What classifies a HT system as entry level high-end?

[prerich]

Originally Posted by GBinPlano

As I look back on this post, I realize it is long, but I think it summarizes what has been said previously. Install what you like, tweak it until you're satisfied, and don't worry whether someone else thinks it's not good enough!

GBinPlano

Ahhhhhh! Satisfaction....isn't that what we are all looking for? But as RUR stated when you hear something better - you are on the road to ruin. Sometimes its like what a reporter asked Howard Hughes, "How much money is enough?" Howard replied "One dollar more."

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by GBinPlano

Install what you like, tweak it until you're satisfied, and don't worry whether someone else thinks it's not good enough!

GBinPlano

Perfect, no more need to be said.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by HAMP

Perfect, no more need to be said.

If no more needed to be said - we would all be watching vhs today We were satisfied until someone exposed us to better. What do you think drives the market hmmmm

[mdabb]

People here need the ability to talk freely about higher priced gear. It's is an investment for sure and one that is done with the advice and help of others. The same way every other thread here asks for opinion on products regardless of price . Should you blindly take that advice of a stranger as gold, "no" but for the most part it does help to talk it out. It gives you a starting point and gives you things to think about before purchasing or when you go and audition that piece of equipment. It is helpful and much needed to have the advice of those who are more experienced or simply to share thoughts and exchange ideas.

If you think high-end gear is not worth it, fine. Are you wrong?..........YES. High performance = high price. Just the way it works. What is Blu-ray anyways??? A high-end DVD!!!......... Some people are audiophiles. Some people are videophiles. Some people simply are just happy watching a movie and don't need or desire a true "home theater". Some people are full of piss and vinegar.

Some people must not know what the definition of upgrading is. A lot of times I see people upgrading to the same level of performance. So that is a bigger waste of money than anything and is pointless.


Anyways........... all I know is I am glad to have the help and opinions of others and hope that more and more high-end lovers come to Blu-ray.com! What's the point of buying Blu-ray if you are not interested in taking it to the next level. That's what Blu-ray is all about........... or we can always go back to DVD.

[saprano]

This is one of the best threads i've ever seen, im enlightened

so what do you guys really think makes a high end system? the cost? or the way it sounds? i have a onkyo 705 with definitive technology speakers, is that high end? na i dont think so,but it sounds damn good though

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

This is one of the best threads i've ever seen, im enlightened

so what do you guys really think makes a high end system? the cost? or the way it sounds? i have a onkyo 705 with definitive technology speakers, is that high end? na i dont think so,but it sounds damn good though

The better question is "What makes one an 'audiophile' ?" because I myself am not one.... and having $500,000 in gear doesn't make you one either..... An audiophile, to me, is one who not only strives to own the best, but also strives to HEAR the best.... through traveling to variour stores, conventions etc.... researching and reading (yes books) about audio production/reproduction..... basically full-immersion in the art/hobby

I don't think you have to have a big budget to be an "audiophile" but you have to have one to be a happy one

[prerich]

Originally Posted by saprano

This is one of the best threads i've ever seen, im enlightened

so what do you guys really think makes a high end system? the cost? or the way it sounds? i have a onkyo 705 with definitive technology speakers, is that high end? na i dont think so,but it sounds damn good though

Not High-end, but not cheap entry level either, and yes, more than likely sounds very good. Can it get better....yes. That's what I want us to think about, and mdabb - you said a mouth full when you stated "Some people must not know what the definition of upgrading is. A lot of times I see people upgrading to the same level of performance. So that is a bigger waste of money than anything and is pointless." That one statement speaks volumes. I know that I'm not high-end yet, will I ever get back - maybe, but I will always challenge myself by listening to High-end systems and saying "What did I hear in that performance, or movie that I didn't hear before". It's a fun hobby !










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[prerich]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

The better question is "What makes one an 'audiophile' ?" because I myself am not one.... and having $500,000 in gear doesn't make you one either..... An audiophile, to me, is one who not only strives to own the best, but also strives to HEAR the best.... through traveling to variour stores, conventions etc.... researching and reading (yes books) about audio production/reproduction..... basically full-immersion in the art/hobby

I don't think you have to have a big budget to be an "audiophile" but you have to have one to be a happy one

That last line is one of the best in the thread!!!! You are on point Beta Man (and I think you are more of an audiophile than you think )!

[prerich]

Originally Posted by HAMP

Perfect, no more need to be said.

And Hamp this is a quote from an earlier post from you:

I also agree, except I didn't have an Sony Receiver. I had an cheap Panasonic HTiB and then I bought the Onkyo 605 and was going to build around the reciever. I could not believe the difference I heard with changing the receiver, I was more then amazed at the sound. I think my biggest confusion was how well the Panasonic speakers held up and sounded.

I ended up upgrading to the Onkyo 805 and bought some Klipsch speakers. It's all in my Sig. Not the greatest from Klipsch but I love them as if there were the top of the line.

You have experienced on a particular level what this thread is about . As you are exposed you get more interested. You go higher up the ladder, not because it cost more - but because it makes a difference in the AQ. You were suprised at the Panasonic speakers, but for some reason - you upgraded to Klipsch. If you were to demo something else and it made your material sound tons better, and if you are the movie lover that I think you are - maybe not now, but sooner or later - you will upgrade - to acheive a "higher" experience. When you can no longer distinguish the returns - then you will stop. Selah

[prerich]

Originally Posted by RUR

If?

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[richteer]

Originally Posted by saprano

This is one of the best threads i've ever seen, im enlightened

so what do you guys really think makes a high end system? the cost? or the way it sounds? i have a onkyo 705 with definitive technology speakers, is that high end? na i dont think so,but it sounds damn good though

Definately the way it sounds--or more to the point, how it is intended to sound. The cost just adds degrees, hence entry-level high end for cheaper components, up to stratospherically priced stuff that few but the most well-heeled can afford.

[richteer]

Originally Posted by prerich

That last line is one of the best in the thread!!!! You are on point Beta Man (and I think you are more of an audiophile than you think )!

Agreed on all points. Beta Man, we're onto you!

My name is Rich, and I am an audiophile.

[Headphone Czar]

Originally Posted by saprano

This is one of the best threads i've ever seen, im enlightened

so what do you guys really think makes a high end system? the cost? or the way it sounds? i have a onkyo 705 with definitive technology speakers, is that high end? na i dont think so,but it sounds damn good though

No way.. Mid range I'd say.. But again, theres no rule book that states what is hi end.. It's very subjective..Too me a hi end speaker system would you 20,000..5.1/7.1 plus receiver, cables etc..

[Headphone Czar]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

The better question is "What makes one an 'audiophile' ?" because I myself am not one.... and having $500,000 in gear doesn't make you one either..... An audiophile, to me, is one who not only strives to own the best, but also strives to HEAR the best.... through traveling to variour stores, conventions etc.... researching and reading (yes books) about audio production/reproduction..... basically full-immersion in the art/hobby

I don't think you have to have a big budget to be an "audiophile" but you have to have one to be a happy one

I'm offended by the term.. An audiophile wants the recording as close to live & how the artist original attended as possible.. Meaning, no changes when in the studio, to make it 'sound better'. I spent over 4 grand on audio, & I doubt I will ever be satisfied .. I want what sounds best to my ears..If that means its different then what the artist intended, so be it.. Colored sound isn't a bad word in my book.. I had 'eargasms', but leads me to wanting more..

[jdc115]

Originally Posted by Intamin

That's where I'm at right now. I originally bought Klipsch reference, because at the time I didn't know much about audio, just wanted to be done, and for what I thought, they sounded good. Fortunately, I can trade in my stuff and not lose any money. So I'm in the process of saving for Studio 100s and a new NAD AVR, and will complete the rest of the components when I get the money.

the studio 100's are nice, I think you will love the NAD AVR, it is not a component that really ever gets mentioned around here. I am using the NAD T175 processor and love it. Which model are you looking at?