A Blade in the Dark 4K UHD (88 Films)

[Alexcap]

their is one thing that's different between 88 and VS is 88films 3 version of the film as the main and end credits in English and VS as the main and end credits in Italian' I hate it when 88films have the credits in English cause it make it feel incomplete and none Italian.

[barrett75]

Originally Posted by Alexcap

I hate it when 88films have the credits in English cause it make it feel incomplete and none Italian.

especially when they could easily include them via seamless branching... they put them in the extra instead... shame.

[Keoma]

Originally Posted by Alexcap

their is one thing that's different between 88 and VS is 88films 3 version of the film as the main and end credits in English and VS as the main and end credits in Italian' I hate it when 88films have the credits in English cause it make it feel incomplete and none Italian.

I believe this was done intentionally in order to allow both an English and Italian soundtrack on the Director's and Extended cuts (so 4 variables in total). Adding another seamless branching point just for the credits would potentially result in more playback/compatibility issues, which is why they are included on the extras instead, I assume.

[ViscountCarnacki]

Originally Posted by Alexcap

their is one thing that's different between 88 and VS is 88films 3 version of the film as the main and end credits in English and VS as the main and end credits in Italian' I hate it when 88films have the credits in English cause it make it feel incomplete and none Italian.

How does the picture quality compare between 88 and VS?

[DaylightsEnd]

Originally Posted by ViscountCarnacki

How does the picture quality compare between 88 and VS?

I just tore into my copy of the 88 4k and compared it quick n dirty to the VS 4k disc. The potent VS release is definitely hotter in terms of contrast and color saturation, which tends to throw off some pretty aggressive skin tones and pushed primaries. This is nothing unusual for a VS 4k uhd. The 88 release is easily more neutral/dialed back, has a more balanced mastering job and more natural primaries. The 88 release also has a surprisingly good encode, at least in the few scenes I previewed, although the VS looks a tad sharper overall, probably due at least in part to its hyped contrast, and has an equally solid encode. Both releases have a healthy, stout grain field, as one would expect considering the source elements, and I didn't notice any frozen grain, excessive chroma noise, etc. on either disc.

I suspect folks that are bothered by the hotter contrast and punchier saturation of the VS release may well prefer the 88 4k disc, depending on their given display and settings. I didn't find any overt distractions or issues with the 88 release, but will watch it all the way through this weekend with a more discerning eye. I think that 88 has dropped another solid uhd effort, here. I'm pleased to have both releases of this title, as they each have their merits.

[ViscountCarnacki]

Originally Posted by DaylightsEnd

I just tore into my copy of the 88 4k and compared it quick n dirty to the VS 4k disc. The potent VS release is definitely hotter in terms of contrast and color saturation, which tends to throw off some pretty aggressive skin tones and pushed primaries. This is nothing unusual for a VS 4k uhd. The 88 release is easily more neutral/dialed back, has a more balanced mastering job and more natural primaries. The 88 release also has a surprisingly good encode, at least in the few scenes I previewed, although the VS looks a tad sharper overall, probably due at least in part to its hyped contrast, and has an equally solid encode. Both releases have a healthy, stout grain field, as one would expect considering the source elements, and I didn't notice any frozen grain, excessive chroma noise, etc. on either disc.

I suspect folks that are bothered by the hotter contrast and punchier saturation of the VS release may well prefer the 88 4k disc, depending on their given display and settings. I didn't find any overt distractions or issues with the 88 release, but will watch it all the way through this weekend with a more discerning eye. I think that 88 has dropped another solid uhd effort, here. I'm pleased to have both releases of this title, as they each have their merits.

Thanks for the details!

[valien]

Originally Posted by DaylightsEnd

I just tore into my copy of the 88 4k and compared it quick n dirty to the VS 4k disc.

Thanks! Can you provide some screenshots of the 88 Films disc, so that we can compare them with the VS ones visibile in the Blu-ray.com review?

[Trampled]

Originally Posted by Alexcap

their is one thing that's different between 88 and VS is 88films 3 version of the film as the main and end credits in English and VS as the main and end credits in Italian' I hate it when 88films have the credits in English cause it make it feel incomplete and none Italian.

Do you actually own the 88 Films release of A Blade in the Dark?

Where did you get that information from?

Have you watched the 4k to confirm this yourself?

Also what '3 versions' do you mean? As far as I can see there are only two versions, the Director Approved version and the Extended TV version, what is the third version you refer to?

I am not quite sure what you are trying to say exactly but I just had a quick look at my 4k from 88 Films, I played the Director Approved version in English and the opening credits were in English, white lettering against the still of the baseball.

I then selected the Italian track and again watched the first few minutes, the film plays the same in Italian with English subtitles but this time the opening credits were the Italian ones, yellow lettering against the same still of the baseball.

And yes, the original Italian opening/closing credits are also available to play separately as a solo special feature.

So to recap if you select the English track on the 88 Films disc the film plays with English credits while if you select the Italian track it plays with the Italian credits, at least on the Director Approved version as I did not check the Extended TV cut but have no reason to assume that would be different.

Also, grain haters beware, there's lots of it.

[Keoma]

Originally Posted by Trampled

Do you actually own the 88 Films release of A Blade in the Dark?

Where did you get that information from?

Have you watched the 4k to confirm this yourself?

Also what '3 versions' do you mean? As far as I can see there are only two versions, the Director Approved version and the Extended TV version, what is the third version you refer to?

I am not quite sure what you are trying to say exactly but I just had a quick look at my 4k from 88 Films, I played the Director Approved version in English and the opening credits were in English, white lettering against the still of the baseball.

I then selected the Italian track and again watched the first few minutes, the film plays the same in Italian with English subtitles but this time the opening credits were the Italian ones, yellow lettering against the same still of the baseball.

And yes, the original Italian opening/closing credits are also available to play separately as a solo special feature.

So to recap if you select the English track on the 88 Films disc the film plays with English credits while if you select the Italian track it plays with the Italian credits, at least on the Director Approved version as I did not check the Extended TV cut but have no reason to assume that would be different.

Also, grain haters beware, there's lots of it.

Same here. Everything plays correctly. You just need to make the appropriate selections on the menu beforehand. I also loved how well the transfer and the encode preserve the grain. It is, after all, a 16mm film. I have not seen the VS edition, but they tend to overdo HDR, and I feel that the 88 version is, more than likely, the more film-like and natural of the two, which I prefer.

[Alexcap]

Originally Posted by Trampled

Do you actually own the 88 Films release of A Blade in the Dark?

Where did you get that information from?

Have you watched the 4k to confirm this yourself?

Also what '3 versions' do you mean? As far as I can see there are only two versions, the Director Approved version and the Extended TV version, what is the third version you refer to?

I am not quite sure what you are trying to say exactly but I just had a quick look at my 4k from 88 Films, I played the Director Approved version in English and the opening credits were in English, white lettering against the still of the baseball.

I then selected the Italian track and again watched the first few minutes, the film plays the same in Italian with English subtitles but this time the opening credits were the Italian ones, yellow lettering against the same still of the baseball.

And yes, the original Italian opening/closing credits are also available to play separately as a solo special feature.

So to recap if you select the English track on the 88 Films disc the film plays with English credits while if you select the Italian track it plays with the Italian credits, at least on the Director Approved version as I did not check the Extended TV cut but have no reason to assume that would be different.

Also, grain haters beware, there's lots of it.

because 88films website and the website called dvdcompare.net says nothing about that if you watch the 88films release in Italian you get the Italian credits or if you watch it in English you get English credits but dvdcompare.net does mention it about the vinegar syndrome release and as for the third version of the film on the 88films release that was a mistake I just misread it.

[David M]

Originally Posted by Alexcap

their is one thing that's different between 88 and VS is 88films 3 version of the film as the main and end credits in English and VS as the main and end credits in Italian' I hate it when 88films have the credits in English cause it make it feel incomplete and none Italian.

Set the language to Italian in the disc's Setup screen (in either the main menu or the popup menu). That enables Italian audio, English translation subtitles, and Italian video for the credits.

[MegatronX]

Do any of the other 88 Italian 4Ks have the option of watching the films with Italian titles?

[Brian81]

Yellow subs? Hate those.

[Keoma]

Originally Posted by Brian81

Yellow subs? Hate those.

No. White.

[Syngenor]

Tell me, does the 88 Film release have better picture quality than Vinegar Syndrome?

[Markgway]

Anyone have any issues with the audio on the UHD?

The audio is blank - save for intermittent interference - on both the English and Italian tracks, but the audio commentary plays as normal.

Never had an issue like this with a UHD before.

Am I alone?

[Trampled]

Originally Posted by Markgway

Anyone have any issues with the audio on the UHD?

The audio is blank - save for intermittent interference - on both the English and Italian tracks, but the audio commentary plays as normal.

Never had an issue like this with a UHD before.

Am I alone?

I watched my 4k a few weeks ago and the longer TV cut played perfectly with the English dub, no issues at all for me.

I did not sample any other combination of cut/audio track though.

I have a Sony X800M2.

[Alexcap]

someone says on the one for the VS Page say the 88films version of the extended Italian tv edit have frame missing because its 21 seconds shorter than the VS version but I checked DVD rewind website and the one that had missing frames at each splice point was the 2015 release by 88films but the new release as no missing frames so I want to know before buying it is it still cut or isn't it.

[Keoma]

Originally Posted by Markgway

Anyone have any issues with the audio on the UHD?

The audio is blank - save for intermittent interference - on both the English and Italian tracks, but the audio commentary plays as normal.

Never had an issue like this with a UHD before.

Am I alone?

Sounds like a set-up issue. Everything plays fine on my end, using 3 different players. How is your set-up configured for audio? Are you using a receiver or going straight to the TV? Try "bitstream" or "auto" under the audio set-up menu in your player.

[Keoma]

Originally Posted by Alexcap

someone says on the one for the VS Page say the 88films version of the extended Italian tv edit have frame missing because its 21 seconds shorter than the VS version but I checked DVD rewind website and the one that had missing frames at each splice point was the 2015 release by 88films but the new release as no missing frames so I want to know before buying it is it still cut or isn't it.

It is uncut. The 21 sec difference is probably attributable to different opening logos.

Having said that, who on earth would want this version to be any longer?