Heath Ledger... (posthumously) Oscar-bound

[Charles3669]

Originally Posted by TTUBatfan2008

But Bardem can win for playing virtually the same kind of character, simply because the movie wasn't a comic book movie? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. The Academy are a bunch of pretentious, hypocritical pricks. Always have been, always will be.

Bardems character was nothing like the joker. Whats the similarities? They are both serial killers? Hannibal Lecter is a serial killer too. Hes not like the joker. So is Rod Steigers character is No Way to Treat a Lady he not like the joker. And I agree the academy is BS there are soooo many injustices within the academy I dont even know where to start. But all Im saying is this performance isnt one nowhere near as good as the godfather, dogday afternoon, there will be blood, its just the joker.

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by Charles3669

its just the joker.

Which is a character that has been a staple of American culture for decades . . . because it's a crappy character? Comic books use the same roots as every other great film or book. No reason to exclude comic content because it's a comic book.

[juha]

Originally Posted by Charles3669

Listen ledger is over rated. Im not saying hes a bad joker, Im saying he has gotten blown way out of proportion. Nobody cared about him in the patriot, the brothers grimm, casanova, and whatever else he made. And you can't judge an actor by the oscars. Anyone with half a brain knows the oscars are bs. Yeah that stupid american idol has one but sir peter otoole who has dedicated his life to theater and has been in literally some of the greatest films of all time, in the entire history of film has how many oscars? 0. So please the oscars are a sham. Thats why legendary actor george c scott refused both of his, because he knew it was bs. And why brando gave his back for waterfront, and turned down his for the godfather. So if all you have is peter travers who helps summer ticket sales because it makes him, the magazine, and the studio money your argument is poor.

Great in CANDY

Great in MONSTER'S BALL

Perfect in BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN

No, I believe it's YOUR argument that is poor.

J

[That Purple Stuff]

Dude is a Batman Fanboy and coming on here and something negative is said about his precious movie and he goes ballistic. Typical Fanboys

[Blu-Malibu2009]

Originally Posted by Charles3669

Bardems character was nothing like the joker. Whats the similarities? They are both serial killers? Hannibal Lecter is a serial killer too? Hes not like the joker. So is Rod Steigers character is No Way to Treat a Lady he not like the joker. And I agree the academy is BS there are soooo many injustices within the academy I dont even know where to start. But all Im saying is this performance isnt one nowhere near as good as the godfather, dogday afternoon, there will be blood, its just the joker.

Just the Joker? That is ridiculous. The Joker is one of the most iconic villains in American fiction.

As for the Academy, look no further than the 2008 awards when Zodiac got completely snubbed. Not a single nomination. That movie was great on many levels. I expected it to get perhaps an acting nomination (Downey Jr. and Ruffalo were great) and some technical award nominations. But it got no nominations. Zilch. Norbit even got a nomination (makeup).

[Charles3669]

Originally Posted by BStecke

Which is a character that has been a staple of American culture for decades . . . because it's a crappy character?

What are you talking about? I didnt say it was a crappy character read my previous posts.

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by That Purple Stuff

Dude is a Batman Fanboy and coming on here and something negative is said about his precious movie and he goes ballistic. Typical Fanboys

No, it's because your arguments are weak and you're trying to pass off your opinion as fact, and the few facts you provide aren't even correct.

Originally Posted by Charles3669

What are you talking about? I didnt say it was a crappy character read my previous posts.

I didn't say you did . . . I think you missed the point.

[Blu-Malibu2009]

Originally Posted by That Purple Stuff

Dude is a Batman Fanboy and coming on here and something negative is said about his precious movie and he goes ballistic. Typical Fanboys

Seems to me you have made up your mind that you hate the movie without even seeing it. You're a far bigger fanboy than me. I am nervous about the film and cautious about it. Hoping it's good, but not taking anything for granted. It could very well suck.

[That Purple Stuff]

Originally Posted by BStecke

No, it's because your arguments are weak and you're trying to pass off your opinion as fact, and the few facts you provide aren't even correct.

What have I tried to say was a fact? Besides the fact that his death has hyped this movie up by 100%

[Blu-Malibu2009]

Originally Posted by That Purple Stuff

What have I tried to say was a fact? Besides the fact that his death has hyped this movie up by 100%

That he's a bad actor. You called that a fact when it is actually your own opinion.

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by That Purple Stuff

What have I tried to say was a fact? Besides the fact that his death has hyped this movie up by 100%

The hype for this movie has been in full swing since it was announced. Any fan of Batman Begins didn't need Ledger's death to further amplify their anticipation. A non-fan of Batman Begins, or Batman in general, isn't going to see the movie just because the star died. Otherwise The Crow would have been a lot bigger than it was.

Originally Posted by TTUBatfan2008

That he's a bad actor. You called that a fact when it is actually your own opinion.

And that REALLY obvious instance.

[That Purple Stuff]

Originally Posted by That Purple Stuff

Wrong. Alot of people will love it, few people will hate it. But Oscar Worthy? No, guarantee it, and it will be settled tomorrow

Originally Posted by TTUBatfan2008

Seems to me you have made up your mind that you hate the movie without even seeing it. You're a far bigger fanboy than me. I am nervous about the film and cautious about it. Hoping it's good, but not taking anything for granted. It could very well suck.

Show me one thing I said that says I hate the movie. Why would I go to an advanced screening of a movie I hate?

[Blu-Malibu2009]

Originally Posted by That Purple Stuff

Show me one thing I said that says I hate the movie. Why would I go to an advanced screening of a movie I hate?

You have openly said you hope the movie flops. As for your question, you're the only one who can answer that.

[That Purple Stuff]

Originally Posted by BStecke

The hype for this movie has been in full swing since it was announced. Any fan of Batman Begins didn't need Ledger's death to further amplify their anticipation. A non-fan of Batman Begins, or Batman in general, isn't going to see the movie just because the star died. Otherwise The Crow would have been a lot bigger than it was.

Before his death, people thought of it as the movie to see in 2008, post death, its all of a sudden the best movie of all time.

[That Purple Stuff]

Originally Posted by TTUBatfan2008

You have openly said you hope the movie flops. As for your question, you're the only one who can answer that.

Yeah I hope it flops money wise because I hate bandwaggon Fanboys. I never said I hope it sucks

Stop being a prick

[Charles3669]

Originally Posted by TTUBatfan2008

Just the Joker? That is ridiculous. The Joker is one of the most iconic villains in American fiction.

As for the Academy, look no further than the 2008 awards when Zodiac got completely snubbed. Not a single nomination. That movie was great on many levels. I expected it to get perhaps an acting nomination (Downey Jr. and Ruffalo were great) and some technical award nominations. But it got no nominations. Zilch. Norbit even got a nomination (makeup).

Again you go over the argument. What about bardems character is similar? Youve failed to answer the argument you brought up. And read my previous post about the joker it said and I quote "Everyone loves the joker the jokers cool. The joker was cool before ledger did it. The joker was cool before nicholson did it. The joker was cool before hamill did it. These guys have all different interpretations in voice, makeup, some are cartoons, some are live action, some are comics, graphic novels. The mythology around the joker cant all be acredited to ledger. So please stop blowing this out of proportion." I love the joker too. Heath ledger is a different story. Again im not saying hes poor in the film. Im saying it wont be the greates performance of all time like many make it out to be.

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by That Purple Stuff

Before his death, people thought of it as the movie to see in 2008, post death, its all of a sudden the best movie of all time.

I don't think anybody has said that until you in this thread.

[BirdManJr]

Oscar or no oscar...lets all enjoy the movie...I cant wait to buy batman begins on blu ray

And why would you hope it flops money wise?? then maybe no more batman
or a less budgeted batman which for me equals

COME ON lets make a trilogy at the least of this...WITH a good budget...script..and same actors..
No sucky part 3 like xmen and spiderman...i want a full trilogy of Greatness!!!
but they can continue and make a 4th i wont complain

[Blu-Malibu2009]

Originally Posted by That Purple Stuff

Before his death, people thought of it as the movie to see in 2008, post death, its all of a sudden the best movie of all time.

no. Fanboys were already over-hyping it before he died. His death affects how people view his performance more than the movie itself I think. Fanboys will overhype. That's what they do. But as I said, I am being cautious because it could be a lousy movie.

[That Purple Stuff]

And im sorry, but I think its in. Wall-E is the best 2008 summer movie. 1 negative review and from a Pixar hater