PS3 vs Xbox 360

[Josh]

Attack the post, not the poster. Troublemakers will be removed if this persists.

[Sc430man]

The first article discusses the Cells power and limitations. Remember, before the Cell was introducted, many claims were made and very few made it to fruition. The Cell on paper holds promise but in excecution on the PS3 it lacks what everyone was touting earlier this year. Still a nice processor with potential, it will just take time and a lot of it for the gaming developers to learn to access it. Years in fact.
Plus there is the undeniable truth in image quality which is posted all over-just Google it. Almost every screenshot on the 360 vs PS3 vs PC duplicates my own testing. Next year perhaps things will be different, but by then two more generations of video cards will have been released for the PC.

[Sc430man]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

I give a technical site and you give me a gaming site?

No, I gave you this which you must have missed.
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardw...ict175675.html

Plus, I eagerly look forward to your own person comparisons/experiences. I gave you mine.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Sc430man

The first article discusses the Cells power and limitations. Remember, before the Cell was introducted, many claims were made and very few made it to fruition. The Cell on paper holds promise but in excecution on the PS3 it lacks what everyone was touting earlier this year. Still a nice processor with potential, it will just take time and a lot of it for the gaming developers to learn to access it. Years in fact.
Plus there is the undeniable truth in image quality which is posted all over-just Google it. Almost every screenshot on the 360 vs PS3 vs PC duplicates my own testing. Next year perhaps things will be different, but by then two more generations of video cards will have been released for the PC.

Those screenshots of RR7 on PS3 vs RR6 on X360 were a complete pile of sh!te (mind the language I am rather wasted). The PS3 was set to 1080p, but that wasn't mentioned in the article, and the X360 was set to 720p, is it surprising that the X360 beat out the PS3 when it had less pixels to process. The screenshots we saw were the same size, but the PS3 output was higher, neglecting to mention that is silly at best, or more likely purposely misleading at worst.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Sc430man

No, I gave you this which you must have missed.
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardw...ict175675.html

Plus, I eagerly look forward to your own person comparisons/experiences. I gave you mine.

I am not arguing that the PS3 is better than teh PC for gaming, I believe quite teh oppsite, PCs can easily be upgraded, I just bought a 8800GTX, C2D E6600 OC'd to 3.23GHz, and an Asus P5B delux Mobo for £550 (about $1050) and tha will beat out any PS3 or X360. The question at hand is, is PC at the same level for the same amount of money at this very point in time, and right now, the answer is no. In the future when GFX cards and octo core processors become cheaper then the balance will tip in favour of the PC but fpr now in term of pricing, the PC just cant compete.

[Sc430man]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

I am not arguing that the PS3 is better than teh PC for gaming, I believe quite teh oppsite, PCs can easily be upgraded, I just bought a 8800GTX, C2D E6600 OC'd to 3.23GHz, and an Asus P5B delux Mobo for £550 (about $1050) and tha will beat out any PS3 or X360. The question at hand is, is PC at the same level for the same amount of money at this very point in time, and right now, the answer is no. In the future when GFX cards and octo core processors become cheaper then the balance will tip in favour of the PC but fpr now in term of pricing, the PC just cant compete.

You have an nice system there. I had the same MB at one time. But, keep in mind I NEVER said the PC was better at the same price point. Where did you get that? I specifically stated that a HI END PC is better at gaming but it does cost alot of $$$$$$$$$$$. Read above. The question was never at the same price point which I already pointed out.

Now back to the screenshots, the games that I have come across except for NFS-C which is in the PS3's favor IMO -the 360 just looked better-period. Same TV. This is the same result that just about every single thread comparison out there on screenshots have come up with. RR7 is a very nice game and has some things the 360 version does not, but graphics wise the 360 version is better. But at least we agree on the PC vs game console issue. This does not mean all 360 games will look better, but so far they just do. Some games are about even such as COD. Again, I care less which is better since I have all of it anyhow and I would just get and hold onto the better version of whichever title comes out.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Sc430man

You have an nice system there. I had the same MB at one time. But, keep in mind I NEVER said the PC was better at the same price point. Where did you get that?

Now back to the screenshots, the games that I have come across except for NFS-C the 360 just looked better-period. Same TV. This the same result that just about every single thread comparison out there on screenshots have come up with. RR7 is a very nice game and has some things the 360 version does not, but graphics wise the 360 version is better. But at least we agree on the PC vs game console issue. This does not mean all 360 games will look better, but so far they just do. Some games are about even such as COD. Again, I care less which is better since I have all of it anyhow and I would just get and hold onto the better version of whichever title comes out.

Cheers, I spent my tax refund on kitting out my PC .

NFS-C is a 2nd gen game on the X360 as NFS-HP was out earlier, whereas Carbon is a 1st gen game on the PS3 so again it is an unfair comparison (which incidentally still comes out in favour of the PS3). You are right that at the moment games on the X360 look better than the on the PS3, take Gears of War for example (which I own, for now anyway), but I expect that will change in a couple of years or so and MS will rush out the 'XBox 520' with a hexa-core processor and R700 series GPU to compete just because they can (subsidised by Windows and Office obviously). Believe me the PS3 has superior hardware in the box and MS are scared of it, that is why they are paying websites and analysts for favourable publicity during the launch and ramp-up of the PS3.

[Sc430man]

Well, there are conspiracy theories everywhere on what Sony and MS are up to. I really do not look into those too much .Not as fascinating as say an alien abducting my PS3 or something. It is going to take some time for the PS3 games to really come out. I mean the really good ones that take advantage of it. Yes, GOW is an awesome 360 game-a bit short though but fair is fair and the 360 has been out for a while. But to add, I must say I like the controller on the 360 vs the PS3 which most agree with. Now the PS3 WAS supposed to have mouse support. A keyboard works fine, but I have yet to have a mouse work. This would be fantastic for FPS games as I prefer the mouse for aiming vs that little stick. This would really put the PS3 over the top IMO.

Really, all I care about is that Blu-Ray comes out on top as my $$$ is going into building that library and not games which come and go.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Sc430man

Well, there are conspiracy theories everywhere on what Sony and MS are up to. I really do not look into those too much .Not as fascinating as say an alien abducting my PS3 or something. It is going to take some time for the PS3 games to really come out. I mean the really good ones that take advantage of it. Yes, GOW is an awesome 360 game-a bit short though but fair is fair and the 360 has been out for a while. But to add, I must say I like the controller on the 360 vs the PS3 which most agree with. Now the PS3 WAS supposed to have mouse support. A keyboard works fine, but I have yet to have a mouse work. This would be fantastic for FPS games as I prefer the mouse for aiming vs that little stick. This would really put the PS3 over the top IMO.

Really, all I care about is that Blu-Ray comes out on top as my $$$ is going into building that library and not games which come and go.

I don't know about that, for me it doesn't cover any new ground (though the GFX are awesome), a mix of Halo and UT, a bit of 1st person, and a bit of 3rd person. For me it doesn't work (that is why I am about to trade my X360 in for a Wii, Zelda rocks), most FPS just are not for me and that is all that seems to be released on the X360.

So far I have to hand it to Sony, they have stuck to their promises for the PS3 and if they have said earlier that the will support KBM for FPS (which I would love being a PC gamer first) then they will add it in with a future firmware/software update. If they could get the mouse sorted we could even get RTS which no console can do at the moment, that would be a big bonus for the PS3 considering that the third Command and Conquer: Tiberian Twilight (I refuse to use the EA name 'Tiberium Wars') is going to be out in March '07.

[fragglerock585]

Originally Posted by Sc430man

Now the 360 has a very capable video card which is better then the PS3s. It is DX10 capable and equivalent to a R600 video card. Still not 8800GTX territory but very good otherwise.

NO NO NO NO NO. I will give you that the Xenos is likely more powerful and flexible than the RSX. HOWEVER. IT IS NOT AN R600! Not even close. Yes. it has uniform shaders. That DOES NOT make it DX10 compliant (more like 9.5). It DOES NOT make it an R600. Its codename is R500. Saying that it is an R600 or equivalent because of unified shaders is like saying my integra is a ferrari because they both have four wheels and a gas engine.

FURTHERMORE...the R600 is supposed to be significantly (and I believe it will be, barring a product refresh) more powerful than the 8800GTX.

Learn something before you begin to spread disinformation.

[jorg]

sorry but i stoped reading after the first page when that 360 and ps3 guy were going at it.

cell prosesor yes can be beat by a p3 at 800mhz but thats only for cerin applications(cell is not meant to be a general pourpus prosesorits more like a power pc prosesor comparing cell to x86 or x64 desktop prosesors is exaxtly like comparing a mac g4 prosesor with an intel p4

graphics yes the 360 has dx10 and ps3 dosent but when your making games in full hd and you have room for 50 gigs of data you can make dx9 look better then dx10 lol (360 has been doing a fab job with its hardwear) but with first gen ps3 game like resistance that already supass any 360 game so far taht has to say somthing



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know to answer origanal post yes the blu-ray disc is worth it because it means that your game can have more feturs better graphics larger levels
and longer games. its not just the resolution its the free space that lets game developers make there games more complicated. microsoft dosent release an external blu ray drive becuase it is comited to hd-dvd and even then i think sony will do what ever they can to not let dicksoft relase one. only if you change the xbox 360 program can u put in a bluray drive and even then you will have to wright programs to use it so generaly its like putting the 360s hd-dvd into an origanla x box u cant.

[jorg]

fragglerock585
the xbox 360 graphics card is 100% capable of dx10

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by jorg

fragglerock585
the xbox 360 graphics card is 100% capable of dx10

That is incredibly unlikely considering the X360 doesn't even run DX, it is as PPC foundation and DX is optimised for x86. Even if they ported DX9 to PPC for use in the X360, DX10 was made and designed well after the X360. The first designs for the X360 were out in March 05 (to the public) or before my memory is rather foggy, DX10 surfaced as WGF (Windows Graphics Foundation) in Longhorn/Vista around March 06.

One way of looking at it is to say that any graphics card can run DX10, but atm only the R600(ATI) and the 8800GT(X)(Nvidia) are optimised to run DX10 to its fullest. The R600 is still just a codename and probably won't be out until March/April time, and has been called by the head of Nvidia 'like putting lipstick on a pig'. The R600 just dumps the unified shader architecture on top of the original R500 core, whereas Nvidia have started from the ground up, and while the R600 is said to outperform the 8800GTX by about 10-15%, it is already maxed out for a single card config. The 8800GTX is said to be extremely underpowered and they have more scope for increasing the power and adding extra pipelines, more shaders, etc a lot easier than on the R600.

[partridge]

Originally Posted by Sc430man

I must say I like the controller on the 360 vs the PS3 which most agree with.

So what? I hate the 360 controller but I couldn't care if I'm in the minority or majority, it's personal preference.

Sorry, but this whole "discussion" reeks of "my console is better than yours" and should be locked.

[jorg]

Maxpower1987

sorry thats just what was published in maximum pc magizean

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by jorg

Maxpower1987

sorry thats just what was published in maximum pc magizean

Said magazine is for people who don't know hardware as well as many people on this board do, and for technophobes, you need a less mainstream magazine for real information, or the internet, xBit labs is a very good source of information.

[jorg]

i will check it out

[jorg]

can spome one closed this thread becuas eits getting way off topic!

[fragglerock585]

Originally Posted by jorg

fragglerock585
the xbox 360 graphics card is 100% capable of dx10

WRONG. The Xenos, aka R500 is not DX 10 compliant. DX10 compliant GPUs are "strongly recommended to have" (native) integer operations in their pipes, in addition to floating point, which is all the Xenos has. Furthermore, to be WGF2.0 (DX10) compliant, there needs to be unlimited length shaders (in relation to the entire memory pool), which the Xenos lacks. Therefore DX10 compilers for HLSL CANNOT be used, because there are no Cap bits in DX10, as there were in DX9. Therefore you are or are not compliant with the standard. The xenos is therefore not compliant and will see little gain, if any from DX10's mass use, as they must use proprietary compliers to leverage its use, which they already do.


Just know that this isnt a 360 knock, more like a correction of a pet peeve of people assuming the Xenos is a R600 because it has unified shaders and is made by ATI. It isnt even DX10. (lets call it DX9.9)

[victorvondoom88]

I have both and would say the PS3 in my book.
Once the game programmers get the new code writing down(PS3) there is just more potential with the PS3 than the 360 can offer due to the much larger disc capacity. Take Gears of War(360) for example, I completed the game in about 10hrs. to me that is weak yeah the game looks good but the levels are short and they used around 7gb of the disc. Just imagine what they could have done with 25-50gb. I know the 360 has the external HD-DVD drive but I think it only will play movies.
I have both consoles hooked up to my projector and the both look great, period. Oh yeah the PS3 also plays blu-ray without a external drive.