Sony in trouble, expected to cut 8000 jobs

[Uniquely]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

And I was pointing out that the article you quoted doesn't say the 360 is making a profit. It says the division is.

So are you saying the Zune is some kind of HUGE money maker that could possibly make up what the 360 has lost? Seriously? Or maybe Games for Windows? Really?

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by robinandtami

So are you saying the Zune is some kind of HUGE money maker that could possibly make up what the 360 has lost? Seriously? Or maybe Games for Windows? Really?

Maybe not Zune, it makes money not much, but it profits.

Mac Office is what makes all of the money in EDD, it always has. I still don't see the justification for Mac Office to be in EDD other than to hide 360 losses, of course.

[AranhaHunter]

Originally Posted by Deads3t

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Looks like MS if finally turning a profit. I'm not sure how 2009 is going to stack up. The recession will hit both companies. I can see Sony possibly charging for online play as one way to make some cash.

Neither of those articles say the 360 is profitable, Sony also said the reason they lost less money this year is due to improvements in the PS3 manufacturing, doesn't mean it's making money.

[Uniquely]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Maybe not Zune, it makes money not much, but it profits.

Mac Office is what makes all of the money in EDD, it always has. I still don't see the justification for Mac Office to be in EDD other than to hide 360 losses, of course.

I'm sure that mac office is profitable, but would question exactly how profitable. Mac's themselves do not make up a large percentage of computers, and a good percentage of mac users are so fiercely mac loyal, and would never consider an MS alternative when comparable mac products exist.

[AranhaHunter]

Originally Posted by robinandtami

I'm sure that mac office is profitable, but would question exactly how profitable. Mac's themselves do not make up a large percentage of computers, and a good percentage of mac users are so fiercely mac loyal, and would never consider an MS alternative when comparable mac products exist.

Last I read Mac was at 8 or 9%, Linux at 2% and Windows 89.5%, the lowest in a crapload of years. Zune has 10% of the MP3 market or so, so it's definitely profitable. Windows mobile is also profitable as it is one of the main OS for Smartphones, the others being Symbian, Iphone OS, Blackberry OS and Palm. The only thing in that division that I'm not sure makes a profit is the 360.

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

I said it doesn't make sense under the current structure, anyway, this article just means they are cutting operating costs, it doesn't mean they want to stop expanding their empire through buy-outs or mergers.

If they have no money and are struggling financially, they shouldn't be trying to acquire anything, especially Ericsson, MGM or videogames developers like the Level 5 rumor.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by robinandtami

I'm sure that mac office is profitable, but would question exactly how profitable. Mac's themselves do not make up a large percentage of computers, and a good percentage of mac users are so fiercely mac loyal, and would never consider an MS alternative when comparable mac products exist.

BS. Mac Office sells a shitton everytime MS bother to release one. It is actually a very good product.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...fice_2008.html

No numbers, but you get the idea. It really is the best piece of software MS have produced in a long time, ironic it's for a Mac!

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by AranhaHunter

If they have no money and are struggling financially, they shouldn't be trying to acquire anything, especially Ericsson, MGM or videogames developers like the Level 5 rumor.

They do have money, this is just good housekeeping.

If they don't shed the positions in the company they yes, Sony will be struggling for money.

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by xtop

article i read mentioned raising prices on electronics in europe

How can they justify raising prices in Europe. We are being ripped off on prices as it stands.

[AranhaHunter]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

They do have money, this is just good housekeeping.

If they don't shed the positions in the company they yes, Sony will be struggling for money.

What do you mean?

[Uniquely]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

BS. Mac Office sells a shitton everytime MS bother to release one. It is actually a very good product.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...fice_2008.html

No numbers, but you get the idea. It really is the best piece of software MS have produced in a long time, ironic it's for a Mac!

Breaking a record doesn't prove anything without actual numbers. As I said.... macs are less than 10% of the overall computer marker and many mac users are very anti ms so it would be good to see actual numbers. I doubt it's in the area to make up supposed huge 360 losses.

[AranhaHunter]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

How can they justify raising prices in Europe. We are being ripped off on prices as it stands.

They can justify by saying the Euro sucks compared to the yen, want better prices? Get the damn value of the Euro up again.

[AranhaHunter]

Originally Posted by robinandtami

Breaking a record doesn't prove anything without actual numbers. As I said.... macs are less than 10% of the overall computer marker and many mac users are very anti ms so it would be good to see actual numbers. I doubt it's in the area to make up supposed huge 360 losses.

Says who? I know a lot of Mac users who enjoy using word, MSN, etc...

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by AranhaHunter

They can justify by saying the Euro sucks compared to the yen, want better prices? Get the damn value of the Euro up again.

Its climbed in recent days against the dollar and according to market observers it will rise even further up against the dollar in 09. Its also trading very well against Sterling.

[Uniquely]

Originally Posted by AranhaHunter

Says who? I know a lot of Mac users who enjoy using word, MSN, etc...

I never said all...... but anti MS sentiment from mac users is quite evident in many of the tech blogs that I read. Noone can deny that those people do exist.

[xtop]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

No worries. It's actually how much I charge for private financial advice...

oh i knew you were serious, still funny.

[AranhaHunter]

Originally Posted by robinandtami

I never said all...... but anti MS sentiment from mac users is quite evident in many of the tech blogs that I read. Noone can deny that those people do exist.

Tech blogs is not many Mac users, just the geeky ones, the majority of mac users are just like the majority of windows users: They do not go to blogs and do not know a damn thing about technology.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by AranhaHunter

What do you mean?

There is not any immediate danger to the core business. Yes some parts are not profitable and they will need to be cut (some of the cheaper Bravia TVs, the lower end front projectors, and other stuff) and staff will need to be laid off to reflect the reduced production.

Sure the headline sounds bad, but eventually the WW economy will pick up, people will have paid down their debts to a sustainable level and the world will be in the mood to spend. So why cut prices like mad and fire 50,000 people to reflect those price cuts, like other companies are thinking of doing (Samsung, namely), instead of running a tight ship cutting fewer jobs, seeing increased profit and emerging better out of a recession.

As of now Sony have got about $8bn short term equity, they are not in trouble in the slightest.

Companies in trouble are GM, who have a $24bn short term liability and $59bn long term liability. The company is technically bankrupt, they are only worth $2.5bn by market cap, but they owe $59bn to various organisations and people. American Airlines is in pretty bad shape, for a company of that size to have less than $1bn in short term equity shows that they will find it difficult to survive if the airline industry were to go through more upheaval.

[mikejet]

I hope they get rid fo the people who designed Sony's mp3 player.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

Its climbed in recent days against the dollar and according to market observers it will rise even further up against the dollar in 09. Its also trading very well against Sterling.

Indeed, I get paid in USD, so it's all good!

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by robinandtami

I never said all...... but anti MS sentiment from mac users is quite evident in many of the tech blogs that I read. Noone can deny that those people do exist.

That's a very small, but very vocal minority. You should see the people that actually use Macs, most of them (like PC users) don't give two shits about who made what, and where it comes from. The fact that Mac Office is awesome means it sells extremely well to the 150m WW Mac users, so what if a few thousand go onto forums and blogs and chat shit about everything that isn't a Mac. There are a lot of people who do the same for many products!