What "K" will you draw the line at?

[smithb]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Necessary? No. But saying current technology(or past) to be great is wrong. It is not an opinion, it’s not an insinuation, it is fact.

So what you are saying is that anyone that says something is "great" (to them, after all it is just a personal opinion) because it satisfies their needs, they are wrong? They should just say it is "Okay" instead. Here we will just have to agree to disagree, since I believe society has provided some latitude there.

BTW, the definition of "great" is not defined as the best option available (I suppose that would be "greatest"). Sounds like you just have a pet peeve about this usage of "great".

Now who is being denigrating...Anthony P.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by smithb

So what you are saying is that anyone that says something is "great" (to them, after all it is just a personal opinion) because it satisfies their needs, they are wrong? They should just say it is "Okay" instead. Here we will just have to agree to disagree, since I believe society has provided some latitude there.

BTW, the definition of "great" is not defined as the best option available (I suppose that would be "greatest"). Sounds like you just have a pet peeve about this usage of "great".

Now who is being denigrating...Anthony P.

Even though I don't fully agree with either of you I don't see where he is denigrating anyone in that quote. He should be allowed his opinion just as much as you are

As for me on the subject let me go with an analogy

there is a class and an exam, let's say the top student got 62% I can see why someone would say that is not great (here 60% is needed to pass so the person barely passed) since in absolutes that person is right, I can also see how someone could say " since he has the greatest mark in his class then by default it means the student did great". On the other hand the student that got 10% and did the worst I can't agree that him saying he did great makes any sense even if it is his opinion.

He is right, for the most part, consumer grade video quality is very far from how good it can look, so I can see why e has a hard time of accepting the term great, but IF we are talking about the best available I don't have an issue calling it great as long as we know it is relative and in the future things can be greater.

[Jegærn]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

I’m not insinuating anything. Actually it is a fact that most don’t realize that by saying whatever format they are satisfied being considered as “great”, they are missing in the improvements the future will bring.

It’s not so much of the “k” but it’s the surrounding tech that the additional “k” brings to the table.

Just like the current 8K. It is not the K that matters, but one can’t get the high nit panel, better backlighting system and upscaling engine unless one gets an 8K TV.

Necessary? No. But saying current technology(or past) to be great is wrong. It is not an opinion, it’s not an insinuation, it is fact.

Why should we bother with 4/8k when everything goes online streaming? Doesn't help with a super 8k tv when netflix takes over the movie industri. Compressed crap!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Jegærn

Why should we bother with 4/8k when everything goes online streaming? Doesn't help with a super 8k tv when netflix takes over the movie industri. Compressed crap!

4K displays, and presumably 8K displays- I've yet to see one, work wonders with our existing physical media. Streaming is not so bad on them, either, but I will always much prefer my discs.

Online streaming may be a future, but it is not the only future. I personally will never subscribe to the "what's the use" attitude. I believe that physical media will continue as there are enough of us that care about the best in quality to sustain the market for it. I don't care how niche it may become, so long as it remains. Even if I am guilty of wishful thinking, I prefer that over being fearful or resigned about the future.

I still buy CDs in 2019 and for how many years have I been told that they were a lost cause? The Chicken Littles of the world have been crying "the sky is falling!" forever, but last I looked the firmament is firmly above us.

[Jegærn]

Originally Posted by Vilya

4K displays, and presumably 8K displays- I've yet to see one, work wonders with our existing physical media. Streaming is not so bad on them, either, but I will always much prefer my discs.

Online streaming may be a future, but it is not the only future. I personally will never subscribe to the "what's the use" attitude. I believe that physical media will continue as there are enough of us that care about the best in quality to sustain the market for it. I don't care how niche it may become, so long as it remains. Even if I am guilty of wishful thinking, I prefer that over being fearful or resigned about the future.

I still buy CDs in 2019 and for how many years have I been told that they were a lost cause? The Chicken Littles of the world have been crying "the sky is falling!" forever, but last I looked the firmament is firmly above us.

Yeah some of us still buy physical. I do. I just can't stand the compression on HBO and netflix. It looks aweful on my OLED.

And as many already pointed out, living rooms need to get bigger if 8k res is gonna be visible. I think 4k is the last 'k'

[The_Donster]

As other members have already pointed out, this isn’t about the future of home video. If anyone wants to discuss that give this thread a swing. So let’s take (leave) that particular argument to the appropriate thread.

[sapiendut]

Currently there is no “great” video technology. “Great” is not subjective. All current consumer video are severely lossy. Like I said, until consumers can get frame by frame 13-bit compression with 4:4:4 chroma without the lossy subsampling, it is not great.

Again, that is fact, not opinion.

If you can be happy and satisfied with that, more power to you. But it doesn’t change the fact that the technology is not great.

[wallendo]

It is not likely I will move past 4K. The studios seem to be quite happy with 2K workflows with an occasional 4K. Broadcast television in the US isn't likely to upgrade anytime soon. As it is, many stations sacrifice image quality in order to squeeze in more channels. 8K physical media would require 4 times the current bandwidth, and that is without any further technological improvements. I would rather any increased available bandwidth from future technology be used to improve the 4K image.

I may well upgrade the components of my system. I would be open to improvements in video formats without an increased resolution.

There are obviously people who will flock to 8K sets. I most likely will not be one of them unless true 8K content becomes widely available, and even then I question if added details will really add to the experience. Maybe Japanese 8K broadcasts will wow the world and change my mind

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by wallendo

It is not likely I will move past 4K. The studios seem to be quite happy with 2K workflows with an occasional 4K. Broadcast television in the US isn't likely to upgrade anytime soon. As it is, many stations sacrifice image quality in order to squeeze in more channels. 8K physical media would require 4 times the current bandwidth, and that is without any further technological improvements. I would rather any increased available bandwidth from future technology be used to improve the 4K image.

I may well upgrade the components of my system. I would be open to improvements in video formats without an increased resolution.

There are obviously people who will flock to 8K sets. I most likely will not be one of them unless true 8K content becomes widely available, and even then I question if added details will really add to the experience. Maybe Japanese 8K broadcasts will wow the world and change my mind

8K sets will upscale all resolutions to look better. At least, the good ones will.

Also, if VR and AR displays are ever to become movie watching tech for the mainstream, 8K is very welcome.

[smithb]

Anthony P, we can obviously continue going back and forth counter pointing each other's statements and hypothetical's, but at this point it isn't getting us anywhere. We will just have to agree to disagree on all other points.

As for the question presented by the OP, it was "What K will YOU draw the line at?". I can fully understand engaging in a debate if the terms were "What K SHOULD INDUSTRY draw the line at?" or "What K SHOULD CONSUMERS draw the line at?", because that impacts everyone.

But the question was directed at each individual based on their own unique perspective. For that, my response is standard 2K blu-ray. I neither have to justify it or defend it, it is was it is, my personal stance. Just as anyone else is free to voice their personal choice, free of criticism.

[RFK]

I love the way 1080p looks on my panasonic plasmas, very filmlike.
I'll stay with 1080 bluray.

[Eschenpod]

256k

[The_Donster]

Hell, I think I pay more for gas/sewer/trash than my actual energy bill for a family of 4, but I’m still scratching my head on what this has to do with the topic of the thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Hell, I think I pay more for gas/sewer/trash than my actual energy bill for a family of 4, but I’m still scratching my head on what this has to do with the topic of the thread

It has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Same fear mongering, different thread.

His silly worries gained no traction in the thread where they originated, so he is trying his luck here. I guess the reception that he received in the other thread was not warm enough for him.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Same fear mongering, different thread.

His silly worries gained no traction in the thread where they originated, so he is trying his luck here. I guess the reception that he received in the other thread was not warm enough for him.

Well, it is actually. It’s the reason I don’t think it will be viable to go past 4K. As I stated in my post. The higher the res, the higher the cost on the climate. I think SD will be called for and small screens.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Well, it is actually. It’s the reason I don’t think it will be viable to go past 4K. As I stated in my post. The higher the res, the higher the cost on the climate. I think SD will be called for and small screens.

Not the question being asked.

Increased power consumption will have a greater impact on our climate if still derived mostly from fossil fuels. Population growth alone will increase power consumption no matter if we have TVs or streaming. Our screens use very little power compared to virtually everything else.

My TV will use the same amount of power no matter what I watch on it.

The question is: "What "K" will you draw the line at" not what "K" will be the last before the wicked government says that you can't have any more K's. The OP is asking what choice we each will make, not what choice might be made for us by the big bad gubbermint.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Well, it is actually. It’s the reason I don’t think it will be viable to go past 4K. As I stated in my post. The higher the res, the higher the cost on the climate. I think SD will be called for and small screens.

that does not make much sense.

Let me ask you this. what do you think has a higher carbon foot print and by how much? a DVD , a BD or a UHD BD?

what takes more gas a truck load of DVDs , BDs or UHD BDs?

[sapiendut]

You know that we can buy 4K physical media right?

[Jegærn]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

You know that we can buy 4K physical media right?

At this moment in time we can. In just a few years we can't.
Are you still then gonna buy that fanzy 8k tv?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Jegærn

At this moment in time we can. In just a few years we can't.
Are you still then gonna buy that fanzy 8k tv?

If you truly have the gift of prophecy, could you be more precise with the exact date? I'd like to be prepared. I have heard that physical media was dying since 2015, maybe even before that, yet somehow I am still able to buy 20-25 titles on disc every month, same now as ever. I don't see that changing because it hasn't changed. Even if it ever happens, I have a fair number already and it will take years to exhaust the supply of what already exists.

Like with 4K TVs today, I will choose from what is offered the next time that I am in the market for one. I will buy the best that I can afford, 8K or otherwise, just like I did the last time. There is no limit to the Ks that I will consider; I reserve judgment until I see them for myself.

Now I must defer to Deputy Fife of the thread police.