Amazon Blu-ray vs. HD DVD wars

[theknub]

then why are you paying attention to them?

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by spiff-o-matic

I have to take these stats seriously!
http://www.thedvdwars.com/index.cfm#1

Well if you do, be aware some of them are wrong. If you believe them and you think Sony or Fox or Disney will not suport the format as you want, then you have the other option. I just bought 2 Superman Blu-rays today, one of them a version I've wanted to see for years.
Btw, the Disney vault is in California.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by spiff-o-matic

The bottom line is that the hundreds of Blu-ray movies available are JUNK! There's hardly a seriously good film in the lot!

Where is the Disney vault? Sony owns one of the best vaults in the business! How is it that I can find 5 times as many movies I would buy on HD DVD than on Blu-ray?

Wouldn't that mean you're mostly interested in what Universal has released?

All the Warner and Paramount titles are or will be out on Blu-ray, so clearly they can't count.

Gary

[Knight-Errant]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Well if you do, be aware some of them are wrong. If you believe them and you think Sony or Fox or Disney will not suport the format as you want, then you have the other option. I just bought 2 Superman Blu-rays today, one of them a version I've wanted to see for years.
Btw, the Disney vault is in California.

That Donner Cut rocks IMHO

[dialog_gvf]

Update on the DVD wars.

I'm not sure whether the site even knows this, but I'm frequently finding at least one reading every day that has one or more outliers in the Blu-ray top 10 list.

What that means is that in the top 10 there will be titles with rankings well above #10. In one case recently #6 was ~8000 and #7 was ~10000, when they should have been around 3500. So, that hour was about 1100 higher than it should have been.

I've never seen this occur for HD DVD.

Superman Returns is big title. For HD DVD I saw it hit #32! For BD it is #263 right now (which is better than #3 on the HD DVD top-10). That's pretty amazing.

Again, I don't really trust the absolutes. I'm curious whether the trend is at all useful. But, as I say, the data is a bit suspect now.

Gary

[thunderhawk]

Do you see that linear growth of HD DVD?
Do you see that exponential growth of Blu-ray Disc?

Do the math

[AV_Integrated]

It's all pure crap. Just go to www.highdefdigest and do some basic counting.

Blu-ray statistics:
CURRENTLY AVAILABLE: 108 titles
ANOUNCED w/RELEASE DATES: 56 titles

HD-DVD stats:
CURRENTLY AVAILABLE: 122 titles
ANNOUNCED w/RELEASE DATES: 30 titles

TOTAL TITLES W/ANNOUNCED DATES/RELEASED:
Blu-ray 164
HD-DVD 152

Stats (as of right now) from http://www.thedvdwars.com/index.cfm#1
Blu-ray only has 88 titles! WTF!?!? This is off by a solid 20 titles. Clearly they need to go out and figure out what Amazon isn't selling - or more accurately, what they have missed!

HD-DVD has 121 titles. Here it is, only ONE HD-DVD title was missed compared to 20 titles from Blu-ray. How is that EVEN possible?

The total number of available plus presales?

ONCE AGAIN: Blu-ray is listed as having 104 available while they actually have 164 titles with confirmed/announced release dates! It is off by SIXTY TITLES!

HD-DVD shows up with 155 even though HD-DVD has only announced/released a total of 152 discs. They are making up movie titles to give to HD-DVD to try to pad their numbers.

That site is wrong - flat out wrong. It is a lie and a pure misinformation that is so heavily biased it should sicken most people.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by thunderhawk

Do you see that linear growth of HD DVD?
Do you see that exponential growth of Blu-ray Disc?

Do the math

In the last two weeks I see BD stuck in a range, while HD DVD steadily falls.

Current:

HD DVD: 1142.9
Blu-ray: 2768.5

I don't have today's other readings handy, but the last day HD DVD shows up averaging over 1000 was Oct. 9

Want to bet if this trend continues, the HD DVD fanboys will start singing another tune about the relevance?

Gary

[dialog_gvf]

> NEWS: Secretary At Sony Stubs Her Toe - Blu-ray Is Doomed - Great News For HD-DVD!

Too funny!

[Chris Beveridge]

I wonder if Amazon JP provides the same tools.

Looking at CD Japan, BD is at 64 formally announced titles to retailers and HD DVD is at 49. And HD DVD launched on 3/31 while BD launched on 11/3.

Might be interesting to see stats similar to dvdwars that cover a different territory. Maybe UK could be done as well if they provide the API's as well.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

> NEWS: Secretary At Sony Stubs Her Toe - Blu-ray Is Doomed - Great News For HD-DVD!

Too funny!

My gf/Bond girl/assistant found it funny too


Most High Def disc counts on sites are slowly getting to more or less similar agreement about the real ratio of titles, while most people seem fixated with that website's totally erroneus numbers. Sometimes I think some people I've talked too don't even wanna believe any other count is real but that one . Amazing.

I don't kill myself in the process of updating my Apocalist HD-DVD numbers but I try to be accurate and do check other lists and retailers for them. (I even have a secret list of all titles NOT on BD stashed away muahaha! to try to be accurate) Now last time I went to Another Video Stats' BD list and checked it still said 56 BDs released (well seems it hasn't been updated since october!)

such is life

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by Chris Beveridge

I wonder if Amazon JP provides the same tools.

Looking at CD Japan, BD is at 64 formally announced titles to retailers and HD DVD is at 49. And HD DVD launched on 3/31 while BD launched on 11/3.

Oh yeah, Blu-ray is in the lead in JDM land

Even if they launched late, Blu-ray was still able to grasp a lead.

There is NO WAY that HD-DVD can catch up in Japan ever.

Especially in # of major manufacturers, Blu-ray leads 5:1.

Sony, Samsung, Sharp, Panasonic and Pioneer versus Toshiba.

Haha. This is superb news for HD-DVD......not.

[iceman]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/

Top three grossing studios for 2006: Sony, Disney, Fox :P

[dialog_gvf]

^^^ Let's hope that turns into releases on BD.

Latest numbers in the wars. Both have dropped significantly in the last 24 hours. Perhaps people starting Xmas DVD shopping?

Lows:

Blu-ray: 2577
HD DVD: 929

Highs:

Blu-ray: 4110
HD DVD: 1279

Gary

[Dave]

I cant take it anymore!
They removed 15-20 of the Blu-ray blank media, Panasonic, Phillips and SONY players AND on top of that they added some OPPO DV-970HD Up-Converting Universal DVD Player which is not HD DVD player and another imaginary HD DVD PLAYER with Sales rank: 100000!

This is ridicules !

[iceman]

Originally Posted by Dave

I cant take it anymore!
They removed 15-20 of the Blu-ray blank media, Panasonic, Phillips and SONY players AND on top of that they added some OPPO DV-970HD Up-Converting Universal DVD Player which is not HD DVD player and another imaginary HD DVD PLAYER with Sales rank: 100000!

This is ridicules !

lol

At least they updated the movie listings... but I think thedvdwars.com has been HD-DVD biased all along...

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by thedvdwars

Our latest post, from December 4, 2006: Good news for the blu-ray fans - I realized, after looking/searching on Amazon, that my site was missing quite a few blu-ray titles. I made an update, and now the number of buyable blu-ray titles is very close to the number of buyable hd-dvd titles.

"My bad"

Now, all that is needed is for Amazon themselves to add other missing titles.

Gary

[theknub]

first, i want to ask how the amazon sales ranks work. i have never understood how these numbers are generated. yes, i get that #1 is the top selling item. but the greater scheme and factors i have never bothered to understand as i'm sure it makes a big difference in a small environment like this.

second, how the hell can unreleased movies be ranked statistically in sales? that makes absolutely no sense.

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by theknub

first, i want to ask how the amazon sales ranks work. i have never understood how these numbers are generated. yes, i get that #1 is the top selling item. but the greater scheme and factors i have never bothered to understand as i'm sure it makes a big difference in a small environment like this.

second, how the hell can unreleased movies be ranked statistically in sales? that makes absolutely no sense.

That's the whole problem, no one knows how exactly the Amazon sales rankings work. Even the #1 ranking isn't exactly as it seems, as far as I can tell.

Apparently, the best anyone has been able to work out is that the Amazon sales ranking is based on some sort of rolling scale that is updated either monthly, weekly, daily, or hourly based on popularity, how new an item is, what category an item is listed in, and how many sales an item has. As far as I can tell, the sales rankings are very indirectly related to actual numbers of sales as it has been documented that is possible to shoot up in ranking at Amazon without barely selling any units or, to remain stagnant in ranking even with many units of sale, especially the longer an item has been up for listing.

But, don't tell the HD DVD fanboys over at AVS any of this, because they will swear to you that an Amazon ranking is equal to units in sales, which is absolutely false.

[theknub]

ok, i have questioned these rankings for a long time and finally decided to see if someone out there has a real answer since i finally gave up on figuring it out.