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RalphoR · 07-20-2018, 03:12 AM

Any chance one of them is 2.1?

JohnAV · 07-20-2018, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RalphoR

Any chance one of them is 2.1?

Not a chance.

Aidenag · 07-20-2018, 06:48 AM

specs seem nice, but not enough to warrant that price point for me at least. Oppo 203 is/was my topping off point. nothing this will do(that i need), that a player half it's price won't do just as well. Am glad to see high end players still being released though. physical media ain't dead yet!

RalphoR · 07-21-2018, 12:20 AM

If you're an owner of an OPPO 203/205 or a Cambridge CXUHD is there anything about this new Pioneer (or the new Panasonic) that screams you have to upgrade? Is it just a lateral move?

Robert Zohn · 07-21-2018, 12:27 AM

The big new feature on Panasonic's UB820 and UB9000 is the exclusive HDR Optimizer.

Panasonic's HDR Optimizer tone maps the PQ curve of HDR10 content from streaming or a BD to match your display's peak luminance capability. The advantage is you get to see the full dynamic range of your HDR content without clipping the brightest image areas.

JohnAV · 07-21-2018, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RalphoR

If you're an owner of an OPPO 203/205 or a Cambridge CXUHD is there anything about this new Pioneer (or the new Panasonic) that screams you have to upgrade? Is it just a lateral move?

We have scant details. I suspect you are paying more for about the same technology. But that's why Pioneer had a tough time earlier with Oppo.
Now that you got Panasonic trying to pitch a non-universal player with some audiophile features I suspect Pioneer sees an opening to enter the marketplace with something more towards that design goal replacing the older BDP-88FD as seen on https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/P...e/Blu-ray-Disc.

Robert is happy to get both vendors I imagine.

Robert Zohn · 07-21-2018, 01:48 AM

I can tell you with 100% confidence that Panasonic's HDR Optimizer works beautifully with all types of TVs and projectors to maintain the full tonal range of HDR10 content. It gently rolls off the peak luminance maintaining the full color volume and details across the HDR tonal range.

I know this because I have personally tested the UB820 and UB9000 with all of the 2018 premium TVs and several projectors.

Here's a Youtube video with Panasonic's chief engineer of the BD group explaining how the Chroma processing and HDR Optimizer works.

This is a new and exclusive feature that Panasonic developed and will launch in the USA by the end of next week.

In full disclosure, my company was selected as Panasonic's exclusive launch partner for the USA on the UB820 and UB9000.

I am also excited to see Pioneer's Elite UBP-LX500 premium Universal BD player that is scheduled to ship in the USA early October. The LX500 wil not have the HDR Optimizer feature, but is a universal player.

JohnAV · 07-21-2018, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I can tell you with 100% confidence that Panasonic's HDR Optimizer works beautifully with all types of TVs and projectors to maintain the full tonal range of HDR10 content. It gently rolls off the peak luminance maintaining the full color volume and details across the HDR tonal range.

I realize Panasonic wants to capitalize on the HDR optimizer marketing but you can't make that the definite reason for a UHD BD player except in certain situations.

Robert Zohn · 07-21-2018, 02:32 AM

I've tested it on LG and Sony OLED TVs, several Sony, LG and Samsung LCD TVs and a few projectors with excellent results every time. No other BD player was able to perform as well with HDR10 content on every TV. One example is seeing the gradual smooth transition of the bright sky with all of the detail that the sky looks like in real life.

I've done this demo with many folks who have stopped into our showroom to see our engineering production UB820 and UB9000 in person.

Now it's true that I have not tested it with every HDR capable TV and projector so I can't make claims it will give this high performance on ever HDR TV. But this a new revolutionary feature for the video enthusiast and movie loving community.

Sorry to be discussing this on the Pioneer thread. So let's move any further comments to the UB820 and or UB9000 threads.

RalphoR · 07-21-2018, 03:39 AM

So the major benefit of the Pioneer is it will be the only high-end universal player.

Robert Zohn · 07-21-2018, 01:07 PM

Yes.

SeeMoreDigital · 07-21-2018, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RalphoR

So the major benefit of the Pioneer is it will be the only high-end universal player.

Indeed... But sadly this player does not offer multi-channel analogue outputs

Robert Zohn · 07-21-2018, 02:06 PM

Pioneer's Elite UDP-LX500 has 2-channel RCA analog audio outputs.

Robert Zohn · 07-21-2018, 03:57 PM

Just confirmed Pioneer's UDP-LX500 will be Dolby Vision Profile 5 low latency capable.

Sony X1 Extreme equipped TV owners get more UHD/HDR BD player choices!

JohnAV · 07-21-2018, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Pioneer's Elite UDP-LX500 has 7.1 RCA analog audio outputs.

I think this refutes that.

From Skylinestar (AVS) post

There is discussion of an UDP-LX800 also on the web several sites, nothing yet on it. That is likely the Analog 7.1 model.

Robert Zohn · 07-21-2018, 04:23 PM

Just checked my notes and they say 7.1 analog audio outs via RCA connectors. I'll send an email to my contacts and get back once they confirm if the final mass production LX5000 will be 2 channel or 7.1 channel analog audio outputs.

From what you show it looks like only 2 channel analog out.

Robert Zohn · 07-21-2018, 04:58 PM

JohnAV, is correct, just reconfirmed the UPD-LX500 has 2 RCA analog audio outputs, not 7.1. Sorry my original information was incorrect. Nice to see Japan works on Saturday.

SeeMoreDigital · 07-21-2018, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

JohnAV, is correct, just reconfirmed the UPD-LX500 has 2 RCA analog audio outputs, not 7.1. Sorry my original information was incorrect. Nice to see Japan works on Saturday.

Shame

JohnAV · 07-21-2018, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

JohnAV, is correct, just reconfirmed the UPD-LX500 has 2 RCA analog audio outputs, not 7.1. Sorry my original information was incorrect. Nice to see Japan works on Saturday.

Clearly by this mid June image from a rumor site states Pioneer was making a two tier product line as before with intended competition targets.

gkolb · 07-21-2018, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAV

Clearly by this mid June image from a rumor site states Pioneer was making a two tier product line as before with intended competition targets.

Nice to see competition on feature sets, but price points on the two levels significantly higher than Oppo prices. Oppo 203 $549, Pioneer LX500 $999.

07-21-2018, 02:32 AM	#49
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	I've tested it on LG and Sony OLED TVs, several Sony, LG and Samsung LCD TVs and a few projectors with excellent results every time. No other BD player was able to perform as well with HDR10 content on every TV. One example is seeing the gradual smooth transition of the bright sky with all of the detail that the sky looks like in real life. I've done this demo with many folks who have stopped into our showroom to see our engineering production UB820 and UB9000 in person. Now it's true that I have not tested it with every HDR capable TV and projector so I can't make claims it will give this high performance on ever HDR TV. But this a new revolutionary feature for the video enthusiast and movie loving community. Sorry to be discussing this on the Pioneer thread. So let's move any further comments to the UB820 and or UB9000 threads. Last edited by Robert Zohn; 07-21-2018 at 02:36 AM.

07-21-2018, 02:06 PM	#53
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Pioneer's Elite UDP-LX500 has 2-channel RCA analog audio outputs. Last edited by Robert Zohn; 07-21-2018 at 04:56 PM. Reason: Corrected the spec to 2-channel audio out

07-20-2018, 03:12 AM	#41
RalphoR Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Oct 2013 Location:The Forbidden Valley of NE Ohio Trading Score:13	Any chance one of them is 2.1?

07-20-2018, 06:48 AM	#43
Aidenag Expert Member Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Seattle 4K collection:53 Blu-ray collection:775 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:25	specs seem nice, but not enough to warrant that price point for me at least. Oppo 203 is/was my topping off point. nothing this will do(that i need), that a player half it's price won't do just as well. Am glad to see high end players still being released though. physical media ain't dead yet!

07-21-2018, 12:20 AM	#44
RalphoR Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Oct 2013 Location:The Forbidden Valley of NE Ohio Trading Score:13	If you're an owner of an OPPO 203/205 or a Cambridge CXUHD is there anything about this new Pioneer (or the new Panasonic) that screams you have to upgrade? Is it just a lateral move?

07-21-2018, 12:27 AM	#45
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	The big new feature on Panasonic's UB820 and UB9000 is the exclusive HDR Optimizer. Panasonic's HDR Optimizer tone maps the PQ curve of HDR10 content from streaming or a BD to match your display's peak luminance capability. The advantage is you get to see the full dynamic range of your HDR content without clipping the brightest image areas.

07-21-2018, 03:39 AM	#50
RalphoR Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Oct 2013 Location:The Forbidden Valley of NE Ohio Trading Score:13	So the major benefit of the Pioneer is it will be the only high-end universal player.

07-21-2018, 01:07 PM	#51
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Yes.

07-21-2018, 03:57 PM	#54
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Just confirmed Pioneer's UDP-LX500 will be Dolby Vision Profile 5 low latency capable. Sony X1 Extreme equipped TV owners get more UHD/HDR BD player choices!

07-21-2018, 04:23 PM	#56
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Just checked my notes and they say 7.1 analog audio outs via RCA connectors. I'll send an email to my contacts and get back once they confirm if the final mass production LX5000 will be 2 channel or 7.1 channel analog audio outputs. From what you show it looks like only 2 channel analog out.

07-21-2018, 04:58 PM	#57
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	JohnAV, is correct, just reconfirmed the UPD-LX500 has 2 RCA analog audio outputs, not 7.1. Sorry my original information was incorrect. Nice to see Japan works on Saturday.

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