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Ruined · 03-27-2018, 09:12 PM

Repost from the individual title's thread for those interested in DON'T LOOK AT THE BASEMENT (Code red = Dark Force version) from the Dark Force Chaos/DLITB double feature:

OK, so here we go. Hopefully this is helpful in people's decisions:

First of all runtimes;
Code Red version about 1:28:29 after intro trailers/etc
Brink version about 1:28:24 after intro trailers/etc
Brink version apparently has some brief cuts I need to verify if the Code Red has/does not have, will update this later.

Update: code red version missing the same exact few seconds as the Brink and rough cut is exactly the same. Wouldn't be surprised if both were derived from same print, just with CR being totally raw while brink is over processed.

Next, A/V quality:

Boy, this is a tough one but TLDR I am going to keep the Code Red version over the BRINK.

Code Red's print is horrendous, with transparent light red spherical splotches appearing throughout, tons of print damage, lines, rough cuts, you get the picture - 3.5/10 quality if I had to rank it. Tons of artifacts from damaged film. Color is significantly worse at times than the Brink version, also.

Brink, on the other hand has a fairly capable print. Some damage, but VERY minimal compared to code red - the print quality actually looks quite good, say a 6/10. Yet we have some major digital mastering issues here. First it is clear some major DNR, scratch removal was applied. This results in things like static grain at times (not at all times, there is in most scenes active moving grain visible - but much less active grain than the Code Red version), door jambs flickering and disappearing as the DNR algorithm thinks its a scratch, etc. On top of this, as mentioned earlier the Brink has a pervasive 1 second stutter that appears every 45 seconds throughout the entire film as mentioned previously unlike the Code Red version.

This is a tough one to make a recommendation that will apply to all, as some will see the terrible print quality of Code Red and simply live with the digital artifacting of the BRINK version to escape all of the extensive print damage on the Code Red version. On the other hand, some will see the DNR and digital tinkering run amuck on the BRINK version and live with the highly damaged Code Red print.

So, as suspected earlier, this boils down to preference - if digital artifacts like stuttering and over enthusiastic DNR bothers you more, go with Code Red. On the other hand, if rampant and extensive print damage causing all sorts of artifacts throughout the film bothers you more, go with Brink. If the Brink did not have the stuttering I would likely keep that one, but with that stuttering it is just too annoying for me so I will live with all of the print damage on the Code Red version.

dallywhitty · 03-28-2018, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ScorpionReleasing

I do not live in the same house with him, i live in my own apartment , you can ask anybody who I do business with, or work for, on this matter, yes he fly out to LA to eat at Sbarro just to he can fly back out to Seattle to his flooded home every night, and like i want to sleep in his flooded home, sure.

I love this forum.

The Great Owl · 03-30-2018, 11:29 AM

I just pre-ordered Kill or Be Killed from Screen Archives Entertainment.

Marshall Crist · 03-30-2018, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

Murky Murk and the Rights Issues Bunch.

I wish someone would release this on Blu-ray:

Ruined · 03-30-2018, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great Owl

I just pre-ordered Kill or Be Killed from Screen Archives Entertainment.

Wow I didn't even know it was up, thanks for heads up.

AKNewbie · 03-30-2018, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great Owl

I just pre-ordered Kill or Be Killed from Screen Archives Entertainment.

Pre-ordered from SAE. Thanks for the heads up.

Marsupial Werewolf · 03-30-2018, 01:06 PM

Gonna wait for reviews re: Kill or Be Killed.

It's become a bucketlist title...sad to say.

Ruined · 03-30-2018, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AKNewbie

Pre-ordered from SAE. Thanks for the heads up.

I just ordered The Incident at sae along with Kill or be Killed .

The Great Owl · 03-30-2018, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

Was thinking of picking up The Incident at sae along with Kill or be Killed. Heard that was really good.

The Incident is a tremendous movie and I give it a five-star recommendation, but it's also one of the most disturbing films that I've ever seen, and it's quite painful to watch.

Here's my review that I wrote a few days ago.

Ruined · 03-30-2018, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

The Incident is a tremendous movie and I give it a five-star recommendation, but it's also one of the most disturbing films that I've ever seen, and it's quite painful to watch.

Here's my review that I wrote a few days ago.

Yep cool review I did end up ordering both.

Ruined · 03-30-2018, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsupial Werewolf

Gonna wait for reviews re: Kill or Be Killed.

It's become a bucketlist title...sad to say.

Amazon Prime Video has an HD transfer of this up for free viewing now and it is highly likely that the BD will use the same HD master, so if you have prime you could look for yourself free and see what you think.

Just so you don't get your hopes up - based on Walt's comments and the Amazon reviews of the HD video , it is of poor quality. So I expect the DF BD will also be of poor quality.

BUT, if you want to own the movie on physical media (I assume you do if you are interested), this or the DVD derived from the same HD master are your only option - I don't think the demand for this title is huge so its doubtful a new restoration will be done anytime soon. Could save $15 and get the DVD, likely won't be much worse in PQ/AQ, but you won't get the protective hardcoat that the BD has. Also if you care about "shelf look" and you already have the sequel on BD, it makes sense to buy the first one on BD too so the size matches on the shelf - a little detail but might be important for some collectors.

AKNewbie · 03-30-2018, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

I just ordered The Incident at sae along with Kill or be Killed .

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

The Incident is a tremendous movie and I give it a five-star recommendation, but it's also one of the most disturbing films that I've ever seen, and it's quite painful to watch.

Here's my review that I wrote a few days ago.

Thanks, guys. Appreciate the recommendation. Just placed SAE order for The Incident.

ScorpionReleasing · 03-30-2018, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Marshall Crist

I wish someone would release this on Blu-ray:

The Turk Murphy Jazz Band - Alabama's Ghost [Alabama's Ghost unofficial soundtrack] (1973) - YouTube

I know years ago a major cult label try to license it but they told me the owner was quite difficult , not sure if anything happened since

Blu Titan · 03-31-2018, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsupial Werewolf

Gonna wait for reviews re: Kill or Be Killed.

It's become a bucketlist title...sad to say.

I am buying that one no matter what.

Ruined · 03-31-2018, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Blu Titan

I am buying that one no matter what.

Maybe they will have some deal if you buy it together with THE CARRIER blu from DF next week. Might need to cancel my SAE preorder if so.

Blu Titan · 03-31-2018, 03:47 PM

Dark Force DVD is said to be joining this forum and will be posting in this thread

. I ask the members and the Dark Force DVD rep to post in a civilized manner. Thank you.

Ruined · 03-31-2018, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Blu Titan

Dark Force DVD is said to be joining this forum and will be posting in this thread

. I ask the members and the Dark Force DVD rep to post in a civilized manner. Thank you.

Looking forward to it. I like DFs high energy Facebook posts and promotions [emoji3]

Mike UFC · 03-31-2018, 04:48 PM

I took the plunge on these and I watched House on the Edge of the Park and Eerie Midnight Show back to back between the DF and Code Red titles and didn't notice any loss in PQ. The only thing I noticed was the DF discs had more chapter stops than the CR counterpart. I don't watch special features very much so I'm ok with the DF discs not having any in favor of there being an extra movie, plus I enjoyed the goofy Drive In commercials. I do wish the trailers were all vintage though. Seeing the Chaos(2005) trailer pop up in between two 70s oddities took me out a bit.

Ruined · 03-31-2018, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike UFC

I took the plunge on these and I watched House on the Edge of the Park and Eerie Midnight Show back to back between the DF and Code Red titles and didn't notice any loss in PQ. The only thing I noticed was the DF discs had more chapter stops than the CR counterpart. I don't watch special features very much so I'm ok with the DF discs not having any in favor of there being an extra movie, plus I enjoyed the goofy Drive In commercials. I do wish the trailers were all vintage though. Seeing the Chaos(2005) trailer pop up in between two 70s oddities took me out a bit.

I agree with Chaos trailer not fitting well in the drive in double features. I do understand the desire for cross promotions but if you are going to do 70s drive in mode you should use material from that time period exclusively.

I ended up only buying #1 and #3 since I already had both movies from #2.

Marsupial Werewolf · 04-01-2018, 12:40 AM

Did we miss their grand arrival and they're already banned?

03-27-2018, 09:12 PM	#621
Ruined Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Sep 2009 Blu-ray collection:1 Trading Score:1	Repost from the individual title's thread for those interested in DON'T LOOK AT THE BASEMENT (Code red = Dark Force version) from the Dark Force Chaos/DLITB double feature: OK, so here we go. Hopefully this is helpful in people's decisions: First of all runtimes; Code Red version about 1:28:29 after intro trailers/etc Brink version about 1:28:24 after intro trailers/etc Brink version apparently has some brief cuts I need to verify if the Code Red has/does not have, will update this later. Update: code red version missing the same exact few seconds as the Brink and rough cut is exactly the same. Wouldn't be surprised if both were derived from same print, just with CR being totally raw while brink is over processed. Next, A/V quality: Boy, this is a tough one but TLDR I am going to keep the Code Red version over the BRINK. Code Red's print is horrendous, with transparent light red spherical splotches appearing throughout, tons of print damage, lines, rough cuts, you get the picture - 3.5/10 quality if I had to rank it. Tons of artifacts from damaged film. Color is significantly worse at times than the Brink version, also. Brink, on the other hand has a fairly capable print. Some damage, but VERY minimal compared to code red - the print quality actually looks quite good, say a 6/10. Yet we have some major digital mastering issues here. First it is clear some major DNR, scratch removal was applied. This results in things like static grain at times (not at all times, there is in most scenes active moving grain visible - but much less active grain than the Code Red version), door jambs flickering and disappearing as the DNR algorithm thinks its a scratch, etc. On top of this, as mentioned earlier the Brink has a pervasive 1 second stutter that appears every 45 seconds throughout the entire film as mentioned previously unlike the Code Red version. This is a tough one to make a recommendation that will apply to all, as some will see the terrible print quality of Code Red and simply live with the digital artifacting of the BRINK version to escape all of the extensive print damage on the Code Red version. On the other hand, some will see the DNR and digital tinkering run amuck on the BRINK version and live with the highly damaged Code Red print. So, as suspected earlier, this boils down to preference - if digital artifacts like stuttering and over enthusiastic DNR bothers you more, go with Code Red. On the other hand, if rampant and extensive print damage causing all sorts of artifacts throughout the film bothers you more, go with Brink. If the Brink did not have the stuttering I would likely keep that one, but with that stuttering it is just too annoying for me so I will live with all of the print damage on the Code Red version. Last edited by Ruined; 03-27-2018 at 11:35 PM.

03-30-2018, 01:06 PM	#627
Marsupial Werewolf Power Member Top contributor Member since:Jan 2012 4K collection:806 Blu-ray collection:4368 DVD collection:295 Digital collection:53 Trading Score:1	Gonna wait for reviews re: Kill or Be Killed. It's become a bucketlist title...sad to say. Last edited by Marsupial Werewolf; 03-30-2018 at 01:14 PM.

03-30-2018, 11:29 AM	#623
The Great Owl Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Dec 2012 Location:Georgia 4K collection:921 Blu-ray collection:6031 DVD collection:28 Blu-ray reviews: 255 Trading Score:6	I just pre-ordered Kill or Be Killed from Screen Archives Entertainment.

03-31-2018, 03:47 PM	#636
Blu Titan Super Moderator Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Edo, Land of the Samurai Home Theater Gallery:42 4K collection:41 Blu-ray collection:2864 Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:92	Dark Force DVD is said to be joining this forum and will be posting in this thread . I ask the members and the Dark Force DVD rep to post in a civilized manner. Thank you.

03-31-2018, 04:48 PM	#638
Mike UFC Active Member Member since:Apr 2011 Location:Cahuenga Building, Sixth Floor 4K collection:113 Blu-ray collection:2068 Trading Score:399	I took the plunge on these and I watched House on the Edge of the Park and Eerie Midnight Show back to back between the DF and Code Red titles and didn't notice any loss in PQ. The only thing I noticed was the DF discs had more chapter stops than the CR counterpart. I don't watch special features very much so I'm ok with the DF discs not having any in favor of there being an extra movie, plus I enjoyed the goofy Drive In commercials. I do wish the trailers were all vintage though. Seeing the Chaos(2005) trailer pop up in between two 70s oddities took me out a bit.

04-01-2018, 12:40 AM	#640
Marsupial Werewolf Power Member Top contributor Member since:Jan 2012 4K collection:806 Blu-ray collection:4368 DVD collection:295 Digital collection:53 Trading Score:1	Did we miss their grand arrival and they're already banned?

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