Gamer 4K UHD (2009)

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by trekky76

I don't imply that but, how do you know it's proper HDR grading? I mean it's a small movie in comparison but has there been any announcements before about that release and who approved the grading? Not to mention, why wouldn't such grading make its way onto a disc..

Well, we can use our own eyes and experience to judge if it's a proper HDR grade.

Even the highly rated Pacific Rim has some shady HDR grading. King Kong (2005) everything is jacked up to 11.

Glad that I didn't pre-order.

[MagellanvsHimself]

Is it possible that this disc was published by mistake without Atmos/HDR? Most Lionsgate titles up to this stage have offered that I thought?

[Labor_Unit001]

It certainly seems like a mistake considering the digital versions have Dolby Vision. There's no reason to drop HDR on disc when the grade already exists.

Does the back of the case indicate Dolby Vision/HDR or atmos are supposed to be included?

[Chrisbazz]

I see HDR mentioned in the 4k ULTRA HD section, but no Atmos. The back looks like it was printed on some cheap printer honestly.

[trekky76]

Yeah there's no way I would pay full price for this. I guess it's possible they sent the wrong master for printing. Never underestimate incompetence.

[trevorlj]

Originally Posted by Labor_Unit001

Does the back of the case indicate Dolby Vision/HDR or atmos are supposed to be included?

It's doesn't have the normal HDR logo on the front but it does appear on the back in the generic banner that talks about all the things that 4K discs bring to market (4K, HDR, Wide Color, Immersive Audio).

No mention of Atmos (just 5.1) and technically 5.1 can be "Immersive" or "Multi-Dimensional" so I guess they're good in that regard.

This, The Kid, and Primal all have the same banner that lists HDR as a feature but only Primal has an HDR encode (I tested all 3).

**Edit** Looks like Chris posted a pic! **Edit**

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by Chrisbazz

I see HDR mentioned in the 4k ULTRA HD section, but no Atmos. The back looks like it was printed on some cheap printer honestly.

I can't see why Lionsgate would downgrade the audio from the DTS 7.1 audio on the blu-ray to only DTS 5.1 Master Audio on the 4K UHD release, when their 4K releases always have Dolby Atmos. There must be some kind of mistake.

[Chrisbazz]

Originally Posted by slimdude

I can't see why Lionsgate would downgrade the audio from the DTS 7.1 audio on the blu-ray to only DTS 5.1 Master Audio on the 4K UHD release, when their 4K releases always have Dolby Atmos. There must be some kind of mistake.

I hope you're right and it's a mistake, but I guess we'll have to wait and see if Lionsgate comments on it.

[GoCeltics]

I wonder if the digital copy included has HDR? I would imagine not.

[D00mM4r1n3]

Originally Posted by GoCeltics

I wonder if the digital copy included has HDR? I would imagine not.

According to Vudu the digital copy has HDR10 and DV, but only 5.1 audio like the disc.

[rco133]

Never seen transfer bt2020-10 being used before.

SDR is usually using BT709.

This one is using bt2020-10 though.

But, guess thats still SDR, since smpte2084 must be used for HDR (as I understand it).

Wonder if this is an error in the mastering.

[Sky_Captain]

If only Lionsgate had an insider on here....

[andreasy969]

What if there is no HDR grade and 7.1 was an upmix? I mean digital being DV is nice, but what does it actually look like? Pacific Rim, SDR in HDR or proper HDR?

I don't have mine yet and won't be able to compare it with the BD, since I have none, but last time I checked non-HDR-4K still beat the BD and with Lionsgate in particular I'd hope for banding being gone. Compression issues comments re. The Kid, which I also don't have yet, don't have me overly optimistic though...

I don't see Lionsgate fixing anything at any rate and if there are pq instead of specs issues indeed, I'll also stay away from future Lionsgate MOD releases - I went for this one and The Kid.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by andreasy969

What if there is no HDR grade and 7.1 was an upmix? I mean digital being DV is nice, but what does it actually look like? Pacific Rim, SDR in HDR or proper HDR?

I don't have mine yet and won't be able to compare it with the BD, since I have none, but last time I checked non-HDR-4K still beat the BD and with Lionsgate in particular I'd hope for banding being gone. Compression issues comments re. The Kid, which I also don't have yet, don't have me overly optimistic though...

I don't see Lionsgate fixing anything at any rate and if there are pq instead of specs issues indeed, I'll also stay away from future Lionsgate MOD releases - I went for this one and The Kid.

I don't have the BD or a HD version to compare but the 4K DV on iTunes doesn't look fake to me. I didn't notice anything blown out. I did watch TMNT part 1 live action yesterday and now that had some cooked up HDR but still looked nice overall.

Pacific Rim DV on iTunes/MA still looks better than HDR10 on the disc w.r. to HDR presentation.

[andreasy969]

Just took a look at the BD caps and maybe someone can take a look at this:
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...76&position=18

on digital. If there's more detail with the clouds, I think it's safe to say it's proper HDR, if there isn't, I'd call fake HDR.

Anyway, I guess I'll compare it with some BD caps at any rate when I have mine.

EDIT: Oh, and looking at all the BD releases, 7.1 just being an upmix will seem rather likely to me.

[Pieter V]

Disc Size: 70,053,781,920 bytes
Protection: AACS2
Extras: Ultra HD
BDInfo: 0.7.5.9

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00001.MPLS
Length: 1:34:44.720 (h:m:s.ms)
Size: 47,062,241,280 bytes
Total Bitrate: 66.23 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-H HEVC Video 59000 kbps 2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / SDR / BT.2020

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 3892 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 3892 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 26.718 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 19.654 kbps

[andreasy969]

This really has to be the first SDR BT.2020 release.

Whether that's an error or a feature and a proper representation of the source, we'll never know I guess.

[unberechenbar]

Originally Posted by andreasy969

This really has to be the first SDR BT.2020 release.

Whether that's an error or a feature and a proper representation of the source, we'll never know I guess.

Does that mean this has WCG? Interesting that The Kid is in BT709.

[andreasy969]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

Does that mean this has WCG? Interesting that The Kid is in BT709.

It means it might have, yes. 2020 is still only a container if you want, but it might come with actuall P3 colours then for example (while I doubt real 2020 range unless it comes with teal and lobster push TM).

[Hedrox]

Originally Posted by andreasy969

EDIT: Oh, and looking at all the BD releases, 7.1 just being an upmix will seem rather likely to me.

Isn't it a known fact that Lionsgate upmixed a lot of their early BDs to either 6.1 or 7.1 just for the hell of it.
Pre-2010 7.1 mixes were quite rare, yet most LG titles from that time have them.