Convoy (1978) 4K UHD (Kino Studio Classics)

[sherlockjr]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Why are you moving the goalposts here? Who gives a shit about Lionsgate Limited? You brought up list prices as being imaginary because no one apparently sells them at that price. I pointed out that B&N clearly does, and you bring up...Lionsgate Limited?

The post I originally responded to said:

Can somebody explain to me why CONVOY 4K is retailing for $44.95 on Amazon? Sold off my Blu-ray and was about to pre-order this when I saw the price.

And I responded that no one will pay that price because Kino is selling it directly for $15 less and Amazon's price will go back down to reality before release date. Even Kino doesn't ever sell direct at their MSRP.

I then mentioned Lionsgate Limited as another example of a phony "MSRP" that they literally never charge and that no one else ever charges because LL is the one and only place you can buy those disks.

This has obviously turned into a pointless discussion not worth continuing. So I certainly won't!

[moviemaker]

Originally Posted by sherlockjr

Kino isn't selling it for $44.95 either. They're selling it for $29.89.

That list price is just an imaginary number, I wonder if anyone ever pays that much. The real mystery is why Amazon's algorithm is pricing it at that fake list of $44.95. That's what looks like price gouging.

However, recently I've seen on Amazon other disks from other labels first come out at the full, imaginary MSRP price for pre-orders and then come back down to reality long before the disk actually ships. Amazon's pre-order price guarantee means you'll pay the lowest price they ask between the time you order and the end of release day. For most disks--except some boutique "Limited Editions"--that usually ends up being significantly less than the MSRP.

That higher 4K price does allow Kino to ask for a couple bucks more for the newer disks during their quarterly sales, B&N 50% off sales, etc.

But if Kino were just jacking up prices in general, you'd expect them to do it on their more numerous BD releases. And those disk MSRP's remain the same.

I think I understand what your saying. I didn't see the Kino markdown until just now.

Amazon is using it more as a place holder but it allows Kino to inch up the price a little more if they choose to, maybe to cover the extra cost to sell on Amazon or the free shipping? Am I following that correctly?

[Show spoiler]

So if I order from Amazon, which I prefer, then it should price match the Kino Website price roughly, give or take a few bucks. Sometimes I've seen bigger disparages in prices between Amazon and Kino for older BD titles, maybe recent returns to the warehouse, not sure. As you pointed out, Amazon has some strange algorithim they are using to set prices separate from other retailers.

But to MifuneFan's point, new releases do seem to be creeping up in price. Maybe not as drastically as the Amazon listing. Still I appreciate the clarification.

[Dailyan]

Originally Posted by Dailyan

It will not.

I received my Imprint release today. I'm a bit disappointed that they used the older Kino Lorber master as a basis and just spliced in the print footage. Even though it's not ideal, with it having burnt-in Japanese subs, I would have rather that the print being shown "as-is" for a "grindhouse" appearance. Also, because the extended cut bits are really nothing that special (at least, for the price that Imprint was charging).

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by moviemaker

The tariff announcement appears to have become an excuse for retailers to gouge customers.

bingo!

[Rayjg]

Originally Posted by Dailyan

I received my Imprint release today. I'm a bit disappointed that they used the older Kino Lorber master as a basis and just spliced in the print footage. Even though it's not ideal, with it having burnt-in Japanese subs, I would have rather that the print being shown "as-is" for a "grindhouse" appearance. Also, because the extended cut bits are really nothing that special (at least, for the price that Imprint was charging).

Any significant additions like new scenes or is it a line of dialogue here and there?

[Dailyan]

Originally Posted by Rayjg

Any significant additions like new scenes or is it a line of dialogue here and there?

The majority of the cut bits are minor extensions of existing scenes. The newer scenes are insignificant (ex: a cutaway of a trucker in a bar, watching the news interviews, saying something along the lines of "I'm a trucker and I'm gonna join that convoy" and a slight-montage of trucks driving with Kristofferson singing in-character). The "Lost Convoy: 2024 Video Essay by Mike Siegel" extra talks and shows these deleted scenes.

[trip66]

Originally Posted by Rayjg

Any significant additions like new scenes or is it a line of dialogue here and there?

I did a breakdown on the Imprint thread:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...5&postcount=23

Just so everyone knows, most, but not all, of the extended scenes are in the features "The Lost Convoy" as well as the updated version of the "Passion and Poetry: Sam's Trucker Movie" documentary.

[MifuneFan]

This has been delayed to August 5th

https://kinolorber.com/product/convoy-4kuhd

[moviemaker]

Originally Posted by trip66

I did a breakdown on the Imprint thread:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...5&postcount=23

Just so everyone knows, most, but not all, of the extended scenes are in the features "The Lost Convoy" as well as the updated version of the "Passion and Poetry: Sam's Trucker Movie" documentary.

Great news! All those extras are worth a Day 1 pre-order on this.

To sum it up, what is Kino missing from the Imprint release?

[trip66]

Originally Posted by moviemaker

Great news! All those extras are worth a Day 1 pre-order on this.

To sum it up, what is Kino missing from the Imprint release?

The Kino is identical to the Studio Canal release. The Imprint release had all of this, but with the extended cut as a third disc, that was done exclusively for Imprint.

[mike siegel]

Originally Posted by trip66

I did a breakdown on the Imprint thread:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...5&postcount=23

Just so everyone knows, most, but not all, of the extended scenes are in the features "The Lost Convoy" as well as the updated version of the "Passion and Poetry: Sam's Trucker Movie" documentary.

Thanks for your kind words !!
I'm not here a lot anymore, too many negative waves (to quote KELLY'S HEROES )

[tankryankr19]

I can't wait to buy the Kino 4K, Imprint Imported was too rich for my blood

[mike siegel]

Originally Posted by trip66

The Kino is identical to the Studio Canal release. The Imprint release had all of this, but with the extended cut as a third disc, that was done exclusively for Imprint.

The new Franklyn Ajaye interview is also included on the KINO?

[trip66]

Originally Posted by mike siegel

The new Franklyn Ajaye interview is also included on the KINO?

Looks like its not! My mistake! He gave a great interview reflecting on filming the movie too!

[Egbert Souse]

The original United Artists logo is intact on both the 4K and Blu-ray disc of this release.

[trevorlj]

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[tankryankr19]

Just ordered my 4K Copy, I've yet to open the Standard BluRay Version I got a while back lol

[moviemaker]

Originally Posted by trip66

Looks like its not! My mistake! He gave a great interview reflecting on filming the movie too!

In your opinion, is the Imprint 4K release the one to get? And Kino a close second? Appreciate your insight.

[odlid]

The exclusive cut of the movie that Imprint does not have subtitles if that is a concern. I di enjoy it and felt comfortable with it being my choice but an extra fifty dollars for that and an extra interview might not work for everyone.

[trip66]

Originally Posted by moviemaker

In your opinion, is the Imprint 4K release the one to get? And Kino a close second? Appreciate your insight.

I haven't checked out the Kino 4k, but I'm going to assume its the same restoration as the Studio Canal/Imprint. The extended cut is really only worth it if you're a hardcore fan of the film as I am (I grew up watching this over and over again). The extra bits don't make or break the whole narrative of the film.