Bad Mix: Blu-ray DVDs on Plasma TV

[finalfantasy]

Originally Posted by sokrman14

Audioholics did a recent review on the Panasonic 50" 1080p professional plasma, which can also be for consumer use. He left his computer without a screen saver on it over night, and had not even a trace of burn in. It is just something that people look into too much. A movie will not be a problem, nor will a videogame. Get a good name brand and you will have no problem, not crap like vizio or funai or sampo.

You get what you pay for...

Besides, do any of you really think you will own your plasma or LCD for 10+ years? With modern technology and its exponential growth, there is no way I will watch out dated technology for more than 3-4 years...

When I purchase these HDTVs, I purchase them knowing I will want the next great thing in another 4 years or so...so, I purchase the insurance plan, and enjoy the heck out of my Plasma/LCD and buy another...plain and simple...

Do the math...if you spend 2000-3000 every 4 years is about 500-700 dollars per year to enjoy TV/movies/games to the max!!! I mean, we spend that kind of money per month on cars that we drive to the ground!!!

Perspective people perspective...look at long term effects...Plasmas are show stoppers and few hundred dollars a year is nothing for enjoying HPOOP to the max...if you need to, just quit smoking and you can justify brand new set every 4 years...

I mean, I am already preparing for my first OLED unit!!!

[Exodus]

I purchased a Hitachi plasma last Holiday season and read all about burn in and was a bit worried about it at first. I ran the breakin dvd mentioned above till I hit about 100 hours and after that I just watched the set at lower then normal settings for another 100 hours or so. During this time I played a lot of Resistance on the PS3 and the plasma started getting some image retention pretty badly from the life meter after about 30 mins of play. I would swtich to normal tv programs and after about 5 minutes everything was back to normal.

I have over 1000 hours on the plasma now and I still get image retention when watching widescreens but not nearly as badly as I was when it was brand new. Point being, burn in is not quite an issue of the past but it is much harder to do with newer panals. Yeah, it stinks having to run it on lower settings for a little bit but it will pay off in the end. However, if it really does worry you, exchange it for a LCD. Many LCDS out there are great! I just think the title is a bit misleading, even dvds have the black bars!

[The Don]

Originally Posted by finalfantasy

You get what you pay for...

Besides, do any of you really think you will own your plasma or LCD for 10+ years? With modern technology and its exponential growth, there is no way I will watch out dated technology for more than 3-4 years...

When I purchase these HDTVs, I purchase them knowing I will want the next great thing in another 4 years or so...so, I purchase the insurance plan, and enjoy the heck out of my Plasma/LCD and buy another...plain and simple...

Do the math...if you spend 2000-3000 every 4 years is about 500-700 dollars per year to enjoy TV/movies/games to the max!!! I mean, we spend that kind of money per month on cars that we drive to the ground!!!

Perspective people perspective...look at long term effects...Plasmas are show stoppers and few hundred dollars a year is nothing for enjoying HPOOP to the max...if you need to, just quit smoking and you can justify brand new set every 4 years...

I mean, I am already preparing for my first OLED unit!!!

you are talking about some people on this forum..

more than half the people out there get a new TV every 8+ years..maybe 7..

[Razzy]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

This is an example of a cropped Scope area into 16:9.

Compare to full image above

Great. Now I want The Matrix movies more than ever.

That being said, give me the OAR any day. I want to see what the director originally intended with none of the image missing due to cropping.

[GreenMotion]

Originally Posted by The Don

you are talking about some people on this forum..

more than half the people out there get a new TV every 8+ years..maybe 7..

I don't think that is the case. Being audio/video philes as we are, I doubt most of us will have their current TV for more than 4 years.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by GreenMotion

I don't think that is the case. Being audio/video philes as we are, I doubt most of us will have their current TV for more than 4 years.

I am talking about people in the real world...I wasn't talking about the audio/video philes...

I mean the average person who is just now or haven't yet purchased a HDTV...

[SAFOOL]

Most of my tv watching is done using stretch-o-vision so that I avoid any burn in issues. When I watch a bluray movie or a true HD show/movie on DTV its OAR all the way. The mix limits my burn in concern.

[The Don]

yeah...playing DVD's on a Blu-ray player looks like crap..

just put Blu-ray discs in there...you should be good...

[Sling]

I own a Samsung Plasma and have been viewing Blu-ray for over 6 months 8 movies a week and there is no black bar burnin.
For those that say there getting burnin...Turn your contrast from 100% down to 75% and enjoy that crisp plasma picture.

[Sonny]

Burn-in with Plazzy's today is a thing of the past, i've never had a problem with burn-in & I have Ps3's & game alot, i'm on one of my Ps3's & my 65'' Panny Plazzy typing this out right now Burn-in is just for the "haters"

[ThaBigDxIAx]

I recently purchased the Samsung FP-T6374 63 inch 1080P Plasma and my previous tv was the 50 inch 1080i version! The picture has much deeper colors and crisper picture than any LCD ive seen! People are referring to several years old news about burn-in! I play many hours of games, watch widescreen dvds and blu-rays, and pause tv! Never once have had a problem with burn-in! I dont understand why LCD's are becomming more popular probably because of fear i guess! Do your research and you will be fine. Always have and always will be a Plasma supporter!

[turboLAZER]

I love my panasonic plasma. i've had it for 2 years and still do not have any permanent image retention. I alot of the "burn in" issues come from cheap chinese plasma tv's. and a lot of the fear the consumers experience come from the FUD that the LCD supporters spread. I can't stand the motion blur from LCD's . I would much rather risk the slim chance of burn in , than live with the permanent problem of 4-8ms response time of the typical LCD(and 120hz is not a solution to response time). panasonic's website explains their reasoning for only using plasma for their flat panel big screens.

[PlayStationGuy]

Originally Posted by The Don

exactly...the whole thing with plasma's that I thought was common knowledge is "they have superior PQto LCD" and they "have a shorter shelf life than LCD"

it's not as black and white as that...(or maybe it is?)...but it's an easy way to explain it...

Plasma HDTVs DO NOT have a shorter life than LCDs. I don't know if you are referring to old sets but a brand name plasma should provide about 60, 000 hours of viewing more or less which I have been told is the same on any television. The older sets had less than half of that life expectancy. As for burn-in protection wearing out your television sooner, a few minutes of using the Scrolling feature isn't going to change a thing. These types of popular beliefs are the driving force behind consumer fear of plasma televisions and I am glad to see many awesome comments coming in from owners of plasma HDTVs about their satisfaction with this often misunderstood technology.

PlayStationGuy

[PlayStationGuy]

Originally Posted by Sonny

Burn-in with Plazzy's today is a thing of the past, i've never had a problem with burn-in & I have Ps3's & game alot, i'm on one of my Ps3's & my 65'' Panny Plazzy typing this out right now Burn-in is just for the "haters"

I'm also typing on a PS3, Sonny. lol

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by turboLAZER

I love my panasonic plasma. i've had it for 2 years and still do not have any permanent image retention. I alot of the "burn in" issues come from cheap chinese plasma tv's. and a lot of the fear the consumers experience come from the FUD that the LCD supporters spread. I can't stand the motion blur from LCD's . I would much rather risk the slim chance of burn in , than live with the permanent problem of 4-8ms response time of the typical LCD(and 120hz is not a solution to response time). panasonic's website explains their reasoning for only using plasma for their flat panel big screens.

We dont worry about refresh rates or burn-in gotta love that, & dont get me wrong I have 2 LCD's 1 Panny & 1 Sony XBR & there sweet too, but the Plazzy's just give me (& so many others) a drop dead gorgeous picture that gets you all warm & fuzzy inside every time you turn it on.

[turboLAZER]

Originally Posted by Sonny

We dont worry about refresh rates or burn-in gotta love that, & dont get me wrong I have 2 LCD's 1 Panny & 1 Sony XBR & there sweet too, but the Plazzy's just give me (& so many others) a drop dead gorgeous picture that gets you all warm & fuzzy inside every time you turn it on.

The only people who say bad things about plasmas are people who have never owned one. I work as a cable guy(repairs only) for the local cable company, and i'm getting a little tired of customers complaining about the blurring when people move on their fancy new LCD and HD box. It's funny, i've never had to explain response time to a plasma owner.

[JasonR]

Never had a problem with response time on my LCD?

[jcs913]

Originally Posted by BTBuck1

Burn in is still a problem with these plasma TV's and the black bars will cause uneven wear on the phospors. I owned a plasma for a couple of years and while I never had anything permanent, i had hundreds of temp burns...turning the tv off does not eliminate it...varied watching does.

We have permanently ruined several sets at Best Buy, mostly Pioneer sets just from the station icons during the loop/feed. You can see ESPNHD burned in on one pioneer and a compilation of several ghosted in images on another. We tryed moving the set to a dedicated hometheatre setup up and while it did fade away mostly, it was still there.

Even LCD tv's can be burned in, despite popular belief...it just takes extreme irresponisbility and time to do so.

as a former owner of a plasma...i do not reccomend the technology to anyone who wants more than 2 years of good PQ out of their purchase. These things fade out quickly. Initially they are show stoppers, but quickly become very flat and washed out even when calibrated off the factory torch modes.

It sounds like you work for BB. If you are talking about recent Pioneer plasma's, why didn't you have the orbiter on? Your guys there should know to always put this on, but even at the Magnolia near my house, none of the Pioneers had it on. Shows the training they had. People should know that, a properly 'broke in' plasma will have almost no susceptability to any burn. Once the cells, which are made of phosphor, are 'broken in' (200 hours or so) they are just as susceptible to any burn as an LCD is.

I had a Panny plasma for 3 years and never had a problem, because I did a small amount of research to make sure I was covered. I still own it and bought a new Pioneer this year and love it. I am just about done with my 200 hour break in. Question for any new plasma owner; does anyone use a 'break-in' disc to help the process? Probably not, and have never heard of one. I have several friends that have Plasmas for several years and have never had problems, let alone any type of fading. People come on all these forums and either do not understand how to properly break in their sets (Plasma or LCD), or don't care, then they complain about the problems they have. You wouldn't take a brand new car and drive it across the country, then why play your PS3 for 6 hours when you first get that new shiny tv? Patience pays off. The games and movies are not going anywhere. I assume everyone knows minor maintenance for their car? Why not for a $2k+ monitor? Simple things help.

My .02 cents..