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1. Doesn't make much sense in the time line of the films and the overall message. Seeing young Anakin in death as the person he was just before he turned to the Dark side ruins the redemeption of the character in Jedi. Thus the journey the character takes in episodes 4-6 are ignored, kind of like it never happened, thus his redemption doesn't take place. He is redeemed as a good man at the end of Jedi, and should be there as old and wise (like Yoda and Obi Wan) not as the young, reckless man whom would eventually turn to evil. In other words, if Star Wars is supposed to be about the journey of Anakin Skywalker, having him as he was at the end of Sith hurts the message of learning from your mistakes and forgiveness. Like hitting a reset button. If Lucas REALLY wanted to show him in the form before he turned to evil, it really should be Jake Lloyd as a blue glowie. The character of Anakin played by Christensen displayed evil tendancies early on in ATOC. 2. Luke seeing his father as a young man should be more of a "WTF?!?" kind of moment as Luke would have NO IDEA who that guy was as he has never seen him before. It would be more like "There is Yoda, Obi Wan and some dude...uh...yeah...that guy who is younger than I am... Dad?" This isn't No Country for Old Men...LOL That is just my thoughts though. I don't mind the change, I just think it takes away a bit from the good message of the film is all. I absolutly welcome hearing your thought on the change! ![]() |
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Now about the change, I like it because the way I look at it, since Anakin was saved by Luke, he return to be the good man he once was. Anakin was never a good Jedi as an adult, the last time he was a Jedi he was in his early 20's and so returning as he was then for me make's more sense to return as a ghost of a man who never really was. Personaly I have posted less and less in this thread as it's at time more then a bit silly. I lurk once in a while (like I did today) but on most days it's mostly looking like a grade school yard with a bunch of posts sounding like "my dad is stronger then your dad" ![]() |
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![]() Also it is weird to me that Luke made a "Force choke" on the two gurds in Jabba's palace...It is a trick of the Dark side of the Force...not the Jedi's. Last edited by siso; 06-28-2011 at 04:20 PM. |
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I think one of the major reasons we have Hayden Christensen at the end of RotJ is because of what Obi-wan said in ANH. He say's that Anakin Skywalker was killed by Darth Vader and he even backs this up in RotJ when Luke questions him (from a certain point of view). It's just symbolic.
I never understood the love for Sebastian Shaw at the end anyway. I have nothing against Shaw himself, anyone who argues that "Luke wouldn't recognize Anakin as his father," doesn't really have an argument for putting Shaw in the end. I don't think Luke would have recognized the older Anakin, and besides that Shaw just represents a "what if?". Sounds like people are just trying to block out the PT entirely, trying to imagine it never happened. You just got to get over it, We all know they aren't as good as the originals, but you just take what you get and nothing's perfect. |
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![]() This thread does get sorta crazy, but at least we aren't arguing about a 'green tint' yet. Key word being: Yet. ![]() |
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If you tried to reply to a post that was still displayed from not having been refreshed in a while, but had actually since been moved or deleted, you may have gotten a message about the thread being closed (I got something like that as well at one point). But the thread, itself, is very much still open and going. |
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oh shit I didn't even realize there even was two threads Damn I don't follow along very well do I.
I do have some thoughts to add especially since the talk about Lucas bashing/fans popping up. Well here is my take on that issue. Yes the man has lied and he has changed his mind, even I, as a fan of the new stuff can still recognize that. What I don't get is how people can go to either extreme hating Lucas entirely or just blindly following the guy entirely. Look George Lucas put his name on Howard the Duck, that right there should tell you the man ain't perfect. Now in regards to the whole should the be released or not, my stance is it is entirely up to Lucas so whatever his reasons weather you agree or not it is his right to release them or not period. Now I don't agree with every change nor do I hate every change but the fact is they are his movies to do with as he pleases and I think people need to just accept it. I do like to point out though that the one change I hate the most is the new dialog in Empire between Vader and Palpatine. |
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I do agree with that. |
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I basically look at the films this way: The UOT represents the time before the prequels, when the films worked by themselves as an isolated trilogy. I refer to this as the golden age, before the "dark times." ![]() The revised editions are continuations of Episodes I-III. Lucas' preferred order is to see them chronologically, and that's how he also wants future generations to see them. So, the OT has been retrofitted to be sequels to the prequels, and thus we have a young Anakin at the end of RotJ in order to bring the story full-circle from the previous "earlier episodes." We also see that Boba Fett has grown up to be just like his father, and we already know that Anakin had twins named Luke and Leia, etc. |
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In any case, Shaw's actual performance is still there, when he tells Luke he was right. The only change to that was the erasure of his eyebrows, which was explained by the type of burns Anakin experienced in Episode III. |
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Boba Fett's voice, Palpatine's hologram, Sebastian Shaw's ghost... these were part of the movies for decades. There's no reason to remove these things and stick in prequel-friendly alternatives. |
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Sure, putting the movies back together as they were wouldn't be a difficult challenge, providing that Lucasfilm has kept the originally shot VFX elements in as good condition as they were when they were recomp'ed for the '97 SE. What I love about the whole 'Lucas is a money grabbing *****' argument is the fact that he won't restore and release the originals. Because if he does so, then every fanboy in existence will obviously lay down their cash and make Lucas richer than God. Right? Riiiiiiiiiight? Last edited by Geoff D; 06-29-2011 at 08:29 PM. |
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3) Q: Won't the original versions look really crude and in poor condition? Isn't that why Lucas had to enhance and restore them for the Special Edition? A: The original version negatives today look about as good as the Special Edition negatives. That is because they are the same thing! The only differences are the new Special Edition shots. In 1995, Fox started restoring the entire negatives for the Star Wars films, which saved them from their state of disrepair. Luckily, this means the original versions can be presented in nearly the same quality as what you saw in theatres in the 1997 re-release. Were Lucasfilm to not to use the negatives, there are other 35mm materials available for use. Although some are in states of disrepair, many are not, and while not being as high quality as the negatives, should be very presentable. For instance, George Lucas himself kept a special Technicolor print of the original film, which does not fade at all and would look exactly as it did when it was first printed. Q: Restoring or presenting the original versions in high quality is very expensive isn't it? Lucas does not have the money or desire to do so. A: Lucas speaks about how expensive it would be and all the work that would need to be done, but in fact it would be relatively easy and inexpensive. One, presenting existing prints in high-def with modest cleanup would cost in the hundred thousand dollar range. Relatively speaking, this is very inexpensive, which is why obscure films like Police Academy 5 are available from original 35mm elements. Restoring the films from the negatives is not too expensive as well--because it was largely already done. In 1995, Twentieth Century Fox spent $20 million restoring and enhancing the Star Wars trilogy for the anniversary re-release. All that would need to be done today is retrieving the missing original pieces (roughly five to fifteen minutes per film), cleaning them if necessary, and editing them into a scan of the existing negative. Further cleanup could be done, but this is not strictly necessary, as the 1997 release had no major digital cleanup. So, the pricetag to finish the restoration of the trilogy from the negatives would be in the range of a million dollars, to throw a ballpark figure out there. To put this in perspective, the 2004 DVD set sold $100 million in its day of release. To put it in greater perspective, Lucas is a billionaire as it is. Lucas also need not involve himself in this, as film restorationists could handle the project themselves and seek to match the new digital copy to archival material. For more information follow the link http://savestarwars.com/faq.html |
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Not to mention that both Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back have been included in the Library of Congress' National Film Registry for being “culturally, historically or aesthetically significant films”. The damn US government has archival prints of these. |
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