Not many films to encourage upgrading to BD!

[Dana]

Well the growing list of HD cable/satellite channels are growing. I have yet to upgrade my cable, and am only viewing 3 local channels, but the sports games and certain shows alone makes it worth it. BD is just another incentive, on top of cable to jump in.

It will hit mainstream, and is well on it's way with several hundred movies already available, you just have to give the studios time to prepare the HUGE movie list that they have. Some studios take their time, but do so to make sure great care gos into the release.

You can wait I guess, and buy it all at once when more titles are released, or you can jump in early and take advantage right now of the titles currently available. You won't regret it, I guarantee it.

[Marcusarilius]

Originally Posted by jdc115

Each has his own tastes, I would hardly call Star Wars, Matrix and Lord of the Rings quality films. If this is what you are waiting for, then don't all the other blockbuster films released fit in your DVD catalog of movies you watch again and again?

Thanks for that. For me personally. Well said. Yes, these are much anticipated films to be sure, but as a film fanatic, I am already enjoying BD far more than I even expected. How many times have you replaced a DVD with a BD and you could swear it was like watching the film for the first time?

That says volumes about the total overall up-grade in PQ and SQ movie watching experience. Thanks blu!

[ben7ben3]

wow, guys...someone with a different opinion than you and you decide to jump on the guy, calling him a troll, telling him in 'other words' that he is stupid.

it's ridiculous.

this guy represents every person in the population who has yet to invest in blu ray. he's not an hd dvd troll, so stop being fanboys and give the guy a listen. seriously.

to the OP: do you have a tube tv now? a cheap tv at least? i think even if you have 500 dvds, a 1080p tv is still a good option. it might be a good idea to invest in that first, watch your dvds on that for a little while longer, and then when you are sure blu ray is a good enough investment for you, jump into that.

[Marcusarilius]

Originally Posted by ben7ben3

wow, guys...someone with a different opinion than you and you decide to jump on the guy, calling him a troll, telling him in 'other words' that he is stupid.

it's ridiculous.

this guy represents every person in the population who has yet to invest in blu ray. he's not an hd dvd troll, so stop being fanboys and give the guy a listen. seriously.

Plus One. Good Call....

[Yeha-Noha]

Now that's a contradiction if I ever seen one, owning 500 DVD movie titles and not one of those is available on Blu-ray Nonsense! Or, if true, what kind of movies are they? Dare to post those titles for all to see?

As a new member with only 3 posts, you got a lot of chutzpah posting that. Many respectable members on this forum have invested thousands of dollars in their BD collections You are in effect telling them that their films have no quality and value!

[OokieSpookie]

What kind of numb nut statement is this?
There are numerous great titles and just because they are not something that you like does not mean that there are many titles that other people consider must haves.
I love Star Wars and Lord of the Rings more than most but in the great scheme of things they are not be all and end all.
The movie market is not completely made up of pimple popping interweb addicts.

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by ben7ben3

wow, guys...someone with a different opinion than you and you decide to jump on the guy, calling him a troll, telling him in 'other words' that he is stupid.

it's ridiculous.

this guy represents every person in the population who has yet to invest in blu ray. he's not an hd dvd troll, so stop being fanboys and give the guy a listen. seriously.

to the OP: do you have a tube tv now? a cheap tv at least? i think even if you have 500 dvds, a 1080p tv is still a good option. it might be a good idea to invest in that first, watch your dvds on that for a little while longer, and then when you are sure blu ray is a good enough investment for you, jump into that.

Saying that this guy represents everyone who has not invested in blu yet is asinine, no offense.

[davidPS3]

Originally Posted by ben7ben3

wow, guys...someone with a different opinion than you and you decide to jump on the guy, calling him a troll, telling him in 'other words' that he is stupid.

it's ridiculous.

this guy represents every person in the population who has yet to invest in blu ray. he's not an hd dvd troll, so stop being fanboys and give the guy a listen. seriously.

to the OP: do you have a tube tv now? a cheap tv at least? i think even if you have 500 dvds, a 1080p tv is still a good option. it might be a good idea to invest in that first, watch your dvds on that for a little while longer, and then when you are sure blu ray is a good enough investment for you, jump into that.

Ben,

Since it appears you are pointing out my response here, go back and read my response closely. Was I calling him out as a red mole, frankly, yes he "could" be. It is possible, yes, possible that a red team member could sign up on our site and post threads that could blast or cause problems, are you going to deny that? Go back and read his original post and look at it from a Blu Ray Supporter's point of view. I am in no way over the top, but when someone comes on and makes statements and comments as this person did, I had to say something and I usually always keep quite and just shake my head to myself.

Take a stroll down thread lane since Warner went blu exclusive and some of the "new" members and their posts. I think it will or I hope it will explain some of my feelings here.

To finish up, I did state and again, read my response, everyone is entitled to their opinion, he is as I am. You are to.

Enough said on my part.

[thebluemax]

Originally Posted by FEP3108

I think we are being invaded by red trolls

I agree. His statements are rediculous.

[CptGreedle]

No trolls here... just really picky individuals. I am glad that j6p is not this picky or no one would buy Blu-ray.

[Oragustus]

I actually agree with the original poster. I bought my blu-ray player in January of 2007. I bought my hd-dvd player in March of 2007. I watch movies and HD programing on a 115" screen off of a Panasonic AX-100 projector. I have slightly over 1000 dvds. I had well over 400 laser discs back in the day. To date, I have purchased 22 blu-ray discs and 6 hd-dvd discs. Part of this is that I have admittedly become more discerning about what I am willing to re-purchase for the umpteenth time. But a large part of it is that I have not found many movies that I would be willing to re-purchase available in either format. I also admit that I have mainstream tastes. What can I say - I like big blockbuster movies. Guess what? So does the rest of America. Until more of these movies are available, HD Media in all it's formats will continue to be a niche market.

[richieb1971]

Whats the difference between Spiderman and Star Wars? Or Harry Potter and LOTR?

Its got nothing to do with user base whatsoever. Its the copyright holders snobbish and stupid waiting game that does absolutely nothing for the consumer. If these big gun titles came out it would cement down 110% that the format is backed, and those prats upstairs are doing nothing but making people hold back.

If the biggest title on Blu ray was Saw or Dirty Dancing, then yeah I would agree with the OR, but its not. There are tons of mega blockbuster titles out there and many on the way already announced.

And as for price. If 30,000 people are buying HD, then bloody well release 30,000 units, then another 30,000 later on.

If there is a legitimate reason (Which I am well inclined to believe) I hope its something to do with being personally involved with the transfer. We know these guys are busy working on current projects, Which I for one concede is more important than re-re-re-releasing another Indiana Jones or Star Wars movie.

[MasterXeus]

Originally Posted by Tiamat_M

My reason for making these posts is that they are read by policy makers in BD studios who are seeking to balance and optimise their investment return in DVDs and BD. DVDs still represent a greater return.

I merely wish to signal that they need to bolster their introduction of BD titles to encourage people like me. I am holding off moving to BD until I see more titles! I am going to wait until 2009 and review the situation then.

I can understand you wanting your post to be read by the policy makers, but I must say you're statement wasn't very well made. Star Wars, LOTRs, & The Matrix are common moives that are ask about almost everyday here. You need to name some more of those "quality" films you want.

In an an open-minded attempt to address some of the criticism I carefully checked which of the currently release 321 titles in the drama section I would be prepared to purchase over a 6 month period.
came up with 11 titles:

Ok so you went through Drama, what about Sci-fi, action, comedy, etc.. .? How many movies do you need out before you convert to Blu-ray? (movies that you want)

[Ferris]

I have a really hard time thinking the OP is a troll. Personally, I don't "upgrade" any of my SD films to BD unless I really feel they're worth it. "Crimson Tide" is one that I'd upgrade, but not "Dogma." IMHO, I love both films, but I just don't think PQ/AQ matter on a film like "Dogma". It's my opinion.

I converted to Blu-Ray last year (thanks to the PS3 going down $100) because I truly believe it's the next generation player. My wife believes it as well (she works in television).

The OP never said "not one film on Blu-Ray today is worth converting" or anything to that effect. For that person, there just isn't enough. Fine. Films didn't drive my decision to go Blu, the quality did. This person is different...

This is only my opinion, but I don't think we should be slamming anyone against the troll wall just because they've not yet bought into the Blu World. Granted, I would've gone about it a little differently, but their posts do not have me thinking "troll."

[Tiamat_M]

Originally Posted by ben7ben3

wow, guys...someone with a different opinion than you and you decide to jump on the guy, calling him a troll, telling him in 'other words' that he is stupid.

it's ridiculous.

this guy represents every person in the population who has yet to invest in blu ray. he's not an hd dvd troll, so stop being fanboys and give the guy a listen. seriously.

to the OP: do you have a tube tv now? a cheap tv at least? i think even if you have 500 dvds, a 1080p tv is still a good option. it might be a good idea to invest in that first, watch your dvds on that for a little while longer, and then when you are sure blu ray is a good enough investment for you, jump into that.

Hi There,
Many thanks for your suggestion. I think on balance that your suggestion about getting a 1080p screen is probably the way to go before splashing out on a BD player.

To be honest, having read all the posts my original post generated, I can empathise with some of the strong emotions expressed on this forum. I too expressed such views when I prosletysed the use of CDs in the 1970's or DVD's in the 1990's to my friends who would stare at me blankly wondering what sort of geek planet I had been born upon.

I understand the passion and missionary zeal and the continuous need to engage with people/strangers to explain to them what they are missing through their ignorance on the current bleeding edge format or technology. I would also regard myself as being at the leading edge of the second quartile: the early part of the mainstream users.

No one among my peers, of well heeled mid 50 year olds, has any plans to purchase a BD system. In Europe, where I live, there are some BD's available to rent or purchase. However they are commanding a premium at present. Hardware too is commanding premium pricing. I am happy to wait. My store in the city centre boasts nearly 40 BD titles available, impressive but not quite mainstream! There is also the issue of regional coding, which I understand has been carried over from DVDs. This may not be a big issue in the US but it is big everywhere else!

The EU has a population of of 500 million, so it's a big market, however in comparison to some of the comments I've received on this forum we're probably 1 to 2 years behind the US in terms of adoption of BD technology.

I've been accused of being a 'red troll', I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, I surmise that given that the colour code for HD DVD was red, that somehow I was an HD DVD 'plant' I would say 'don't be absurd!'. As to the suggestion that my only interest is viewing porn, I consider puerile.

I have gathered some useful information about the status of Blu-ray and my conclusions are that it is still 'bleeding edge' and expensive for the incremental benefits provided. I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, in particular the enthusiastic proponents of BD. I am happy for them that they can revel and delight in this technology, but it is not for me at this time. I take a fairly pragmatic view of new technologies, and while I stood mesmerised in front of BD store presentations, I still think this has some way to go before it becomes mainstream and prices drop significantly.

I need to see niche/cult films, art-house films and opera available on BD before I would opt for BD. This particularly applies where it makes no sense to purchase BD versions of my existing DVDs if I can watch them in a higher definition by connecting my existing DVD player via an HDMI cable to an 1080p screen, why would would I upgrade for such an incremental benefit?

I believe that investment in market development has to come from the studios. I have a lot less money than the Studios have and I'm not going to make it!

The reason you won't see LOTR or the Matrix on BD for the next 3 years is because of the mentality within the Studios of not moving major IP to new formats until there's critical mass and (more importantly for the Studios) and the opportunity for large profit in repeat license sales (you bought it on VHS and paid royalty, you bought it on DVD, and paid royalty, now move to BD and pay royalty a third time for the same film!). They're not going to sacrifice potentially greater profits in the future for the purpose of converting a few people to BD, they'll keep their powder dry for another few years, I would be surprised to see LOTR, Matrix or Star Wars available in BD format before 2010.

I came to this forum in search of information that would allow me make an informed decision about purchasing a Blu-Ray disk player and 1080p screen.

I respect other peoples choices/decisions regarding personal taste wrt blockbusters et al, however I do believe that BD is quite a bit away from 'tipping point' with the general population and reaching a mass market (as one comentar mentioned: 'we need players available for 199 and disks available at a comparable price to what's being currently paid for DVD's.'


I like would like to wish everyone else well and let them know I bear them no malice!

Comments?


Tiamat_M

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by Tiamat_M

I too expressed such views when I prosletysed the use of CDs in the 1970's

CDs in the 70's?? Sorry, I stopped reading after that.

[JJ]

He may be right. At the moment I see only 45 Blu-Rays worth (to me) getting. There are 8 or so coming within the next month. Enough to satisfy my craving, but he has a valid point that I have heard on these forums before.

[ZeeMan84]

Originally Posted by Tiamat_M

I have been following the battle between HDDVD and Blu-Ray Disks and as an avid technology junkie it's clear to me that Blu-Ray is the way to go.

However most of the current BD Disks available are hardly an incentive to take the plunge and invest in a Blu-Ray player and 1080p screen!

I need some serious stuff like a release (re-release!) of the Star Wars film set, Matrix trilogy or Lord of the Rings trilogy to set pulses racing!

Most of the stuff released in Blu-Ray disks if I have seen it I wouldn't bother watching again regardless of HD format!

I am still waiting to see the value and the quality (not image but film quality!)
Tiamat-M

What a bunch of BS. So in your opinion, Blade Runner, Stanley Kubrick collection (2001: A Space Odyssey, A Clockwork Orange, etc.), Unforgiven, The Fountain, Pixar films, etc. isn't worthy of being called films with quality but only Matrix Trilogy, LOTR trilogy and Star Wars saga. Thanks for sharing your opinion but BD lovers really don't care or buy it.

[Tiamat_M]

Originally Posted by ZeeMan84

What a bunch of BS. So in your opinion, Blade Runner, Stanley Kubrick collection (2001: A Space Odyssey, A Clockwork Orange, etc.), Unforgiven, The Fountain, Pixar films, etc. isn't worthy of being called films with quality but only Matrix Trilogy, LOTR trilogy and Star Wars saga. Thanks for sharing your opinion but BD lovers really don't care or buy it.

Many thanks for your opinion. I was not trying to controversial or leading in any way. I agree with you that some of these films are excellent and I already own them in DVD format.

My challenge that I am grappling with is that if I can watch these films once again on DVD, I have difficulty in paying the premium to watch the same films I already own in a higher resolution. To summarise it's a matter of cost versus benefit!

Tiamat_M

[Luis_A51]

I think in all fairness, yes you are entitled to your opinion. While all the rest of us on here have certainly found atleast a few movies that interest us on BD, maybe you really havent. And maybe you should just wait to get a BD player.

However, it gets EXTREMELY tiresome every single time a NEW MEMBER shows up and complains about the movie selection. If you hate it so much, why even bother posting? No one wants to read needlessly negative threads.

Enjoy your DVDs, and come back when you find a movie you like. We'll welcome you then.