Why all the bad movies

[john_1958]

Would like to see snakes on plane in HD

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by john_1958

I disagree with Paladin
there are no bad movies On bluray he is being far to cynical and picky
maybe he perfers SD

BetaMax 4 ever!

I am not talking about PQ, I am talking about the actual film. There are bad movies on Blu Ray, like Ultraviolet. (I know the action sequences would be cool in HD, but the rest of the movie blows chunks.)

The question is, are the better titles being held back so the B movies can be sold at a higher rate if there was better quality films? Some have proposed that they are being used to test the system.

I noticed some Arnold movies coming to Blu Ray, many of them I picked out of the 2 for $11.00 bin at Wal-Mart. Are you really going to get them at $25.00 or $29.00?

Paladin0

[Shadowself]

Originally Posted by Paladin

BetaMax 4 ever!

I am not talking about PQ, I am talking about the actual film. There are bad movies on Blu Ray, like Ultraviolet. (I know the action sequences would be cool in HD, but the rest of the movie blows chunks.)

The question is, are the better titles being held back so the B movies can be sold at a higher rate if there was better quality films? Some have proposed that they are being used to test the system.

I noticed some Arnold movies coming to Blu Ray, many of them I picked out of the 2 for $11.00 bin at Wal-Mart. Are you really going to get them at $25.00 or $29.00?

Paladin0

As others have said, it's a matter of personal opinion as to what are good movies and what are not. You have your opinion and others have theirs.

Personally, I'd like to see more of the classics announced as being on Blu-ray in a completely remastered edition (both imagery and sound) -- even some of those in the 2.55:1 aspect ratios. I'd really like to see Lawrence of Arabia and such on Blu-ray, but you don't see me whining because Titanic comes out before LoA!

You clearly knock Ultraviolet. I actually liked the flick. I certainly won't put it up there with *any* of the classics, but I like it and won't knock that it is out on Blu-ray.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by Shadowself

You clearly knock Ultraviolet. I actually liked the flick. I certainly won't put it up there with *any* of the classics, but I like it and won't knock that it is out on Blu-ray.

I actually own the flick, and I regret buying it. Not only do I knock it, so do 92% of the movie reviewers out there. Yes, you can say it's a matter of personal opinion, but it's also the personal opinion of a lot of other people. When it comes to sales, it's not going to be a hot sell, and for $25.00 or $29.00 who are they kidding!

Many also miss the negatives that this approach will bring. After the desperate buy the movie, stores will be left with copies that will have to be sold at a loss, which will not make the retailers happy campers. We are fortunate that HD-DVD has the same problems.

Paladin

[MFS3Kiryu]

Originally Posted by Paladin

I actually own the flick, and I regret buying it. Not only do I knock it, so do 92% of the movie reviewers out there. Yes, you can say it's a matter of personal opinion, but it's also the personal opinion of a lot of other people. When it comes to sales, it's not going to be a hot sell, and for $25.00 or $29.00 who are they kidding!

Many also miss the negatives that this approach will bring. After the desperate buy the movie, stores will be left with copies that will have to be sold at a loss, which will not make the retailers happy campers. We are fortunate that HD-DVD has the same problems.

Paladin

Ultraviolet was one of the worst movies ever. Now if they release Equilibrium(better movie with the same director, better actors, better plot, better action sequences) on Blu-Ray, that'd be something.

But getting Ultraviolet is slightly better then getting Blood Rayne.

[phranctoast]

But getting Ultraviolet is slightly better then getting Blood Rayne.

This kinda funny that you mentioned this. I was about to say "you guys have no idea what a bad movies is"..... Anything from Uwe Boll sucks.

Ultraviolet wasnt that bad. please dont compare it to a Uwe Boll film. Anything..I repeat.....anyhing from that guy sucks. His scripts are so bad he makes decent actors look like crap. Bloodrayne was so bad I fealt myself cringing while watching it. The only good part was the sex scene, and...where the f did that come from. No build up. Just people bangin for no apparent reason.

"my friend is gone and I dont know where he has gone"....OMG i laughed so dman hard at that.

[MFS3Kiryu]

Originally Posted by phranctoast

This kinda funny that you mentioned this. I was about to say "you guys have no idea what a bad movies is"..... Anything from Uwe Boll sucks.

Ultraviolet wasnt that bad. please dont compare it to a Uwe Boll film. Anything..I repeat.....anyhing from that guy sucks. His scripts are so bad he makes decent actors look like crap. Bloodrayne was so bad I fealt myself cringing while watching it. The only good part was the sex scene, and...where the f did that come from. No build up. Just people bangin for no apparent reason.

"my friend is gone and I dont know where he has gone"....OMG i laughed so dman hard at that.

I was more disapointed with Ultraviolet because Equilibrium was so friggin good and I expected Ultraviolet to at least be almost on that level. But it was so far beneath.

Also, I wish that some of the killer reference movies as far as PQ go were good. I mean, yeah Pearl Harbor may look and sound amazing, but after watching it for free I was so disapointed that I wanted my time back, I can't imagine the feeling of paying $30+ for a BD release.

So far the the best(not best looking) BD releases in my opinion are:

Black Hawk Down
The Corpse Bride
Four Brothers
The Fifth Element
Full Metal Jacket
Gone In 60 Seconds
House of Flying Daggers
Kingdom of Heaven
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
A Knights Tale
Lord of War
Memento
Superman(I,II, Returns)
Terminator 1
Terminator 2

Some great movies, but there aren't many others I'd even buy on DVD, let alone Blu-Ray.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by MFS3Kiryu

.

But getting Ultraviolet is slightly better then getting Blood Rayne.

That makes be feel better, I keep seeing Blood Rayne cheap, and I keep asking myself, can it really be that bad? I guess I'll pass.

Paladin

[alysnyder]

I agree with Paladin. While I'm sure there is a good reason to release the "blockbusters" later rather than sooner, there really is a lot of just plain crap out on BD (ie. Underworld, Ultraviolet, Aeon Flux). It does seem as though the movies are improving as the weeks go on, and I am quite excited Reservoir Dogs and The Usual Suspects coming out in a few weeks. All we need now is a Star Wars box set!

[Knight-Errant]

Originally Posted by alysnyder

All we need now is a Star Wars box set!

As I'm sure you've all guessed I'm looking forward to that one LOL

[WingcommanderIV]

Dude. Did you just call Underworld a bad movie???

???

???

What's wrong with you...that movie is amazing.

Did you know the director is Kate Beckinsale's husband? It's true. Imagine being a nerd...obssessed with vampires and monsters and nerdy stuff, and having a super hot wife, who lets you film her in tight leather running around shooting werewolves, and drinking blood.

And yet, not once in the movie did I feel that she was being used for cheap sex appeal. It's a serious, epic action film about vampires, and werewolves, and awesome fight scenes. And the story was good to boot. The acting was awesome. The movie was amazing.

I signed up to this site just to say that...so there.

[Deciazulado]

"I feel somebody is watching me.."

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by WingcommanderIV

Dude. Did you just call Underworld a bad movie???

???

???

What's wrong with you...that movie is amazing.

Did you know the director is Kate Beckinsale's husband? It's true. Imagine being a nerd...obssessed with vampires and monsters and nerdy stuff, and having a super hot wife, who lets you film her in tight leather running around shooting werewolves, and drinking blood.

And yet, not once in the movie did I feel that she was being used for cheap sex appeal. It's a serious, epic action film about vampires, and werewolves, and awesome fight scenes. And the story was good to boot. The acting was awesome. The movie was amazing.

I signed up to this site just to say that...so there.

[NuSoardGraphite]

Originally Posted by Paladin

That makes be feel better, I keep seeing Blood Rayne cheap, and I keep asking myself, can it really be that bad? I guess I'll pass.

Paladin

Thats what I thought, but remember this one thing above all else....Its an Uwe Bolle film. That means its worse than you can possibly imagine.

I finally got a chance to see Bloodrayne on Showtime a few weeks ago and well...it was almost as bad as Highlander II: The Quickening, which is the worst film I've ever seen.

And I'm a fan of BloodRayne. Bloodrayne 2 being one of my favorite action games last generation.

[KenThompson]

Originally Posted by alysnyder

I agree with Paladin. While I'm sure there is a good reason to release the "blockbusters" later rather than sooner, there really is a lot of just plain crap out on BD (ie. Underworld, Ultraviolet, Aeon Flux). It does seem as though the movies are improving as the weeks go on, and I am quite excited Reservoir Dogs and The Usual Suspects coming out in a few weeks. All we need now is a Star Wars box set!

Underworld is a fabulous flick. How can you not want to watch Kate in tight leather.It was the 1st bd I bought and I eagerly await the the first Underword.

[view-it-blu]

Their are plenty of good movies.(Underworld & Blackhawk Down) also some one mentioned Titanic as a major release, where I feel movies like Army of Darkness that had been released and Rocky Horror Picture Show that has not been released that are cult classics would do more to sell players than a main stream chick flick.

You will notice that universal is not willing to put their flagship director, aka; steven spielburg anywhere near HD DVD and he has been putting out their blockbusters since 1975.

[Dave Mack]

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/titanic/

85% on RottenTomatoes.com, won a zillion awards and made the most $ of any film. Titanic might not be to one's liking but to say that it is a "bad" film goes against what most people and critics and academy voters in the world thought.


http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...712190303/1023

4 stars from Ebert. A great review with many good points.


"James Cameron's 194-minute, $200 million film of the tragic voyage is in the tradition of the great Hollywood epics. It is flawlessly crafted, intelligently constructed, strongly acted and spellbinding. If its story stays well within the traditional formulas for such pictures, well, you don't choose the most expensive film ever made as your opportunity to reinvent the wheel...

Movies like this are not merely difficult to make at all, but almost impossible to make well. The technical difficulties are so daunting that it's a wonder when the filmmakers are also able to bring the drama and history into proportion. I found myself convinced by both the story and the saga. The setup of the love story is fairly routine, but the payoff--how everyone behaves as the ship is sinking--is wonderfully written, as passengers are forced to make impossible choices. Even the villain, played by Zane, reveals a human element at a crucial moment (despite everything, damn it all, he does love the girl)."

A GREAT review from The New York Times...

http://www.nytimes.com/library/film/...lm-review.html

"Very much to Cameron's credit is the lack of logistical confusion. Indeed, the film's modern-day characters even watch a computerized version of how the ship split and then rose vertically just before it plunged straight down, events that are later re-enacted with awesome power. Despite all this advance information and the revelation that Rose lives to be 101, "Titanic" still sustains an extraordinary degree of suspense.

Tiny, devastating touches -- how the same doll whose face rests on the ocean floor in 1996 is clutched in the arms of a pretty little girl who idolizes Jack, or a four-hanky coda seen in Rose's dream -- work as well as the film's big spectacle in giving the tragedy of "Titanic" its full dramatic impact. Though many of the story's minor characters are one-note (hardly the case with Kathy Bates's hearty Molly Brown or Bernard Hill's brave captain), the cumulative effect of their presence is anything but shallow.

Beyond its romance, "Titanic" offers an indelibly wrenching story of blind arrogance and its terrible consequences. It's the rare Hollywood adventure film that brings mythic images of tragedy -- the fall of Icarus, the ruin of Ozymandias -- so easily to mind.

The irony is that Cameron's "Titanic" is such a Titanic in its own right, a presumptuous reach for greatness against all reasonable odds. The film itself gambles everything on visual splendor and technological accomplishment, which is one reason its extravagance is fully justified on screen. But if Cameron's own brazenness echoes that seen in his story, remember the essential difference. This "Titanic" is too good to sink. "

People were definitely Titanic'd out months after the film came out and it became kind of trendy in circles to bash it. But the first few weeks I saw it a few times and you could hear a pin drop in the theater after the ship sank. Nobody talking, everyone glued to the screen and some weeping. Was an amazing moviegoing experience. Yes, a few months later after the Radio had played Celine for the millionth time everone was over it. But the film on it's own, away from the marketing and hype is a pretty impressive piece of old school, shamelessly romantic cinema. Worked for me, for most people and for most critics...




but what do I know...?

[john_1958]

Originally Posted by WingcommanderIV

Dude. Did you just call Underworld a bad movie???

???

???

What's wrong with you...that movie is amazing.

Did you know the director is Kate Beckinsale's husband? It's true. Imagine being a nerd...obssessed with vampires and monsters and nerdy stuff, and having a super hot wife, who lets you film her in tight leather running around shooting werewolves, and drinking blood.

And yet, not once in the movie did I feel that she was being used for cheap sex appeal. It's a serious, epic action film about vampires, and werewolves, and awesome fight scenes. And the story was good to boot. The acting was awesome. The movie was amazing.

I signed up to this site just to say that...so there.

I agree Kate has sex appeal
everybody else does is on drugs

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Dave Mack

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/titanic/

85% on RottenTomatoes.com, won a zillion awards and made the most $ of any film. Titanic might not be to one's liking but to say that it is a "bad" film goes against what most people and critics and academy voters in the world thought.

I loved Titanic. I'm a Cameron fan, and I admire him for even trying to mount an epic like that. But, the best picture of that year was LA Confidential.

Both would be great on HD. Although clearly Titantic screams HD.

Gary

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by alysnyder

I agree with Paladin. While I'm sure there is a good reason to release the "blockbusters" later rather than sooner, there really is a lot of just plain crap out on BD (ie. Underworld, Ultraviolet, Aeon Flux). It does seem as though the movies are improving as the weeks go on, and I am quite excited Reservoir Dogs and The Usual Suspects coming out in a few weeks. All we need now is a Star Wars box set!

Standard procedure. The same thing happened for DVD. People complained the exact same way. People have no patience. But, they have less tolerance for poor offerings.

So, the studios use the B-titles to train everyone on the work flow. If they mess up, well the title wasn't that great anyway. If they do great work, then they sell a good number of copies (with people complaining they are buying it because of the lack of good titles) and they still sell the good titles later.

The Fifth Element shows what happens if the studio isn't careful. If that were some meaningless title, would people have made a big deal?

Gary