To Catch a Thief 4K UHD (Paramount Presents #3)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

And then get ready for:

Let people enjoy things/who cares/you don't speak for everyone/toxic anal nerds/shut up!!

I know I'm forgetting some but these are the classics.

Everyone's so ****ing predictable, but we've all got our own schtick. You'd think I'd be tired of it after 15 soul-sucking years on this forum, and the last 13 months have definitely made me question spending so much time on such a frivolous pursuit, but I can't unlearn what I've learned (and still make some occasional coin from QC'ing) and in the end it keeps me sane - even the troublemakers, cranks, socks, serial incompetents and gentleman trollers.

[whiteberry]

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

There is a LOT wrong with the 4K master(incorrect framing, green night sequences are now blue, heavy DNR) so I’m not expecting this to be a good disc. Will wait to see some reviews and most likely stick with my 2012 blu.

The night sequences are definitely inaccurate and the egregious use of DNR is inexcusable, although I'm not sure if the framing is "incorrect" at all.

Filmcolors has scans of three dye-transfer prints, and back when the remastered Blu-ray came out I did some screenshot comparisons between 1.85:1 extractions from those print scans (how the image was meant to be projected) and the Blu-rays. IIRC, the few 1.85:1 extractions from the prints that I compared basically lined up with the remaster or had slightly less image area than it (the remaster was opened up to 1.78:1).

Older home video masters will typically show more image area than what was intended to be shown, so it shouldn't be a cause for concern if a modern master shows less image area than an older Blu-ray or DVD master. I believe Paramount are using SMPTE framing charts for most of their remasters now so in most cases the tighter framing is going to be more accurate even if tops of heads or parts of insignificant background items aren't fully in the frame in certain instances.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

I know I'm forgetting some but these are the classics.

"I don't get what the fuss is about, looked good to me, but I'm not watching movies through a microscope looking for flaws!"

[Monterey Jack]

Please, God, don't fornicate this up.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

With the irony being this was shot on VistaVision which will net you a rather naice looking image provided it's been transferred in any way competently.


What if...the 4K actually has a good transfer and they don't want to look like idiots by having that disastrous PP BD in there? Nah, who am I kidding

That was actually my first thought, but then quickly dismissed it

[UHDLoverForever]

Originally Posted by ilenewoodsfan99

Slightly off topic, but that just leaves 2 Grace Kelly films that could potentially be given the 4K treatment: Dial M for Murder and High Society. Don't have as high hopes for the latter, but I could definitely see the former getting one later on. No chance for the rest of her films.

Dial M for Murder should not get an UHD any more than Jaws 3 did.

[UHDLoverForever]

Has anyone looked at how the 4K transfer of White Christmas looks in ITunes? Random question, but I'm curious.

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

The night sequences are definitely inaccurate and the egregious use of DNR is inexcusable, although I'm not sure if the framing is "incorrect" at all.

Filmcolors has scans of three dye-transfer prints, and back when the remastered Blu-ray came out I did some screenshot comparisons between 1.85:1 extractions from those print scans (how the image was meant to be projected) and the Blu-rays. IIRC, the few 1.85:1 extractions from the prints that I compared basically lined up with the remaster or had slightly less image area than it (the remaster was opened up to 1.78:1).

Older home video masters will typically show more image area than what was intended to be shown, so it shouldn't be a cause for concern if a modern master shows less image area than an older Blu-ray or DVD master. I believe Paramount are using SMPTE framing charts for most of their remasters now so in most cases the tighter framing is going to be more accurate even if tops of heads or parts of insignificant background items aren't fully in the frame in certain instances.

Hmm. I still say that some(maybe not all) of the comparisons I’ve seen look super tight. Though if Paramount somehow fixed the DNR and the night scenes I would definitely want to pick up this disc.

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

With the irony being this was shot on VistaVision which will net you a rather naice looking image provided it's been transferred in any way competently.


What if...the 4K actually has a good transfer and they don't want to look like idiots by having that disastrous PP BD in there? Nah, who am I kidding

That’s what I’m praying for, that they quietly release a fixed 4K disc and just not say anything about the previous release. But i don’t wanna get my hopes up lol

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by UHDLoverForever

Has anyone looked at how the 4K transfer of White Christmas looks in ITunes? Random question, but I'm curious.

It upgraded to 4K?? I had no idea. I've had it on iTunes for ages.

I'll check it out tonight.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

That’s what I’m praying for, that they quietly release a fixed 4K disc and just not say anything about the previous release.

What if it's the fixed 4K restoration but with bloody awful encode?

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by UHDLoverForever

Dial M for Murder should not get an UHD any more than Jaws 3 did.

Honestly, I have no problem with them releasing these 3-D films on 4K, as there's nothing wrong with oversampling. Dial M for Murder, Friday the 13th Part 3, Amityville 3-D, etc. Bring it on.

I wouldn't even have an issue with them releasing a UHD of a movie like Hell Night, where the OCN has been lost for decades and they were only left with theatrical prints. Let's preserve those prints in the highest possible quality. I say let's go, scan 'em in 4K!

It's just that with Jaws 3, Universal saw fit to blast it with (poor) AI upscaling. Hope that's not a trend that continues if other labels start putting these 3-D movies out in 4K. Or if they do, I just hope they do a much better job at it.

[PonyoBellanote]

Yeah.. the gal who is still (somehow) at work at Paramount restoring the movies still stands by the mess that was done with this, as she tried to defend it back then.. and the 4K digital is still the same mess.. yeah I'm not expecting a miracle. They're not gonna suddenly pull out of nowhere a fixed master for our sake just for the disc. No, not this one. Not Paramount. Not with the current one on board with the typical big executive pride.

[Torgon]

Originally Posted by traths

I guess this means a Ghost 4K is inevitable.

Ghost

[stvn1974]

I read that James Cameron, Peter Jackson and George Lucas are overseeing the restoration for this 4K UHD.

[traths]

Originally Posted by Torgon

Ghost

I guess I spoke too soon.

[MisterXDTV]

We are getting a VistaVision Hitchcock showdown

Warner vs Paramount:

North by Northwest vs To Catch a Thief

But we already know that Paramount is gonna fail big time

[Torgon]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

We are getting a VistaVision Hitchcock showdown

Warner vs Paramount:

North by Northwest vs To Catch a Thief

But we already know that Paramount is gonna fail big time

In the U.S., Warner will fail on their packaging (Artwrk will suck and no steelbook choice) for NBNW and Paramount will fail on the PQ as they already have.

[ilenewoodsfan99]

Originally Posted by whiteberry

Totally wasn't thinking of you and how much you want this when I brought that movie up in my post. Nope.