Rebel Moon - Part II: The Scargiver (2024)

[Benoit Blanc]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Who's the quote from?

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by Benoit Blanc

Who's the quote from?

https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/new...vie-to-part-1/

Tessa Smith of Mama’s Geekly

[BloodshotUSA]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Zack Snyder claimed that Rebel Moon would have made more at the box office than Barbie, but his $1.6 billion metric has a few problems.

I don't believe this is accurate. He said that he was told that more people saw Rebel Moon on Netflix than watched Barbie in theaters.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by BloodshotUSA

I don't believe this is accurate. He said that he was told that more people saw Rebel Moon on Netflix than watched Barbie in theaters.

Here is the direct quote.

"You think about Netflix, for instance, where you push a button. Rebel Moon, right? Say right now it's almost at 90 million views, right? 80 or 90 million accounts turned it on, give or take. They assume two viewers per screening, right? That's the kind of math.

“So you think if that movie was in the theater as a distribution model, that's like 160,000,000 people supposedly watching based on that math. 160,000,000 people at $10 a ticket would be…what is that math? I don't know. 160,000,000 times ten. That's 1.6 billion. So more people probably saw Rebel Moon than saw Barbie in the theater, right?"

[BloodshotUSA]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Here is the direct quote.

I've seen the quote, but I feel like Zack still isn't saying that Rebel Moon would do better than Barbie. To me it seems he's saying more people saw Rebel Moon than Barbie in the theaters. He's just doing it badly. He's using Rebel Moon's viewers as a theoretical box office gross instead of just counting however many people watched Barbie. To me it seems like he is saying $1.6B worth of people watched his movie, compared to $1.4B for Barbie, so that equals more viewers. I think he's using a bad example to make a comparison.

Even at the end, Snyder says "More people probably saw Rebel Moon than Barbie in the theater, right?"

Maybe I'm misinterpreting the quote. I'm going to have to watch the Rogan interview again. Not that I believe more people saw Rebel Moon than Barbie anyway. Even if what Zack is saying is true, Barbie went to streaming after theatrical and racked up even more views. But I can absolutely believe that Netflix told him that though.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by BloodshotUSA

I've seen the quote, but I feel like Zack still isn't saying that Rebel Moon would do better than Barbie. To me it seems he's saying more people saw Rebel Moon than Barbie in the theaters. He's just doing it badly. He's using Rebel Moon's viewers as a theoretical box office gross instead of just counting however many people watched Barbie. To me it seems like he is saying $1.6B worth of people watched his movie, compared to $1.4B for Barbie, so that equals more viewers. I think he's using a bad example to make a comparison.

Even at the end, Snyder says "More people probably saw Rebel Moon than Barbie in the theater, right?"

Maybe I'm misinterpreting the quote. I'm going to have to watch the Rogan interview again. Not that I believe more people saw Rebel Moon than Barbie anyway. Even if what Zack is saying is true, Barbie went to streaming after theatrical and racked up even more views. But I can absolutely believe that Netflix told him that though.

Possibly, but he used the $10 ticket as a reference point.

[Hedrox]

Originally Posted by BloodshotUSA

I've seen the quote, but I feel like Zack still isn't saying that Rebel Moon would do better than Barbie. To me it seems he's saying more people saw Rebel Moon than Barbie in the theaters. He's just doing it badly. He's using Rebel Moon's viewers as a theoretical box office gross instead of just counting however many people watched Barbie. To me it seems like he is saying $1.6B worth of people watched his movie, compared to $1.4B for Barbie, so that equals more viewers. I think he's using a bad example to make a comparison.

Even at the end, Snyder says "More people probably saw Rebel Moon than Barbie in the theater, right?"

Maybe I'm misinterpreting the quote. I'm going to have to watch the Rogan interview again. Not that I believe more people saw Rebel Moon than Barbie anyway. Even if what Zack is saying is true, Barbie went to streaming after theatrical and racked up even more views. But I can absolutely believe that Netflix told him that though.

I mean, the whole logic that all these 160 million people would've gone to see Rebel Moon in theaters, if it was a wide cinema release, is really flawed. The reason so many people started the movie is because it came free with their Netflix account, it was promoted on the front page so "might as well". If people actually had to buy a cinema ticket to see it, it likely would've made less than 15% of what Barbie did worldwide.

So basically an apples to oranges comparison on Snyder's part.

[captveg]

If his point was that more people see a given film on a streaming service than even the biggest theatrical hits, then sure. But that's been true for home video/cable for decades now, simply because there's simply more time for those views to occur, and at a far lower cost of entry point. If his point was that Rebel Moon would have drawn more theatrical interest than Barbie he's just flat out insane. I think he was making a point about the former - more people will see a film at home than at the theater.

[Law212]

I look forward to checking this out. I didnt bother with the first part as im waiting for the rela cut of the movie. Cant wait to see it though.

[Hedrox]

Metacritic

Reception maaaaybe slightly better than the first. When it's that low, does it matter?

[Prog5000]

Early days. Not looking good.

[CreasyBear]

I love Zack, but these films are a mess. I'm sure his director's cut, if or when they ever materialize, will make it more coherent and structurally sound, but what has been released so far is simply not up to his standards. The second film is just a fury of loud noises, the same chorus and drum beats in the score, and overwrought, clearly compromised, action. I think I preferred the first film. At least it felt like there was a story.

[originalHDphantom]

Up to 14% fresh now on RT!!!

[Law212]

Originally Posted by Prog5000

Early days. Not looking good.

Would someone really not watch a movie because it had a low score ona site like rotten tomatoes?

Also those are 11 reviews by "critics" who notoriously hate zack because thats one of the rules to be in the club.

[Socko]

Originally Posted by Law212

Would someone really not watch a movie because it had a low score ona site like rotten tomatoes?

Nope, I watch anything sci-fi, good or bad. I enjoy being taken off world to another place of fantasy.

Bring it on!

[Law212]

Originally Posted by Socko

Nope, I watch anything sci-fi, good or bad. I enjoy being taken off world to another place of fantasy.

Bring it on!

Same. Looks cool, but I am waiting for the full cuts as I dont want to watch the butchered editions netflix wanted.

[Ben_C]

Ugh, just like the first one, that’s another 2 hours of my life I won’t get back after being subjected to another turd from Snyder. Woeful film.

Some half decent visual effects don’t make up for just how rubbish every other element was - weak plot, derivative/uninteresting characters, laughable dialogue. Loved how the main character

[Show spoiler]decided to give herself a sharp haircut just mere minutes before the imminent baddie attack. Why?

Kurosawa would spin in his grave if he knew something this awful could be developed from his masterpiece.

[Prog5000]

Originally Posted by Law212

Would someone really not watch a movie because it had a low score ona site like rotten tomatoes?

Also those are 11 reviews by "critics" who notoriously hate zack because thats one of the rules to be in the club.

I’ll watch it. Probably tomorrow. Didn’t like the first and I’m not expecting much; it is Synder after all.

Must be a big club, it’s getting bashed by nearly everyone.

[residentgrigo]

Another Masterpiece in Disarray
I liked this cut of Part 2 more than Part 1. The novelization of Part 1 was great and it is based on the director´s cut. I hope that the final films won´t lose too much of the crazy after being pushed through the MPAA to secure an R. The most impressive aspect of this film is the Junkie XL 10/10 score, the least impressive aspect is the weird timeline of events and the clearly missing information. The living engines called Kali are only introduced in the full version of Part 1 for example but play also play a role here. AotD too had timeline issues but that film rocked while Rebel Moon simply plays. Well, the second half more or less rocks. Some of the timing issues are due to this being a compromised vision. Admiral Noble was my favorite character in Part 1 but is outshone in Part 2 by General Titus. A scene only in Part 1´s director´s cut is for example presented to have happened during the 5 days of prep the village has in Part 2. A main character will also die differently in the director's cut, something Snyder revealed in a post-screening Q&A so we are once again being dealt a VERY compromised vision on release. The dialogue flips between very strong and exposition.txt to name something split down the middle. Kurt Johnstad & Shay Hatten are no Chris Terrio or even David Goyer but their dialogue worked well through V. Castro´s filter in the novel.

And the action and cinematography? Mostly first class and the Vfx are equally strong! The current version´s one proper action scene is 50 minutes long. 300 on spray paint and chrome! (Known action scenes in flashbacks are cut to almost nothing outside of Kora´s tale.) To think that the real film will have an even longer climax, other action bits with varied settings and more complex balls-to-the-wall choreography that will push the gore as hard as the MPAA will allow. That´s why Snyder will never be out of work. None squeezes blood from a stone like him.

I wonder how much these films truly cost? If Snyder indeed managed to make 2 three hour films with alternative material (!) for 2 two hour cuts on top for only 80 something mil a piece then he needs to win a Producer´s Guild award. 2 Rebel 2 Moon: Bigger Longer Uncut drops both parts at once in fall 2024. If it´s as good as the book then we have an all-time cult classic on our hands and this second half is already good enough. Bring on the sequels. B-.
Part 1 gets a C (but not for long, its novel is a strong B+).

[HomerThompson]

Originally Posted by Ben_C

Ugh, just like the first one, that’s another 2 hours of my life I won’t get back after being subjected to another turd from Snyder. Woeful film.

Well you know the old saying…

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