Great Movie, Bad Aspect

[BladeRunner2007]

Tim Roth wanting to be Christoph Waltz in The Hateful Eight. Why not cast Waltz in the first place?

[Farerb]

The Two Towers: Faramir inflicting pain on Gollum.
The Return of the King: Gandalf murdering Denethor, who manages to run a few miles while he burns.

Anything to do with the Gargoyles in The Hunchback of Notre Dame, especially A Guy Like You.

That editing error in Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince. Also the Death Eaters attacking the Burrow.

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by farerb

The Return of the King: Gandalf murdering Denethor, who manages to run a few miles while he burns.

What an utterly ridiculous interpretation of that scene. For one thing, Denethor was already hell-bent on burning himself alive, and Gandalf hardly forced him to go jump off the ledge. He may have had a brief moment of clarity when he realized Faramir was still alive, but he was still quite irrevocably mad by that point. Gandalf's actions were manslaughter by way of intentional negligence at worst.

[Farerb]

Originally Posted by Alister_M

What an utterly ridiculous interpretation of that scene. For one thing, Denethor was already hell-bent on burning himself alive, and Gandalf hardly forced him to go jump off the ledge. He may have had a brief moment of clarity when he realized Faramir was still alive, but he was still quite irrevocably mad by that point. Gandalf's actions were manslaughter by way of intentional negligence at worst.

I mean... We can disagree on things and discuss them, but did it make you feel good to insult me? Are you that insecure?

In the end it was Gandalf who pushed him into the fire even if Denethor intended to kill himself.

[TheWildWhelk]

The digital Scorpion King beast in The Mummy Returns. Quite possibly one of the worst aged CGI effects of the last 2 decades.

[CompleteCount]

Originally Posted by TheWildWhelk

The digital Scorpion King beast in The Mummy Returns. Quite possibly one of the worst aged CGI effects of the last 2 decades.

It didn't look great at the time - the effects in the first one hold up better. Given the quality of the GCI and it being at the climax of the movie, the whole sorry affair came across as an end-of-level "boss".

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by farerb

I mean... We can disagree on things and discuss them, but did it make you feel good to insult me? Are you that insecure?

In the end it was Gandalf who pushed him into the fire even if Denethor intended to kill himself.

The initial part of my comment was meant as a bit of light-hearted ribbing. Banter is not a personal attack, sorry if you felt like it was anything beyond that.

Besides, technically it was Shadowfax who kicked Denethor onto the flames, but there's nary a court in any realm that would consider charging a horse with murder

[TheWildWhelk]

Originally Posted by CompleteCount

It didn't look great at the time - the effects in the first one hold up better. Given the quality of the GCI and it being at the climax of the movie, the whole sorry affair came across as an end-of-level "boss".

It was a rush job; ILM never planned on the Scorpion King beast being entirely CG, it was to be a mixture of green screened Dwayne Johnson and a CG body below the waist. It didn't work out, so the whole character was replaced.

[moreorless]

Originally Posted by PipesDonatello

Agreed. I feel this way about all of the dialogue in The Dark Knight, aside from the Joker's "do you want to know how I got these scars?" scenes, and Alfred's speech about the Burmese bandit and how "some men just want to watch the world burn." Everything else is just outdated, generic comic book dialogue.

I think the films have their moments but mostly from the side characters, Bruce himself often doesn't feel like a natural character to me but rather someone playing his part in pushing the plot forward.

That's why I tend to prefer the Russo's MCU, the setting might be larger than life but I felt the characters were more natural, they drove the story rather than the story driving them.

[BladeRunner2007]

John Wick. I get that they were going for the Kurosawa aspect in the final fight, but I never once got the feeling that Viggo could be a possible physical threat to John. So the final fight was really underwhelming.

[CompleteCount]

Originally Posted by TheWildWhelk

It was a rush job; ILM never planned on the Scorpion King beast being entirely CG, it was to be a mixture of green screened Dwayne Johnson and a CG body below the waist. It didn't work out, so the whole character was replaced.

You've probably seen this, but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH1V6CHO1Jk

[Drake2222]

The disastrous casting and inclusion of scenes of Kenneth Branagh’s wife Emma Thompson in Henry V as the princess. A princess who is probably supposed to be around 14-16 years old. Plus the dialogue in those scenes is completely inane and completely out of place in what is essentially a war film.

Boromir getting killed by one super orc in The Lord of the Rings when the whole point in the book was that Boromir was greatly outnumbered by many orcs and died heroically.

Saruman being turned into a ridiculous comic book road runner character covered in bird doo in Lord of the Rings.

Gimli being turned into a comic character with that business of heaving him. Actually maybe I shouldn’t list LOTR stuff as there were too many unnecessary changes from the book for me to consider those films great

Marlon Brando’s overlong bad acting in Apocalypse Now. To be fair he was terrible in Mutiny on the Bounty too but Bounty I wouldn’t consider a great film anyhow

[Monterey Jack]

Originally Posted by TheWildWhelk

The digital Scorpion King beast in The Mummy Returns. Quite possibly one of the worst aged CGI effects of the last 2 decades.

The Mummy Returns was a "great" movie?!

[Monterey Jack]

Originally Posted by farerb

Anything to do with the Gargoyles in The Hunchback of Notre Dame, especially A Guy Like You.

I've never had a problem with the Gargoyles in Disney's Hunchback. I actually find them a lot funnier than Timon & Pumbaa. They have some excellent comic timing and really amusing lines.

[UltraMario9]

The John Wick films have pretty forgettable soundtracks.

[BladeRunner2007]

Originally Posted by UltraMario9

The John Wick films have pretty forgettable soundtracks.

What

[Roonan]

Originally Posted by Monterey Jack

The Mummy Returns was a "great" movie?!

It was. Along with the original, both are great adventure movies.

[murphywmm]

Short Cuts is a great movie with a couple of bad scenes:

The scene where Lily Tomlin accidentally hits the little boy with her car. It's so poorly executed you can't really tell if she actually hit him or not.

Andie McDowell confronting Lyle Lovett in the cake shop. She's supposed to be a housewife from California and all of a sudden she's screaming "Mah son is DAYUD!" like she just stepped off the plantation in Mississippi. Her acting here turns what was supposed to be an emotional scene into something humorous.

[TheWildWhelk]

Originally Posted by Roonan

It was. Along with the original, both are great adventure movies.

Exactly; not every film needs to be Lawrence Of Arabia or Unforgiven. The first 2 Mummy films are trying to fill the 10+ year void created by the lapse in the Indy Jones franchise.

[trevanian]

Originally Posted by Monterey Jack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4i8UYUpAKQ

That's like something out an Asylum movie. And even 23 years ago, it looked horrible. What's supposed to be the nail-biting climax turns into a Laff Riot at the worst possible moment. Die Hard 2 had a terrifyingly realistic plane crash scene seven years earlier, and that used an actual physical model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urxMvwh0X_8

According to a Cinefex article, the DIE HARD 2 crash was originally even more horrific, going on and on with cuts back inside the fuselage as the plane burns and breaks. But they felt they'd never win the audience back from something that extreme (probably right, too.)

The shot-outdoors plane stuff ILM did here and in ALWAYS was really strong stuff, showing they weren't just motion-control guys.