Is Black Panther better than The Winter Soldier?

[jacobsever]

So funny how many people hate Black Panther now...when it broke multiple box office records and was widely regarded as one of the best.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

One is thought of as overrated by the general audience. The other overrated by the more hardcore comic fans.

Honest question: which one is which?

I would add to my previous post that I think CGI brings both movies down. WS would maybe be my #1 in the MCU, but the overly CG finale always kinda loses me. Same goes for BP, but the poor CG there lasts throughout so maybe I just adjust to it before the rhinos show up lol. I don’t think bad CG is enough to ruin an otherwise good/very good movie, but Marvel/Disney really do need to pay more attention to it. But I get that people will show up regardless, so the studios have no incentive to rectify anything (and BP getting a VFX nomination would NOT help). I think WS got nominated IIRC, but in that movie’s case it wasn’t so much that the CG was bad, I just didn’t like how it goes from relatively grounded and serious to full-on CBM in the last 20 minutes.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by jacobsever

So funny how many people hate Black Panther now...when it broke multiple box office records and was widely regarded as one of the best.

It’s en Vogue.

[Juels Winnfield]

[avs commenter]

Darkstream is definitely triggered by BP for some reason

[The Debts]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Black Panther relies on really bad CGI for its action scenes and ruins the whole movie with an animated finale the likes of which has not been seen since the first X-Men film eighteen years ago.

Also Black Panther in Civil War > Black Panther in Black Panther.

I will admit that the CG is wonky and the final battle should have been cut down from The Phantom Menace-esque three way battle to a much more singular fight between Kilmonger and T'Challa because I felt there was much more emotional weight there but the final scene between the two of them and the words the former says before he keels over are genuinely affecting. Plus hearing Baaba Maal in anything is more than enough to give it a pass.

[Hucksta G]

I don’t think so

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by jacobsever

So funny how many people hate Black Panther now...when it broke multiple box office records and was widely regarded as one of the best.

Well, I've never hated it, I just have a balanced criticism of it as opposed to most who gush about it like it's one of the greatest comic book superheros movie ever. It's a really good movie, I'd even say a potentially great movie that was tainted with a terrible finale. My harshness stems from the fact that people have overhyped the film. And while I do enjoy the movie, it is only to a certain degree. After seeing movies like Creed and CA: Civil War, there's no reason why Coogler and Marvel Studios could not have had a great one-on-one full blown physical hand to hand fight between t'Challa and Kilmonger, much like Tony, Cap, and Bucky had at the end of Civil War. But instead we got a cartoon of two cats jumping around and scenes of rhinos running all over the place. Weak sauce.

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Darkstream is definitely triggered by BP for some reason

If I am, it's for the same reason I get triggered over Wonder Woman. People love these movies for what they represent and their importance -- I totally get that, but anyone that has a sound criticism against the films on a filmmaking level, and doesn't agree that these films are not as great as a majority of people have made them out to be, seems to often get viewed as a racist or misogynist. The truth of the matter is, I just don't think they're all that great compared to a lot of other superhero movies.

[imsounoriginal]

They already fight hand-to-hand with minimal CGI during the waterfall sequence. I have no issue with them fighting in the Panther suits, it just needed to not look like an N64 cutscene.

[levcore]

Originally Posted by mrjeff

Pardon me sir, I think you mean IRON MAN THREE.

Yes I absolutely did!

[Gacivory]

Why? What’s the point of this? I like both for different reasons!

[Foggy]

I like Black Panther more than Winter Solider, I thought Winter Soldier was a bit pedestrian honestly.

[imsounoriginal]

There’s a good chance the Nick Fury car chase in WS is my favorite MCU action scene. It’s definitely up there.

[Juels Winnfield]

Some of the forum's preferences:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=15438171

[spanky87]

I don’t understand why Marvel fans are so upset aboht Black Panther being in the Oscar race. Who cares if you prefer other films in the franchise, just enjoy the ****ing ride. This is the comic book genre getting rare awards recognition. It may break the stigma and pave the way for future CBMs to do the same.

[Mandalorian]

Read the room. This forum hasn’t been very friendly to Black Panther in any of the other Marvel threads, so you didn’t even have to ask to know what the answer would be.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Juels Winnfield

Some of the forum's preferences:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=15438171

Hmmm, I must have missed that poll. But seriously, Avengers: Infinity War as #1?

Wow. Must be because it's still new. Let's see how that stands in a few years. I love the movie, but I think the six movies listed directly after it are better.

[spanky87]

Black Panther > Lady Bird

[aspberger]

Not even close...Winter Soldier.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Juels Winnfield

Some of the forum's preferences:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=15438171

I think my ranking has already changed since I voted in this poll lmao:

---Amazeballs---
1. Captain America: The First Avenger
2. Captain America: Civil War
3. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
4. Avengers: Infinity War
5. Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2
6. Iron Man
---Very Good---
7. Guardians of the Galaxy
8. Doctor Strange
9. Avengers: Age of Ultron
10. Black Panther
---Solid---
11. Spider-Man: Homecoming
12. Ant-Man and the Wasp
13. Ant-Man
14. The Avengers
15. The Incredible Hulk
16. Iron Man 3
17. Thor
---Meh---
18. Thor: The Dark World
19. Iron Man 2
20. Thor: Ragnarok