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Old 04-11-2008, 11:09 PM   #1
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Am I the only person that wasn't a fan of Brokeback Mountain? Maybe I was just angry because the score won for it's random guitar plucks, but to me the movie was a whole lot of nothing.
Brokeback Mountain is quite overrated. I think people are giving it a little more credit than it rightly deserves because it's a very daring movie. It most definitely has some problems with it that you are not alone on. While Heath Ledger's performance was great, he mumbles a little too much, and when you actually can hear him, his accent sounds a little too forced and unrealistic; not that I'm putting him down in any way: I respect him heaps and he gave a great performance. While I heard it was a sad movie, and while I believed it would be sad, I was let down by something that really bugged me towards the end; Ennis didn't seem to care all that greatly about Jack's death, especially when he has shown to care greatly about Jack concerning about some quite minor things. It is overrated, but that doesn't in any way mean it's a bad film, and I do truly love it; it's one of my favourites ever and will buy it the second it's released on Blu.
 
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Prick Up Your Ears. No HD-worthy eyecandy, just an interesting story about an under-appreciated British dramatist and some great performances from Gary Oldman & Alfred Molina.
 
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You tell 'em David! What a loooozzzzeeeerr.
 
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nycomet................. always good for a chuckle.
 
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Not necessarily. But a threadcrapper.

Tales of the City would be bril, too.
 
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Just because that person doesn't want to see any movies that deal with homosexuality, that makes him/her a homophobe? I don't want to see any of those movies either, not because I don't think the genre shouldn't exist but that I just can't relate to it at all, and I hate to break it to you but not everyone can. There is a difference between intolerance and simply not caring about movies like "Brokeback Mountain".
 
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Just because that person doesn't want to see any movies that deal with homosexuality, that makes him/her a homophobe? I don't want to see any of those movies either, not because I don't think the genre shouldn't exist but that I just can't relate to it at all, and I hate to break it to you but not everyone can. There is a difference between intolerance and simply not caring about movies like "Brokeback Mountain".
There are any number of Love Stories that involve two people who cannot fully be involved, who cannot fully love one another, who cannot fully be together, because of their families (Romeo and Juliet), or their ethnic differences, religious differences, or societal differences. I could certainly say that, as a gay man, I just don't relate to those stories and don't find them interesting enough to watch a play or movie about those kinds of relationships if they are about a man and a woman.

Brokeback Mountain ought to have resonance with any number of people simply because it's about two people who cannot be with the one they love primarily because of fear (even if this fear is mainly from Ennis and not from Jack).

I simply do not understand how a person doesn't find something in that film to empathize with. It's no less a tragedy than Romeo and Juliet or any number of other films about unrequited love.

Even a light comedy such as HITCH (that I watched over the weekend in Blu-ray) was about two damaged people who almost let their fears and previous failures at love keep them from true happiness and love. In Brokeback Mountain, Ennis simply could not lift himself above his upbringing and his life to live with the man he clearly loved and, eventually, lost.

Will Smith's character in HITCH finally did break through his fears and past failure to find true happiness with another human being (a woman in this case). Heath Ledger's character in BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN didn't do so in time to permanently be with Jack.

However, at the very end, when Ennis is finally willing to lose his job to attend his daughter's wedding, the viewer gets a least a glimpse of the possibility that he's finally breaking through his own sense of isolation and fear to reach out fully to another human being, even it's too late for him and Jack.

If you've never made mistakes in love, if you've never had any regrets, ever, or never had any fears or failures, I suppose these types of films will not resonate. But somehow I doubt that's true.

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There are any number of Love Stories that involve two people who cannot fully be involved, who cannot fully love one another, who cannot fully be together, because of their families (Romeo and Juliet), or their ethnic differences, religious differences, or societal differences. I could certainly say that, as a gay man, I just don't relate to those stories and don't find them interesting enough to watch a play or movie about those kinds of relationships if they are about a man and a woman.

Brokeback Mountain ought to have resonance with any number of people simply because it's about two people who cannot be with the one they love primarily because of fear (even if this fear is mainly from Ennis and not from Jack).

I simply do not understand how a person doesn't find something in that film to empathize with. It's no less a tragedy than Romeo and Juliet or any number of other films about unrequited love.

Even a light comedy such as HITCH (that I watched over the weekend in Blu-ray) was about two damaged people who almost let their fears and previous failures at love keep them from true happiness and love. In Brokeback Mountain, Ennis simply could not lift himself above his upbringing and his life to live with the man he clearly loved and, eventually, lost.

Will Smith's character in HITCH finally did break through his fears and past failure to find true happiness with another human being (a woman in this case). Heath Ledger's character in BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN didn't do so in time to permanently be with Jack.

However, at the very end, when Ennis is finally willing to lose his job to attend his daughter's wedding, the viewer gets a least a glimpse of the possibility that he's finally breaking through his own sense of isolation and fear to reach out fully to another human being, even it's too late for him and Jack.

If you've never made mistakes in love, if you've never had any regrets, ever, or never had any fears or failures, I suppose these types of films will not resonate. But somehow I doubt that's true.
I agree with you 100-percent. Good insight.
 
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One thing is certain, this thread (thank you Marcus) has revealed that there are many, many gay people on this forum.
 
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Just because that person doesn't want to see any movies that deal with homosexuality, that makes him/her a homophobe? I don't want to see any of those movies either, not because I don't think the genre shouldn't exist but that I just can't relate to it at all, and I hate to break it to you but not everyone can. There is a difference between intolerance and simply not caring about movies like "Brokeback Mountain".
I'm gay and I have no interest in ever seeing Brokeback again. But I did give it one chance...I just couldn't relate nor empathize with it.
 
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[quote]Can you please elaborate on how The X-Men Trilogy strikes a gay chord?/quote]

Hiding who you really are from a society that dissaproves for one thing

It's a big reason why Bryan Singer took the job
 
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Can you please elaborate on how The X-Men Trilogy strikes a gay chord?/quote]

Hiding who you really are from a society that dissaproves for one thing

It's a big reason why Bryan Singer took the job
Very nice Wicky. I never picked up on that perspective. An excellent analogy for many social issues we still need to overcome with intelligence, lack of pre-judging and undeniable acceptance in society.
 
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I'm gay and I have no interest in ever seeing Brokeback again. But I did give it one chance...I just couldn't relate nor empathize with it.
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Just because that person doesn't want to see any movies that deal with homosexuality, that makes him/her a homophobe? I don't want to see any of those movies either, not because I don't think the genre shouldn't exist but that I just can't relate to it at all, and I hate to break it to you but not everyone can. There is a difference between intolerance and simply not caring about movies like "Brokeback Mountain".

Being a straight male I find it very hard to watch 2 men kissing... It is just not for me at all.. not a homophobe tho, I work in a resteraunt with a gay guy and me and him get along just fine. I would probably just never hang out with him and his boyfriend, lol.
 
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Being a straight male I find it very hard to watch 2 men kissing... It is just not for me at all.. not a homophobe tho, I work in a resteraunt with a gay guy and me and him get along just fine. I would probably just never hang out with him and his boyfriend, lol.
There's far more than just "2 men kissing" in BROKEBACK.
 
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There's far more than just "2 men kissing" in BROKEBACK.
Amazingly, straight guys are turned off by two men kissing. Yet they get off seeing two women kissing. I wonder why?
 
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The question is this:

What movies are out there that deal with homosexuality and which ones would you like to see on Blu?
Can it be lesbosexuality to.

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