[RUMOR] New VC codec prepared as an answer

[unreal1080p]

Originally Posted by Balian

Here you go:

Thanks

[Shadowself]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

That has been started on Engadgethd by a "supposedly" Gamestop vendor, the info coming originally from their Microsoft Rep.
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First, the release of a "VC 2.1 codec". According to that same person, this codec allows such a compression boost that, when compared to curent gen codec, you can have 50 Gb down to 18Gb, with the same visual quality or better (2.77 ratio). Also, according to him, this "magical" codec is so advanced and sophisticated, that current machines can decode it -faster- than VC1, allowing faster loading, and faster parsing through pictures.

So this is a factor of 2.77 beyond the already 30 to 75+ compression factor already in use (i.e., 83 to 200+ compression factor giving as little as 0.1 bits per pixel per frame)?
I rank this right up there with Amir and Hmurch claiming that VC-1 at can be hand tweaked to make 9 Mbps, on average, indistinguishable from the 1080p master.

Originally Posted by kjack

Good point, forgot about that. Plus, as I recall, SMPTE already used "VC-2", "VC-3", etc. for other video codecs being submitted for standards consideration, that had nothing to do with VC-1 or Microsoft.

The only new technology of which I am aware is based upon MCTF (motion compensated temporal filtering) and to my knowledge Microsoft holds none of the patents on that. Besides, it will not give a factor of 2.77 beyond H.264 AVC.

Kjack: Are either of the proposed VC-2 or VC-3, etc. variants based upon SVC? That could be a logical next step, but it won't be anywhere near the improvement this article is claiming.

[BluOgre]

Honestly if there was ANY truth to this MS and Toshiba would be yelling it from the rooftops at this point. They need ANY good news to come out.

That's why this is wishful thinking by HD-DVD fans who just can't let go. I like the whole "I work at gamestop and MS told us the good news" rofl. It's funny how some people just believe this because they are hoping/praying for a hailmary pass that is never going to show up.

Retailers need to drop HD-DVD and make a statement starting Feb 1st. A public announcment from Target, Best Buy, CC, and Wal-mart would be the death of HD-DVD. Obviously Toshiba is not going to pull the plug on their braindead product so the retailers need to do it.

[Icemage]

Since no one has posted it yet...

[BluOgre]

Originally Posted by Shadowself

Kjack: Are either of the proposed VC-2 or VC-3, etc. variants based upon SVC? That could be a logical next step, but it won't be anywhere near the improvement this article is claiming.

I don't think this can even be called an "article".......I mean a random nobody posting how he works for gamestop and his "MS rep" told him something no one has ever heard of is just a little out there (definetly not an article)

[radagast]

Why is it when some event comes up that hd-dud is involved in, wild speculation ensues. AND it gets wilder with each instance. Next we'll see that Toshiba REALLY has a NEWER format called HD-DVD ULTRA that supports Japan's Ultra High Def system with 22.2 audio.

These people would have come up with ways that the Titanic could have been saved with several buckets.

[Manco]

I remember back in the '70s during the oil crisis all the BS stories of guys that had secretly invented 500 MPG carburetors and would put all the big oil companies out of business. Total hogwash.

Yeah.... a GameStop employee has the lowdown on the big breaking HD story...

[roachxp]

Nothing new VC1 codec has always be getting upraded since release the latest version was used on Bourne Ultimatium HDDVD.

[Hassoon]

So can this new "magical" codec make Warner magically switch back to HD-DVD?

My Bull$#!t sense is tingling like crazy anyway.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Hassoon

So can this new "magical" codec make Warner magically switch back to HD-DVD?

My Bull$#!t sense is tingling like crazy anyway.

Was this supposed to be announced during the Superbowl?

[CptGreedle]

This will be just like the Superbowl if it is even real.
They will hype it up, make it sound like an ultimate attack, and then...
it will end up being slower, and taking up more space, for quality that is exactly the same.

I'm sorry but anything HD DVD can do, Blu-ray can do. Period. Even run this "new" codec. This will do nothing to change the war even if it was true.

[aygie]

Drmpeg mentioned somewhere that VC2 & VC3 are actually already specified, there was a fact PDF somewhere but i can't find it. Might be an idea to ask him in the insider thread.

[PaulGo]

As previously mentioned VC-2 and V-XXX would not be playable on a Blu-ray or HD-DVD player, even Microsoft admitted to this. The only use would be for new video compression technology such as video downloads.

On a side note (nothing to do with VC-2) as an example of how Microsoft loves to spread FUD:

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...osoft-bluffing

[scott1256ca]

Sorry, you are all wrong. This rumour is true. They get the great compression because it was developed by highly advanced aliens, who are also bringing out their own HD DVD player. It's the standard on their planet, so it's sure to catch on here. This will be the death of BD.

[CAB]

I heard they used the new codec on the superbowl ad. They were able to compress it so much that I didn't even see it!

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by kjack

Good point, forgot about that. Plus, as I recall, SMPTE already used "VC-2", "VC-3", etc. for other video codecs being submitted for standards consideration, that had nothing to do with VC-1 or Microsoft.

All along people were worried Microsoft would come out with a WMV10. And I'm pretty sure for their download plans they will be doing just that.

But, I think MS would still want the marketing cache that associating it with VC-1 would offer. So, since VC-n is already in use, that would point to a possible reason why Microsoft would call it VC-2.1

Just a thought.

[181]

Someone working at Gamestop, or even a rep from Microsoft, probably doesn't understand the engineering aspect of computer software or hardware. Sounds like complete hearsay of specifications they didn't understand and unintentionally (or even intentionally) screwed up.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by scott1256ca

Sorry, you are all wrong. This rumour is true. They get the great compression because it was developed by highly advanced aliens, who are also bringing out their own HD DVD player. It's the standard on their planet, so it's sure to catch on here. This will be the death of BD.

Actually the aliens are using microscopic quantum computers in their players.

[MacHaggis]

Originally Posted by ikcizokm

Isn't the current VC codec VC 1? Why would they release a 2.1? Wouldn't the logical version progression be 2.0?

Obviously 2.1 is 0.1 better than 2.0... that's why!

or

2.1 with the new compression algorithm is as big as 2.0? Right?!?...

or

B.S. can be compressed rather efficiently... hence the original argument.



- Bogdan

[reiella]

Thicker compression than current gen, that current gen equipment decodes faster? With same level of loss?

No, sorry, that's taking it up to 11 for BS.