Invasion of the Body Snatchers 4K UHD (1978)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

Everyones riding the Criterion train. I guess I'm alone in waiting to see them stumble once and see people turn.

How quickly the tables have turned, although it's more dumb ****ing luck that Radius60/Pixelogic are terrible at doing Blu-rays but pretty goddamned good at doing UHDs, as long as it stays that way then I don't mind! But it appears that Kino has either changed their authoring house or that same house has adopted a StudioCanal-style 'set and forget' UHD authoring pipeline that pays no attention to the HDR10 layer whatsoever when doing a DV disc.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

Everyones riding the Criterion train. I guess I'm alone in waiting to see them stumble once and see people turn.

Something's bound to happen though I don't wish it. What's for certain though when it does happen, we're gonna see this whole cycle repeat. Ppl come in and criticize it, then the coat-tailers arrive and call names and hide on top of their ivory towers hanging "it's okay when I do it" banners. Don't talk about this tho. Just between us.

[Gacivory]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

Something's bound to happen though I don't wish it. What's for certain though when it does happen, we're gonna see this whole cycle repeat. Ppl come in and criticize it, then the coat-tailers arrive and call names and hide on top of their ivory towers hanging "it's okay when I do it" banners. Don't talk about this tho. Just between us.

This thread loves that hard turn. I remember when we were all excited for the Kino 4K's now its loathsome to be excited. Arrow was golden standard until a few issues and now they're mentioned in similar breaths as Criterion.

To quote the one and only Randy Newman, "It's a jungle out there, poison in the very air we breathe".

[Gacivory]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

How quickly the tables have turned, although it's more dumb ****ing luck that Radius60/Pixelogic are terrible at doing Blu-rays but pretty goddamned good at doing UHDs, as long as it stays that way then I don't mind! But it appears that Kino has either changed their authoring house or that same house has adopted a StudioCanal-style 'set and forget' UHD authoring pipeline that pays no attention to the HDR10 layer whatsoever when doing a DV disc.

It's those extras. Criterion should stop having them put extras on the blu too. they don't know how to handle them. Kino should take Radius60/Pixelogic out for a spin, while they're doing well.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

It's those extras. Criterion should stop having them put extras on the blu too. they don't know how to handle them. Kino should take Radius60/Pixelogic out for a spin, while they're doing well.

It's really not the extras, Pixelogic just plain can't encode BD for shit. Soupy blocky grain on film-based stuff, lots of nasty banding on digital-based stuff, they're terrible.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

Something's bound to happen though I don't wish it. What's for certain though when it does happen, we're gonna see this whole cycle repeat. Ppl come in and criticize it, then the coat-tailers arrive and call names and hide on top of their ivory towers hanging "it's okay when I do it" banners. Don't talk about this tho. Just between us.

Eh, it's been like this for so long on here that it's hardly worth getting involved with. But it always makes me chuckle when even the staunchest IJWTM makes a negative comment about a transfer or the look of a movie in general.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

This thread loves that hard turn. I remember when we were all excited for the Kino 4K's now its loathsome to be excited. Arrow was golden standard until a few issues and now they're mentioned in similar breaths as Criterion.

To quote the one and only Randy Newman, "It's a jungle out there, poison in the very air we breathe".

Find it really amusing that the positivity has been memory-holed in favor of the narrative everyone was out for blood from the beginning just to be troublemakers hellbent on ruining everyone else's fun.

I personally didn't have much worry because aside from the Silence problem, every prior Kino 4k has been stellar. So now that there's something crummy afoot that comes-off entirely Kino's doing, well, it's pretty disappointing.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Eh, it's been like this for so long on here that it's hardly worth getting involved with. But it always makes me chuckle when even the staunchest IJWTM makes a negative comment about a transfer or the look of a movie in general.

As long as you wave your "average Joe" appeal to emotion flag for technical crit excuses, well, you can do anything. There's plenty of places to go for them to get discussions they want but they just can't stop coming back for more.

[LeDroitDeTuer]

People obviously come here for different reasons, but for me the main added value comes from user feedback regarding audio/video quality and comparisons between different versions, the sort that samlop10 provided here.

Reviewers are often in auto-pilot mode where everything new and shiny is absolutely great and will frequently dodge pointing out issues, but a lot of people here will absolutely catch those things. To try to stymie that is detrimental to these forums.

[duggie walker]

Originally Posted by samlop10

It's funny how we have to keep revisiting the point/purpose of these forums lol. And that people complain because we are discussing those things which these forums were created for in the first place.

Hey, I've never once suggested that people shouldn't be discussing these things. I rather enjoy it, if you can't tell.

I don't think you're really getting the nuance in what I'm saying - or more likely it's not convenient for you to do so - so you're painting me simply as someone who doesn't want these things discussed or who just mindlessly accepts any level of incompetence.

But if the boycott idea is too ridiculous for you, I'm still not sure what you actually want people to do. I suspect it's you, in fact, who doesn't want to "discuss" these things and instead want us to either agree with you or keep our mouths shut; presumably because you think any gap in the Wall of Resistance will be used by Kino to justify doing nothing.

For the record, I positively encourage your complaints. In fact, I think you should take them to the main Kino thread where the insider will see them.

And also for the record, I see that it is a less-than-perfect encode. But IN THIS INSTANCE, it's not enough of a problem for me to not buy this disc, in the hope that someone else will do it properly in the future; though if they do, I will buy that as well.

But look, if you want me to sign a petition saying I believe Kino should buck-up on the encodes, I'm there.

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by duggie walker

Hey, I've never once suggested that people shouldn't be discussing these things. I rather enjoy it, if you can't tell.

Doesn't seem that way but good.

I don't think you're really getting the nuance in what I'm saying - or more likely it's not convenient for you to do so - so you're painting me simply as someone who doesn't want these things discussed or who just mindlessly accepts any level of incompetence.

I am getting the nuance, but to me it still does not make sense to pick the 4K given the errors in the encode. If they don't bother you, like I said, enjoy. But this only helps perpetuate the cycle of bad encodes by these companies.

But if the boycott idea is too ridiculous for you, I'm still not sure what you actually want people to do. I suspect it's you, in fact, who doesn't want to "discuss" these things and instead want us to either agree with you or keep our mouths shut; presumably because you think any gap in the Wall of Resistance will be used by Kino to justify doing nothing.

Seems you did not get my previous post. I definitely want people to boycott this release. What I was saying was that this attitude of 'what difference is one or few people going to make' is what helps perpetuate that aforementioned cycle. Even if it's not every single person, whoever boycotts it will help.

For the record, I positively encourage your complaints. In fact, I think you should take them to the main Kino thread where the insider will see them.

Yeah I think I will. Good idea actually. Should have thought of that.

And also for the record, I see that it is a less-than-perfect encode. But IN THIS INSTANCE, it's not enough of a problem for me to not buy this disc, in the hope that someone else will do it properly in the future; though if they do, I will buy that as well.

Again, you do you . It won't help one bit, and I still think it looks worse than the standard blu-ray all things considered (not to mention it is more expensive), but it's your money. And this definitely won't help the boycott you mentioned.

But look, if you want me to sign a petition saying I believe Kino should buck-up on the encodes, I'm there.

I will definitely do some sort of PSA over on the Kino thread and link the caps and such. Hopefully that will get Kino to see it.

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

Everyones riding the Criterion train. I guess I'm alone in waiting to see them stumble once and see people turn.

You could just celebrate the fact that we are getting some excellent UHD releases. That’s what I’ve been doing with Arrow, despite a year full of disastrous QC and customer service issues.

It’s kind of impressive that Arrow’s errors are almost never talked about.

[samlop10]

Posted this over in the Kino thread:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...1#post19624628

Hopefully they'll see it and do better.

[duggie walker]

Originally Posted by samlop10

I will definitely do some sort of PSA over on the Kino thread and link the caps and such. Hopefully that will get Kino to see it.

Okay, well that's great - something constructive has come from our conversation and I have duly liked it. Trust me, I have no special love for Kino.

In fact, I have enacted my own personal semi-boycott of Kino. In the first year of their existence, I bought virtually all of their releases. Then I had a run-in with them over their refusal to send me a replacement disc for MADHOUSE as I'm in the UK. They told me they didn't want customers from abroad and so I largely accommodated them and have never bought more than a handful every year since.

The problem with boycotts, especially with Kino, is that they simply don't work. You won't get solidarity here, trust me, unless it's such an egregious problem the film is literally unwatchable. Bad compression might be a deal-breaker for one person, botched audio for another but there's rarely consensus. And low sales are just low sales. Maybe if hundreds of people returned their discs, with no prospect of a refund, but "THIS COMPRESSION SUCKS" written across it in sharpie, that might have an impact. But most likely not.

The sad truth is that you really have to rely on a company CARING - about the films, about the discs, about their customers, even about their own reputation. And that doesn't always seem to be the case with Kino, as exemplified by the KLI's response to most matters. But then sometimes they DO make a correction, and that doesn't really seem to be linked to how many people complain, or how vociferously, but on some more arbitrary basis (most likely how much it costs them).

Anyway, I will watch the KL thread with interest to see if they respond.

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by samlop10

Posted this over in the Kino thread:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...1#post19624628

Hopefully they'll see it and do better.

The Insider will just say “Please don’t take up valuable thread space with this crap, the disc has 5/5 star reviews…”

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

The Insider will just say “Please don’t take up valuable thread space with this crap, the disc has 5/5 star reviews…”

Sadly, I wouldn’t be surprised, especially after the whole deal with SOTL.

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by duggie walker

Okay, well that's great - something constructive has come from our conversation and I have duly liked it. Trust me, I have no special love for Kino.

In fact, I have enacted my own personal semi-boycott of Kino. In the first year of their existence, I bought virtually all of their releases. Then I had a run-in with them over their refusal to send me a replacement disc for MADHOUSE as I'm in the UK. They told me they didn't want customers from abroad and so I largely accommodated them and have never bought more than a handful every year since.

The problem with boycotts, especially with Kino, is that they simply don't work. You won't get solidarity here, trust me, unless it's such an egregious problem the film is literally unwatchable. Bad compression might be a deal-breaker for one person, botched audio for another but there's rarely consensus. And low sales are just low sales. Maybe if hundreds of people returned their discs, with no prospect of a refund, but "THIS COMPRESSION SUCKS" written across it in sharpie, that might have an impact. But most likely not.

The sad truth is that you really have to rely on a company CARING - about the films, about the discs, about their customers, even about their own reputation. And that doesn't always seem to be the case with Kino, as exemplified by the KLI's response to most matters. But then sometimes they DO make a correction, and that doesn't really seem to be linked to how many people complain, or how vociferously, but on some more arbitrary basis (most likely how much it costs them).

Anyway, I will watch the KL thread with interest to see if they respond.

Yeah hopefully they’ll do something. Or if not people will catch on and it will affect their future releases.

[samlop10]

Another perfect score for the Video:

https://thedigitalbits.com/item/body...-klsc-2021-uhd

Is Mr. Magoo making all this ‘reviews’?

[s2mikey]

Im just waiting for this to NOT be $26 dollars and then Im all over it. One of my favs. C'mon black Friday or whatever deals..... lets get this down a bit.

[LeDroitDeTuer]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Im just waiting for this to NOT be $26 dollars and then Im all over it. One of my favs. C'mon black Friday or whatever deals..... lets get this down a bit.

It's part of their current sale at $17.99