Martin Scorsese on the state of the affairs / Art @ the service of box office numbers

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by DrWally

Martin Scorsese can say whatever the hell he likes, he's more than earned the right to do so. The worst Martin Scorsese film ever made is still better than the best Marvel film ever made.

The truly depressing part is that his comments will inevitably be framed as 'nasty old man upsets fanboys' as opposed to 'one of the greatest filmmakers that ever lived stands up for cinema'.

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Great directors can make incorrect critiques.

You Said It Man - YouTube

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by BobSimms

He’s not incorrect here in the slightest.

It's a fact.

[prkchopexpress]

scorsese has forgotten more about movies than anyone on this board will ever know.

but there sure are lots of trolls who fetishized box office results and think they’re clever. not clever enough to realize they only always further prove his point.

but sure. the guy who loves movies and tries to educate people all the time on the classics and inspire people to check things outside of the mainstream and someone who lends his name to help with restoration and preservation… he’s a the bad guy in all this. because he said something mean (the truth) about bland superhero movies.

[kngtmat]

Everything meant to be seen in theaters is cinema. Has nothing to do with any nonsense. 3 Stooges is Cinema before Martin ever heard of the word. It is all art no matter if someone likes it or not. Art is anything a person or multiple people create.

I see comic drawings no less art than a Vincent van Gogh painting. Just like Superhero movies are no less art or cinemas has his work. One of which two protesters threw a can of soup at his Sunflowers painting. Thankfully it's good and those people got arrested.

Last thing I am going to say on this subject.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by prkchopexpress

scorsese has forgotten more about movies than anyone on this board will ever know.

but there sure are lots of trolls who fetishized box office results and think they’re clever. not clever enough to realize they only always further prove his point.

but sure. the guy who loves movies and tries to educate people all the time on the classics and inspire people to check things outside of the mainstream and someone who lends his name to help with restoration and preservation… he’s a the bad guy in all this. because he said something mean (the truth) about bland superhero movies.

This is America; Americans love movies with guns, violence, superheroes, supervillains, movie stars that look like a million buck, movies with CGI that cost $200 to $400 million, movies with cars, girls, money, romance, ... Marty fits the bill like a glove, in grand style.

Hollywood is an ATM machine, a safe in the bank's vault, a multi $ billion business, a climb to the rich and famous, a Disneyland, a Marvel comic book, a DC superhero, a glamorous shiny diamond girl's best friend, Hollywood is Martin Scorsese...he's part of it like it or not. He's in good company among his friends and peers and heroes.

[happydood]

This is America, all right. Now, folks get to say whatever they want without any verifiable credibility to back it up. Whatevs, am I right?!

[50strat54]

Originally Posted by DrWally

Martin Scorsese can say whatever the hell he likes, he's more than earned the right to do so. The worst Martin Scorsese film ever made is still better than the best Marvel film ever made.

Nope

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by happydood

This is America, all right. Now, folks get to say whatever they want without any verifiable credibility to back it up. Whatevs, am I right?!

You're from L.A. ... you should know best. Drive the neighborhoods from the ultra mansions to the homeless streets.

In the East it's no better.

[Zivouhr]

While many financial minds at some of the biggest movie studios in Hollywood might disagree, Martin Scorsese has blasted those who judge movies on their box office performance and says that the obsession with those figures means cinema is being “devalued, demeaned” and “belittled from all sides.”

That is largely true, since the big AAA studios are mostly drawing in the big audiences into theaters these days, but there are thankfully some smaller exception films that pull people to theaters too.

The big machine corporation of Disney mostly cares about pleasing shareholders with a big opening weekend, focused heavily on the business side of it and making it very public if a film meets or disappoints their lofty expectations of the new minimum box office total of 1 billion dollars worldwide to be considered a valid film franchise.

If a film doesn't reach $1 billion world wide dollars, Disney writes it off as a major box office failure. I'm joking, but I can imagine it could get to that point soon.

Scorsese mostly saying, the heck with how much money it makes, what impact does the film have on the minds of audiences? He's more focused on the art of film understandably, not being heavily attached to the machine like a franchise under Disney or other major studios.

Even in the days of Star Wars, Fox was about to pull the plug on New Hope when Lucas was asking for more budget money to finish it. They were ready to scrap the whole thing almost, before Ladd convinced them to give this guy Lucas a chance.

But yeah, the real freedom to create fresh new ideas and stories, as in video games, is with the independent filmmakers and artists unbound by a big corporation tinkering in everything they do.

[50strat54]

When the movie biz started it was to make money not art.

All professional entertainment begins with making money.

Scorsese with all of his film history knowledge seems to forget that.

Scorsese should also call up his pals George Lucas and Steven Spielberg for helping to start the blockbuster popcorn movie phenomenon. He should b!tch them out.

[LordoftheRings]

That's right; Scorsese should look in his own backyard before opening his trap ...
▪︎ https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/sp...-irishman-cgi/

[mwynn]

This is really all that is needed.

Scorsese first said Marvel movies are "not cinema" when promoting Irishman

Anytime he and others need to get attention on their project they are going to go this route.

[Cremildo]

Originally Posted by kngtmat

It is all art no matter if someone likes it or not.

Therefore, nothing is art.

My kiddie drawings aren't as worthwhile as Picasso paintings, just as MCU tentpoles aren't created the same way as Cries & Whispers or Mouchette.

Why do MCU movies have to be regarded as art to be valid? Can't you fanboys enjoy them for what they are: popcorn entertainment?

[stvn1974]

Jackson Pollock's "paintings" are considered art by some. The word is meaningless.

[LordoftheRings]

Marty should watch this ...

Pearl | Official Trailer HD | A24 - YouTube

... So that he can sleep better @ night and be careful next time before he opens his trap.
I think

[LordoftheRings]

To the rescue, Guillermo ...
• https://nypost.com/2022/10/08/guille...ppy-criticism/

When two master filmmakers speak people are attentive.
When Marvel fans speak people stand up.
When Hollywood cash in the movie industry is happy.
When 'Avatar' gets close to $3 billion revenues worldwide @ the box office people think of 'Gone With the Win'.

It is what it is; you can call it art or you can call it whatever.
For me artfilm is 'Roma', 'Cold War", ...doesn't matter if it makes ten bucks or ten billions.
Numbers are just for fun and people make a living of it; higher the numbers are.
If the numbers aren't there, or to expectation, it's a world of hurt for the movie business. ...Remember the flick 'Predator'?

Today art is part of the business.

[GP Legend]

Originally Posted by Cremildo

Therefore, nothing is art.

My kiddie drawings aren't as worthwhile as Picasso paintings, just as MCU tentpoles aren't created the same way as Cries & Whispers or Mouchette.

Why do MCU movies have to be regarded as art to be valid? Can't you fanboys enjoy them for what they are: popcorn entertainment?

You still haven't explained why "popcorn entertainment" can't be art, other than you personally don't like it or want it to be.

I love it when someone feels the need to trash these movies and say it's not cinema, and, by extension, insult those who enjoy it. But, when "fanboys" defend "popcorn entertainment," cinema elitists want to chime in with "Duh..why don't you just deal with it and enjoy your 'lesser' movies while we continue to talk shit about them?" Maybe take your own advice and enjoy your "cinema" and stop worrying about what others enjoy.

[dancerslegs]

IMO, movie fans really lose the plot when we focus on BO numbers as a hallmark of quality. There are plenty of money men in Hollywood to do the bean counting. We shouldn't feel compelled to buy into their terms of what makes a movie successful/unsuccessful. What about art? If audiences don't place a premium on that, the money men sure as hell won't.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

... So that he can sleep better @ night and be careful next time before he opens his trap.
I think

Oh, for f&c3's sake.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by dancerslegs

IMO, movie fans really lose the plot when we focus on BO numbers as a hallmark of quality. There are plenty of money men in Hollywood to do the bean counting. We shouldn't feel compelled to buy into their terms of what makes a movie successful/unsuccessful. What about art? If audiences don't place a premium on that, the money men sure as hell won't.

BO Numbers = Objective. Facts

Art = Subjective. Opinion