When will DVD production stop? - Page 3 - Blu-ray Forum

Spotty · 03-07-2019, 03:24 AM

I think a lot of people are spot on when they say many computers don't have blu-ray players.

Also, DVDs just work. I mean something like 30% of the US doesn't even have access to high speed internet....having to constantly update your bluray players so it will play the latest copy protected discs in rural areas or in the car etc can be a real hassle.

Lastly, so many TV shows are trapped in SD resolution...and I believe TV shows are a major disc seller.

Moonlight Shadow · 03-07-2019, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I have never updated any of my Blu-ray players and I have never encountered a Blu-ray disc that wouldn't play. That includes Ultra HD Blu-ray players and discs as well.

This.
I have probably played more than a thousand Blu-rays on my various players and to this day I have never performed a firmware update on any of them.

I DID have to update the firmware on my DVD player in the early days though

Slob · 03-07-2019, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I have never updated any of my Blu-ray players and I have never encountered a Blu-ray disc that wouldn't play. That includes Ultra HD Blu-ray players and discs as well.

I was forced to update one time only. Avengers Infinity War. The disc loaded. The first screen is where you choose language. The background image of destruction was there but none of the text. Plus the player had froze and I had to unplug it. Tried a second time, same thing.
I went ahead and ran the update. Third try the text came up. Chose ENGLISH. Worked fine after that.

The Great Escape · 03-07-2019, 11:36 AM

My humble opinion is that we are the small market not DVD's. Everybody who is a member of this forum is crazy about movies which is really cool but I think a large number of the people in the world are not. They just like to pop in a movie and unless it looks like crap they will fine with the picture and sound.

Also if you go to a Thrift store like Goodwill, Salavation Army or your local store like that you can pick up DVD's really cheap for $2 or $3

Keep in my mind a lot of people don't have a lot of extra $$$ around to spend.

mrveggieman · 03-07-2019, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great Escape

My humble opinion is that we are the small market not DVD's. Everybody who is a member of this forum is crazy about movies which is really cool but I think a large number of the people in the world are not. They just like to pop in a movie and unless it looks like crap they will fine with the picture and sound.

Also if you go to a Thrift store like Goodwill, Salavation Army or your local store like that you can pick up DVD's really cheap for $2 or $3

Keep in my mind a lot of people don't have a lot of extra $$$ around to spend.

That is exactly what I do. I also use ebay, pawn shops and I stay looking in the bargain bin for deals on movies. Regardless of it's a DVD, blu ray or video game I refuse to pay more than $5 for it.

andyman1970 · 03-07-2019, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I have never updated any of my Blu-ray players and I have never encountered a Blu-ray disc that wouldn't play. That includes Ultra HD Blu-ray players and discs as well.

I used to have a Panasonic Blu-ray player that was discontinued and about 3 years ago Panasonic stopped all firmware updates on the model. Then about a year and half ago it quit playing all Blu-ray disc's, even older ones that used to work fine but still played DVD and CD's just fine.

Spotty · 03-08-2019, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I have never updated any of my Blu-ray players and I have never encountered a Blu-ray disc that wouldn't play. That includes Ultra HD Blu-ray players and discs as well.

That is very interesting. I am always encountering people (friends, family members, etc.) who cannot play newer releases. They can play older bluray releases just fine, but not new ones. I help them update their firmware to the latest version and poof, all their new discs suddenly work fine.

I always just assumed the latest firmware included the updated AACS certificates to play the latest releases....

Now I wonder what is going on.

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Originally Posted by andyman1970

I used to have a Panasonic Blu-ray player that was discontinued and about 3 years ago Panasonic stopped all firmware updates on the model. Then about a year and half ago it quit playing all Blu-ray disc's, even older ones that used to work fine but still played DVD and CD's just fine.

This sounds like your Blu-ray laser head has burnt out to me. I believe Blu-ray, DVD, CD all have their own laser diodes for playback...so if it won't play Blu-ray discs that it used to be able to play, my guess is hardware failure.

Rob89 · 03-08-2019, 07:05 AM

I predict it'll be the year 2028.

stonesfan129 · 03-07-2019, 11:04 AM

I have had a couple of defective Blu-ray discs that would just crap out at a certain spot. I ended up replacing these. I've never had to update the Blu-ray Player app on my Xbox.

oddbox83 · 03-07-2019, 11:39 AM

The problem with DVD now (and by default Blu-ray and 4K that have followed it but never caught up) was that it boomed, big, after VHS in the era just before streaming and hardly anything went out of print unless it was a Disney model or from a licencee where the licence expired. The icing on the cake was when studios discovered they could sell the same thing all over again by adding a few more extras on a bonus disc. This has left lots of heavily discounted, essentially worthless discs which has directly affected the update of the follow-on formats to the mass public, who, used to paying next to nothing and fatigued by endless double-dips for extras that once quite a special fad are now numerous throwaway commonalities, want the cheap streaming option instead.

Charity shops struggle to sell DVDs for £0.50p in the UK. Many now have handwritten notes up saying "5 for a £1" or even "10 for a £1" just to shift them. While most are the genuinely worthless (by and large Hollywood movies that were the most mass-produced), the lucky can find a rarer title for next to nothing.

So, no, I don't lay the blame solely at streaming for how throwaway physical media has become to the public at large. The physical media market is increasingly just for enthusiasts like ourselves who buy high and rarely sell on.

GRD43L · 03-07-2019, 03:23 PM

1. DVD is still cheaper.
2. There are still working DVD players at home.
3. DVD was a huge 'convenience' improvement over VHS but DVD>BD>UHD are not.
4. Majority of people who buy DVD don't really care about VQ/AQ.

So the working DVD players at home would have to die out before it is replaced by BD.

UHD will get a huge traction with next gen XB & PS.

smithb · 03-07-2019, 03:47 PM

While DVD production stopping would potentially increase the possibility of some DVD only releases going to blu-ray, the stronger likelihood is that many releases that would have come out on DVD, just wouldn't be released at all on physical media.

The reality is that there are many pre-existing masters that can be dumped to DVD with little effort (especially within TV shows) and that fits the business model. The cost, in many cases, to prepare up-to-date HD masters just doesn't have the return on investment to warrant a blu-ray release.

In addition, many studios aren't ready to go the discount route on blu-ray. So when they have tried that route the cost model didn't work. Especially, when a consumer can purchase a full series on DVD (originally released years earlier) for the cost of one season on blu-ray. Even though the DVD season may have originally been priced similarly to a new blu-ray release now, the discounted price years later makes it hard for many consumers to swallow.

filmo70 · 03-10-2019, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GRD43L

So the working DVD players at home would have to die out before it is replaced by BD.

Problem there is that blu-ray players can play DVD's.

smithb · 03-07-2019, 04:11 PM

Curious, for those stating they have never updated the firmware on their blu-ray player, do you have it connected wirelessly to the internet? If so, it is possible you received them automatically.

PenguinInfinity · 03-07-2019, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by smithb

Curious, for those stating they have never updated the firmware on their blu-ray player, do you have it connected wirelessly to the internet? If so, it is possible you received them automatically.

No, I have never connected any of my Blu-ray players to the internet.

JEDGAR1000 · 03-08-2019, 07:10 AM

In case anyone hasn't posted relevant data regarding sales yet here

thecalm_7 · 03-08-2019, 08:54 AM

I don’t know that DVD will just disappear like vhs. Weekly we still have numerous new releases dropping on DVD only which is unfortunate. I truly feel that DVD should be dropped from solo releases and if a movie is given a release, a Blu-Ray/DVD or 4K/Blu-Ray combo should be the choices.
DVD does still have worth. Many taped TV shows can only be upscaled (classic Doctor Who) and for the most part, DVD is good, Blu-Ray is mainly more disc content.
My biggest issue with DVDs continued release is TV shows. Highly disappointing for HBO/Showtime/FX/Fox yo constantly pump out DVDs vs a Blu release. Yet they re-release numerous times Game of Thrones on Blu. Its HD Era, why backtrack the visual quality. So disappointing. HBO movies have been getting only DVD releases lately and we know full well they were made in HD or film which could be 4K.
I hate to suggest things again from the auto industry but streamline it. Less options, but higher quality options. No more basic, give what is expected and more. At this point, let the tech stranglers get left behind or make them advance vs holding back the tech.

Nitroboy · 03-08-2019, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JEDGAR1000

In case anyone hasn't posted relevant data regarding sales yet here

Does anyone have any volume numbers to go with this? Percentages are nice, but I'm slightly more interested in actual sales numbers

Canada · 03-11-2019, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JEDGAR1000

In case anyone hasn't posted relevant data regarding sales yet here

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Originally Posted by Nitroboy

Does anyone have any volume numbers to go with this? Percentages are nice, but I'm slightly more interested in actual sales numbers

Sales # won't change the fact that DVD sold more the Blu-ray and UHD combined.

Nitroboy · 03-11-2019, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Canada

Sales # won't change the fact that DVD sold more the Blu-ray and UHD combined.

I know that, but sale numbers interest me more than just percentages.

03-07-2019, 03:24 AM	#1
Spotty Active Member Member since:Mar 2017 Trading Score:3	I think a lot of people are spot on when they say many computers don't have blu-ray players. Also, DVDs just work. I mean something like 30% of the US doesn't even have access to high speed internet....having to constantly update your bluray players so it will play the latest copy protected discs in rural areas or in the car etc can be a real hassle. Lastly, so many TV shows are trapped in SD resolution...and I believe TV shows are a major disc seller. Last edited by Spotty; 03-07-2019 at 03:28 AM.

03-07-2019, 11:39 AM	#10
oddbox83 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Sep 2013 Location:UK	The problem with DVD now (and by default Blu-ray and 4K that have followed it but never caught up) was that it boomed, big, after VHS in the era just before streaming and hardly anything went out of print unless it was a Disney model or from a licencee where the licence expired. The icing on the cake was when studios discovered they could sell the same thing all over again by adding a few more extras on a bonus disc. This has left lots of heavily discounted, essentially worthless discs which has directly affected the update of the follow-on formats to the mass public, who, used to paying next to nothing and fatigued by endless double-dips for extras that once quite a special fad are now numerous throwaway commonalities, want the cheap streaming option instead. Charity shops struggle to sell DVDs for £0.50p in the UK. Many now have handwritten notes up saying "5 for a £1" or even "10 for a £1" just to shift them. While most are the genuinely worthless (by and large Hollywood movies that were the most mass-produced), the lucky can find a rarer title for next to nothing. So, no, I don't lay the blame solely at streaming for how throwaway physical media has become to the public at large. The physical media market is increasingly just for enthusiasts like ourselves who buy high and rarely sell on. Last edited by oddbox83; 03-07-2019 at 11:48 AM.

03-07-2019, 11:36 AM	#4
The Great Escape Special Member Member since:Aug 2014 4K collection:188 Blu-ray collection:870 DVD collection:86 MA collection:228 Digital collection:137 iTunes collection:255 Trading Score:2	My humble opinion is that we are the small market not DVD's. Everybody who is a member of this forum is crazy about movies which is really cool but I think a large number of the people in the world are not. They just like to pop in a movie and unless it looks like crap they will fine with the picture and sound. Also if you go to a Thrift store like Goodwill, Salavation Army or your local store like that you can pick up DVD's really cheap for $2 or $3 Keep in my mind a lot of people don't have a lot of extra $$$ around to spend.

03-08-2019, 07:05 AM	#8
Rob89 Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Scotland Blu-ray collection:253 DVD collection:66	I predict it'll be the year 2028.

03-07-2019, 11:04 AM	#9
stonesfan129 Special Member Member since:Jun 2016 Location:Wisconsin Blu-ray collection:122 DVD collection:10 Trading Score:2	I have had a couple of defective Blu-ray discs that would just crap out at a certain spot. I ended up replacing these. I've never had to update the Blu-ray Player app on my Xbox.

03-07-2019, 03:23 PM	#11
GRD43L Power Member Top contributor Member since:Sep 2018 Location:Region A 4K collection:29 Blu-ray collection:253 Blu-ray reviews:4	1. DVD is still cheaper. 2. There are still working DVD players at home. 3. DVD was a huge 'convenience' improvement over VHS but DVD>BD>UHD are not. 4. Majority of people who buy DVD don't really care about VQ/AQ. So the working DVD players at home would have to die out before it is replaced by BD. UHD will get a huge traction with next gen XB & PS.

03-07-2019, 03:47 PM	#12
smithb Power Member Member since:Oct 2010	While DVD production stopping would potentially increase the possibility of some DVD only releases going to blu-ray, the stronger likelihood is that many releases that would have come out on DVD, just wouldn't be released at all on physical media. The reality is that there are many pre-existing masters that can be dumped to DVD with little effort (especially within TV shows) and that fits the business model. The cost, in many cases, to prepare up-to-date HD masters just doesn't have the return on investment to warrant a blu-ray release. In addition, many studios aren't ready to go the discount route on blu-ray. So when they have tried that route the cost model didn't work. Especially, when a consumer can purchase a full series on DVD (originally released years earlier) for the cost of one season on blu-ray. Even though the DVD season may have originally been priced similarly to a new blu-ray release now, the discounted price years later makes it hard for many consumers to swallow.

03-07-2019, 04:11 PM	#14
smithb Power Member Member since:Oct 2010	Curious, for those stating they have never updated the firmware on their blu-ray player, do you have it connected wirelessly to the internet? If so, it is possible you received them automatically.

03-08-2019, 07:10 AM	#16
JEDGAR1000 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Aug 2017 Location:California 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:-	In case anyone hasn't posted relevant data regarding sales yet here

03-08-2019, 08:54 AM	#17
thecalm_7 Power Member Top contributor Member since:Apr 2011 Location:The Gulf 4K collection:946 Blu-ray collection:6017 DVD collection:859 iTunes collection:2 Trading Score:126	I don’t know that DVD will just disappear like vhs. Weekly we still have numerous new releases dropping on DVD only which is unfortunate. I truly feel that DVD should be dropped from solo releases and if a movie is given a release, a Blu-Ray/DVD or 4K/Blu-Ray combo should be the choices. DVD does still have worth. Many taped TV shows can only be upscaled (classic Doctor Who) and for the most part, DVD is good, Blu-Ray is mainly more disc content. My biggest issue with DVDs continued release is TV shows. Highly disappointing for HBO/Showtime/FX/Fox yo constantly pump out DVDs vs a Blu release. Yet they re-release numerous times Game of Thrones on Blu. Its HD Era, why backtrack the visual quality. So disappointing. HBO movies have been getting only DVD releases lately and we know full well they were made in HD or film which could be 4K. I hate to suggest things again from the auto industry but streamline it. Less options, but higher quality options. No more basic, give what is expected and more. At this point, let the tech stranglers get left behind or make them advance vs holding back the tech.

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