Four new Quadio Blu-ray releases from Rhino in June. Amazon on Sep 8

[Tok]

Originally Posted by Katatonia

Yes, I was able to listen to it in the native 4.0 quad channel. I just set it to "Straight" on my Yamaha receiver, but it doesn't force me to change the setting to Pure Direct processing.

Paranoid sounded absolutely grand in 4 channels. I noticed tiny little details of the recording that I've honestly never really even heard before... and that's after listening to the album countless times over 35+ years. Yes... it literally sounds that good. This is the absolute best that I've ever heard the album sound in any format.

I think Yamaha dts decoders are more versatile than the Denon/Marantz. I can get around it but changing the parameters for the rear surrounds does cause the pre-amp settings to change from where they were set if one designated to use one pair for the front LR instead of the default height 2 pair.

Just kind of a pain with Denon but I don’t want to give up Audyssey for the playback.

[Katatonia]

Originally Posted by Tok

I think Yamaha dts decoders are more versatile than the Denon/Marantz. I can get around it but changing the parameters for the rear surrounds does cause the pre-amp settings to change from where they were set if one designated to use one pair for the front LR instead of the default height 2 pair.

Just kind of a pain with Denon but I don’t want to give up Audyssey for the playback.

I've never owned a Denon receiver before, however my CD player is a Denon and I love it.

[bigshot]

My Yamaha plays quad as quad. I can force it to that using my Oppo player too. I just have the Oppo output PCM.

Could the problem be fixed with a firmware update to your AVR?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Tok

I think Yamaha dts decoders are more versatile than the Denon/Marantz. I can get around it but changing the parameters for the rear surrounds does cause the pre-amp settings to change from where they were set if one designated to use one pair for the front LR instead of the default height 2 pair.

Just kind of a pain with Denon but I don’t want to give up Audyssey for the playback.

My Marantz allows me to just play the dts straight from Blu-ray, it also has the option to expand...both these options are in the "MOVIES" and "MUSIC" options.

SR6012

I can select "DTS-MA" or "DTS-MA+Atmos" or "DTS-MA+dtsX"

[stvn1974]

I received a cancellation email from Rhino yesterday for the Billion Dollar Babies disc. Said there was a technical error or something. Other on the Steven Hoffman forum received the same email.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

I received a cancellation email from Rhino yesterday for the Billion Dollar Babies disc. Said there was a technical error or something. Other on the Steven Hoffman forum received the same email.

I received it in my original order. I’ll have to contact Rhino to find out if customers that received it will get a replacement.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

My Marantz allows me to just play the dts straight from Blu-ray, it also has the option to expand...both these options are in the "MOVIES" and "MUSIC" options.

SR6012

I can select "DTS-MA" or "DTS-MA+Atmos" or "DTS-MA+dtsX"

Whichever mode I use it still remaps dts to more than the 4.0 native channels.

[El Sleezo]

Had to get all 4, though of course Sab and Coop carry the other two. Can't wait for the next and future batches.

[Geezer00003]

Ordered Sabbath's Paranoid on June 23rd, still waiting not so patiently now
givemegivemegiveme!!!!!
It's in Canada somewhere, just not in my Oppo
Give me now!!!!!!!
Please

[sperezmore]

Got all!!!

Sounds amazing

Regards,

[fdm]

Originally Posted by Tok

I received it in my original order. I’ll have to contact Rhino to find out if customers that received it will get a replacement.

Good luck with that… I've been waiting for a while now for a response from a real person to one of my order issues, which I elaborated upon on the 7th after they just sent me a we're too busy to respond, here's the faq response to my initial contact attempt on the 5th. (Seems like this may be common and if they ever respond at all…)

And now this… Let us know how things turn out.

[fdm]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

I received a cancellation email from Rhino yesterday for the Billion Dollar Babies disc. Said there was a technical error or something. Other on the Steven Hoffman forum received the same email.

Which thread? I'd like to check it out…

[JohnnyF]

Originally Posted by Geezer00003

Ordered Sabbath's Paranoid on June 23rd, still waiting not so patiently now
givemegivemegiveme!!!!!
It's in Canada somewhere, just not in my Oppo
Give me now!!!!!!!
Please

For the love of god, don’t they know your screen name?!?

[Tok]

Originally Posted by fdm

Which thread? I'd like to check it out…

Might be this one https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threa...176927/page-37

but I haven’t seen anything that implies the B$B is defective. Last comment I saw user said there is no error. Though one user did say the stereo mix dts 24b@192k was also reporting 4.0. I need to open mine to check it out. Others said vocals were mixed in all 4.0 channels but it could be the way the quad mix was initially designed. Again these releases aren’t supposed to be new but rather high resolution version of the original quad audio releases.

Edit: the post in question does say that their B$B order was canceled from their bundle due to technical issues but it never implies the disc is or isn’t the technical issue. The disc was available to purchase again after this email was received. I’m guessing the technical issue is more about Rhino being overwhelmed with orders and can’t fill them. Their CS has been horrendously bad.

I was waiting on my audiophile Cars and John Coltrane vinyls for over 5 weeks after they were released. I eventually got them but I heard others say they got their orders with the limited to 5000 Cars album missing even though they were charged.

I did get the 4 Quadio releases fairly quickly since I preordered them immediately but others haven’t been so lucky and CS isn’t responding.

I’m not so sure Rhino is equipped to do direct to consumer sales and btw that’s their only mode of operation now in the US at least.

[fdm]

Originally Posted by Tok

Might be this one https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threa...176927/page-37

but I haven’t seen anything that implies the B$B is defective. Last comment I saw user said there is no error. Though one user did say the stereo mix dts 24b@192k was also reporting 4.0. I need to open mine to check it out. Others said vocals were mixed in all 4.0 channels but it could be the way the quad mix was initially designed. Again these releases aren’t supposed to be new but rather high resolution version of the original quad audio releases.

Edit: the post in question does say that their B$B order was canceled from their bundle due to technical issues but it never implies the disc is or isn’t the technical issue. The disc was available to purchase again after this email was received. I’m guessing the technical issue is more about Rhino being overwhelmed with orders and can’t fill them. Their CS has been horrendously bad.

I was waiting on my audiophile Cars and John Coltrane vinyls for over 5 weeks after they were released. I eventually got them but I heard others say they got their orders with the limited to 5000 Cars album missing even though they were charged.

I did get the 4 Quadio releases fairly quickly since I preordered them immediately but others haven’t been so lucky and CS isn’t responding.

I’m not so sure Rhino is equipped to do direct to consumer sales and btw that’s their only mode of operation now in the US at least.

I had all sorts of scratched cd issues with that complete Woodstock set from them a few years back, took ages to get all the replacements for them, and then half of those weren't much better, but I guess at least they played. Not only that but it took a few go arounds in the beginning just to get that big box in the first place as UPS wouldn't deliver it to a PO Box, so they just sent it back to Rhino without telling anyone. There was some warehouse move having just happened right about that time and needless to say things were pretty crazy back then. Got kind of fed up with them back then.

This is my first order from them since… Looks like they never did manage to get things together, given these various snapshots of how things have been going over there.

Maybe I'll get a response from them eventually…

[Tok]

Originally Posted by fdm

I had all sorts of scratched cd issues with that complete Woodstock set from them a few years back, took ages to get all the replacements for them, and then half of those weren't much better, but I guess at least they played. Not only that but it took a few go arounds in the beginning just to get that big box in the first place as UPS wouldn't deliver it to a PO Box, so they just sent it back to Rhino without telling anyone. There was some warehouse move having just happened right about that time and needless to say things were pretty crazy back then. Got kind of fed up with them back then.

This is my first order from them since… Looks like they never did manage to get things together, given these various snapshots of how things have been going over there.

Maybe I'll get a response from them eventually…

Good luck with your recent order. Good products but horrible CS.

btw The Cars audiophile vinyl has to be the cleanest vinyl I own. It’s an extremely quiet pressing. Even the track play-ins/play-outs are silent.

[fdm]

I did get a response today, fwiw. Not the one I was looking for, so I'm continuing the conversation to see if we can get it there, but I did get a response.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Tok

Whichever mode I use it still remaps dts to more than the 4.0 native channels.

Well that is not how it's supposed to work. If you input PCM and select MULTI CH IN, it should map only the channels you're sending it. Even the manual agrees on this point. Either they messed up all 4300s, or yours has an error. I would take a disc to my local dealer and see if I can replicate the issue or whether it differs, then you'll know whether it's isolated to your unit or that model.

Most AVRs will allow you to choose whether it upmixes or not without having to bypass DSP (ie DIRECT), been that way with all 10+ AVRs I've owned since my first AVR back in 2004 (VSX-1014TX).

[Tok]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Well that is not how it's supposed to work. If you input PCM and select MULTI CH IN, it should map only the channels you're sending it. Even the manual agrees on this point. Either they messed up all 4300s, or yours has an error. I would take a disc to my local dealer and see if I can replicate the issue or whether it differs, then you'll know whether it's isolated to your unit or that model.

Most AVRs will allow you to choose whether it upmixes or not without having to bypass DSP (ie DIRECT), been that way with all 10+ AVRs I've owned since my first AVR back in 2004 (VSX-1014TX).

I agree. I’m not new to the AVR game. My first unit was an Onkyo ProLogic unit in 1989.

dts though did start to duplicate their surround channels into surround back channels with their decoders when 7.1 was starting to become more prevalent. I haven’t found an easy way around this other than to turn off my surround back channels while sending bitstream and that causes other problems within the setup when I re-enable the surround back channels. Even while sending PCM with the 7.1 mapping disabled the Panasonic still duplicates the surround backs with dts titles.

[bigshot]

There's no technical error. It's just authored differently than the other three. The track lengths on the Alice Cooper are different in the quad mix than the stereo one, so they couldn't make them two separate files and synchronize them so you could switch on the fly back and forth from one mix to the other. Instead they put them all in one quad file and made track 1 to 10 quad and 11-20 stereo. It may display as 4.0 but the rear channels are silent in 11-20. No problem with your AVR, just set it to "Direct" when playing back 11 to 20 and it will be in stereo. They won't be issuing a correction and they've started shipping Billion Dollar Babies again, so if your order was cancelled just make a new order and you'll get it right away.