The Seventh Seal 4K UHD (1957) - Page 3 - Blu-ray Forum

El Sleezo · 01-17-2023, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by M A

The Seventh Seal, Autumn Sonata, and Face to Face are the only Bergman films to have a 4K restoration

Ah correct, I forgot they made a new restoration of Autumn Sonata in between the two Criterion releases.

lilboyblu · 01-17-2023, 10:13 PM

Had a feeling that a CC edition would be coming along! It was one of their best-selling Blu-ray titles, after all. Deciding to do a 4K release without HDR is a dealbreaker for me though. Just placed my order for the Dolby Vision import.

MTRodaba2468 · 01-17-2023, 10:19 PM

I figured that this one would be an early upgrade. I've always viewed it (along with Seven Samurai) as one of Criterion's signature titles, and would be an "easy" pick to get the upgrade.

KubrickKurasawa · 01-17-2023, 10:41 PM

No DV/HDR is weird. Think about it the Blu-Ray included is and SDR version. If you own the old BLu-Ray or the Big Bergman set that is also a SDR version. Then you have DVD or DIgital versions that are out are also SDR.

But I've come to accept what Criterion is.

Gacivory · 01-17-2023, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by M A

The Seventh Seal, Autumn Sonata, and Face to Face are the only Bergman films to have a 4K restoration

Can we at least get Face to Face on Blu then! Mini-Series and Movie version would be fantastic!

JFizDaWiz · 01-18-2023, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dallywhitty

But it doesn't have a big C on the front cover, therefore it's inferior.

I bought the BFI the day before this was announced and you bet your ass I'm also grabbing the Criterion version (I have all their 4Ks so far)

Muyfa666 · 01-19-2023, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JFizDaWiz

I bought the BFI the day before this was announced and you bet your ass I'm also grabbing the Criterion version (I have all their 4Ks so far)

I tend to prefer CC, but to be honest I don't understand how they planned this release...

CC:
No HDR at all
Swedish LPCM Mono & English DD Mono
English subs

BFI:
DV & HDR10
Swedish LPCM Mono
English subs

Both are equally english friendly in that both have english subs, and the english dub on the CC is just sacrilege. Swedish is the way this classic are to be seen.

Got some coupons etc on Amazon UK, so I went with the BFI for 2£ delivered on this, but to each their own.

KubrickKurasawa · 01-19-2023, 03:07 PM

That means they're basically putting no effort into this 4K release. I have a thing for Academy Aspect ratio films too. I can't believe this.

cheez avenger · 01-19-2023, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Muyfa666

I tend to prefer CC, but to be honest I don't understand how they planned this release...

CC:
No HDR at all
Swedish LPCM Mono & English DD Mono
English subs

BFI:
DV & HDR10
Swedish LPCM Mono
English subs

Both are equally english friendly in that both have english subs, and the english dub on the CC is just sacrilege. Swedish is the way this classic are to be seen.

Got some coupons etc on Amazon UK, so I went with the BFI for 2£ delivered on this, but to each their own.

BFI also has the FiM encode, as well. On that alone, it's already better and I'm a big CC supporter, but let's get real here. FiM rocks.

tama · 01-19-2023, 05:29 PM

Got confirmation from Jon Mulvany that this release is in SDR rec709.

dvining · 01-19-2023, 05:34 PM

*comfortably rests with Bergman box set, feeling no need to upgrade*

Jlouisbarrett · 01-19-2023, 11:10 PM

Wtf? Did they give any reason for the lack of HDR? There’s literally a fully completed 4K/Dolby Vision grade already in existence.

Rizor · 01-19-2023, 11:42 PM

If I had to guess, BFI/FiM may have done the HDR/DV pass themselves. Criterion seems content to use what the rightsholder/filmmaker approved even if it's SDR. They definitely have a "no HDR? no problem!" attitude on their releases.

Gacivory · 01-20-2023, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dvining

*comfortably rests with Bergman box set, feeling no need to upgrade*

I hope your bed is big enough to fit you, the wife and the Bergman set comfortably.

dvining · 01-20-2023, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Gacivory

I hope your bed is big enough to fit you, the wife and the Bergman set comfortably.

As long as neither of the kids have a nightmare!

Muyfa666 · 01-20-2023, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by cheez avenger

BFI also has the FiM encode, as well. On that alone, it's already better and I'm a big CC supporter, but let's get real here. FiM rocks.

Yes, this is a no-brainer. BFI all the way.

Big love for CC, but they don't seem to understand the warmth and love that DV and HDR brings.

KubrickKurasawa · 01-20-2023, 02:48 PM

2023 is going to be a real banger for Criterion with this approach.

Brian81 · 01-20-2023, 04:41 PM

Wasn't there a few subtitle errors on the BFI, or am I mistaking for a different title?

Kyle15 · 01-20-2023, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian81

Wasn't there a few subtitle errors on the BFI, or am I mistaking for a different title?

Sloppy translation. See:

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Originally Posted by vinvanveen

Translation, though the font's ugly too. The worst offender, to me, is that Death is consistently referred to as "the Devil" in the subtitles. (Which makes no sense...) Somehow that got through quality control.

(I should add here that the image quality on the BFI disk is really, really good. You win some, you lose some)

Rayjg · 01-20-2023, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muyfa666

I tend to prefer CC, but to be honest I don't understand how they planned this release...

CC:
No HDR at all
Swedish LPCM Mono & English DD Mono
English subs

BFI:
DV & HDR10
Swedish LPCM Mono
English subs

Both are equally english friendly in that both have english subs, and the english dub on the CC is just sacrilege. Swedish is the way this classic are to be seen.

Got some coupons etc on Amazon UK, so I went with the BFI for 2£ delivered on this, but to each their own.

Did Sydow dub himself in English?

01-17-2023, 10:13 PM	#42
lilboyblu Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Apr 2010 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Trading Score:19	Had a feeling that a CC edition would be coming along! It was one of their best-selling Blu-ray titles, after all. Deciding to do a 4K release without HDR is a dealbreaker for me though. Just placed my order for the Dolby Vision import.

01-17-2023, 10:19 PM	#43
MTRodaba2468 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Western Kentucky Home Theater Gallery:1 4K collection:1137 Blu-ray collection:5817 DVD collection:1284 MA collection:676 Digital collection:1383 iTunes collection:244 Trading Score:8	I figured that this one would be an early upgrade. I've always viewed it (along with Seven Samurai) as one of Criterion's signature titles, and would be an "easy" pick to get the upgrade.

01-17-2023, 10:41 PM	#44
KubrickKurasawa Blu-ray Knight Member since:Feb 2014 Location:Midwest 4K collection:65 Blu-ray collection:612 DVD collection:129 Digital collection:70 iTunes collection:92 Prime collection:9	No DV/HDR is weird. Think about it the Blu-Ray included is and SDR version. If you own the old BLu-Ray or the Big Bergman set that is also a SDR version. Then you have DVD or DIgital versions that are out are also SDR. But I've come to accept what Criterion is.

01-19-2023, 03:07 PM	#48
KubrickKurasawa Blu-ray Knight Member since:Feb 2014 Location:Midwest 4K collection:65 Blu-ray collection:612 DVD collection:129 Digital collection:70 iTunes collection:92 Prime collection:9	That means they're basically putting no effort into this 4K release. I have a thing for Academy Aspect ratio films too. I can't believe this.

01-19-2023, 05:29 PM	#50
tama Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Nov 2010 Location:San Jose, CA 4K collection:685 Blu-ray collection:1229	Got confirmation from Jon Mulvany that this release is in SDR rec709.

01-19-2023, 05:34 PM	#51
dvining Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2011 Location:South Carolina 4K collection:304 Blu-ray collection:1531 DVD collection:31	comfortably rests with Bergman box set, feeling no need to upgrade

01-19-2023, 11:10 PM	#52
Jlouisbarrett Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Oct 2015 Location:The 5th Dimension	Wtf? Did they give any reason for the lack of HDR? There’s literally a fully completed 4K/Dolby Vision grade already in existence.

01-19-2023, 11:42 PM	#53
Rizor Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jun 2008 Location:NJ, USA 4K collection:1602 Blu-ray collection:6185 DVD collection:192 MA collection:73 Digital collection:51 iTunes collection:29 Prime collection:7 Blu-ray reviews: 32 Trading Score:159	If I had to guess, BFI/FiM may have done the HDR/DV pass themselves. Criterion seems content to use what the rightsholder/filmmaker approved even if it's SDR. They definitely have a "no HDR? no problem!" attitude on their releases.

01-20-2023, 02:48 PM	#57
KubrickKurasawa Blu-ray Knight Member since:Feb 2014 Location:Midwest 4K collection:65 Blu-ray collection:612 DVD collection:129 Digital collection:70 iTunes collection:92 Prime collection:9	2023 is going to be a real banger for Criterion with this approach.

01-20-2023, 04:41 PM	#58
Brian81 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Mar 2011 Trading Score:4	Wasn't there a few subtitle errors on the BFI, or am I mistaking for a different title?

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