Inglourious Basterds 4K UHD (2009)

[Rusty100]

I have the same TV and player, you do have to enable DV in the player settings, but that's just a software oddity. I do think you are recommended to turn the setting off when you're not playing a DV disc, so I wouldn't be surprised if it does something a bit weird to non-DV HDR Content. I think this youtube man is just kind of dumb or something.

[Avageektwit]

Originally Posted by VirtuaBranson

Like with his F9 review, I said this in a comment there, it was a bit disconnected from what other reviewers had said about the transfer. Waiting for a couple more reviews to see how it stands.

As always, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Jeff also had some mixed feelings about Universal's 4k video presentation of The Sting which he thought was too soft at times. Its not perfect as the inherent softness of the movie (largely due to the film's dissolve transitions) dampens the otherwise very good upgrade in detail, but the HDR upgrade is simply stellar!

I will always get the disc and form my own opinion. If its not up to par, I resell what I bought and stick with my Blu-ray disc.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

He uses a Sony X900H and a Sony UBP-X700. In his review of the X700, he says that if your display has Dolby Vision capability you have to enable Dolby Vision in settings. This leads me to believe his player is trying to "upscale" non-Dolby Vision video to Dolby Vision, which as HDTVTest explains in his UBP-X1100ES review, actually yields an inferior result (despite the fact that Sony seems to think their machine is performing magic to yield a superior result.) Despite this, I actually really enjoy Films At Home's videos, and he is actually an insider with the studios making him a reliable source of information on upcoming releases.

This disc is an HDR10+ disc meaning only those with a display/player combination like mine can see it in its full quality, thanks to the unfortunate lack of HDR10+ support from most other companies. Universal probably didn't think it was worth the licensing to also include Dolby Vision for the rest of us.

I read somewhere that QT is not a massive fan of HDR. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood had so-so HDR and I think it barely exceeded 400 nits. I expect IB to be in the same ballpark.

Also I don't consider Sony X900H to be a well rounded 4K HDR TV and despise forcing DV on players.

Pro-reviewers must have a nice calibrated 4K HDR TV (ex. OLEDs, high end LCDs) that offers the best 4K HDR picture quality for assessing picture quality.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

This disc is an HDR10+ disc meaning only those with a display/player combination like mine can see it in its full quality

*sigh*

That's not what it means.

[chocolat]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

*sigh*

That's not what it means.

I had a similar question though and asked it in another thread and it's easy to think why this could be the case. 4K wasn't the easiest thing to understand at first and it's only in the past year or so that people fully grasped the purpose and benefits of 4k. The biggest proof is how it's been around for 5 years available to the mainstream and hasn't really taken off and certain filmmakers absolutely giving no shits about it at all and don't even want to understand it.

People still want everything in 4k well good luck. Some things don't need to be, some things really would benefit but then no one involved cares much to even take the time anyways.

We're lucky we got what we've been getting 5 years later and some movies need an HD release period much less a 4k debut right out the gate. Let's not get too spoiled here, people.

[kristoffer]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

https://whysoblu.com/inglourious-bas...lu-ray-review/

Glad to see that "Pride Of The Nation" is now in HD.

[Scholer]

Originally Posted by lgans316

I read somewhere that QT is not a massive fan of HDR. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood had so-so HDR and I think it barely exceeded 400 nits. I expect IB to be in the same ballpark.

No, he has no issues with HDR, he simply opined that he found HDR a bit pointless since a film print already has much greater dynamic range, which HDR does well to replicate more closely, but even a HDR DCP isn’t as “HDR” as even a third generation film print simply because the colour space of negative is much greater by default. That’s why he goes out of his way to get film prints of digitally shot films for the Beverly.

Bong Joon Ho and Darius Khondji were similarly not very taken to HDR, and the latter talked about how he and Bong both felt that by doing a few 35mm prints of Okja they were adding in more HDR to the film than any digital HDR pass would ever add anyway. Of course this doesn’t mean that HDR is simply something that doesn’t appeal to film purists, both Nolan and PTA have embraced the technology openly, since they feel they can get their digital deliverables look closer to film prints using it.

There are some directors who just don’t find the look of HDR pleasing regardless of where they stand in the film vs digital debate, the Coens come to mind (they don’t mind digital any longer, but just don’t give a whit about HDR). Tarantino in contrast has no issues with HDR, just the notion that a film print is HDR by default.

[Scottishguy]

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by Scholer

No, he has no issues with HDR, he simply opined that he found HDR a bit pointless since a film print already has much greater dynamic range, which HDR does well to replicate more closely, but even a HDR DCP isn’t as “HDR” as even a third generation film print simply because the colour space of negative is much greater by default. That’s why he goes out of his way to get film prints of digitally shot films for the Beverly.

Bong Joon Ho and Darius Khondji were similarly not very taken to HDR, and the latter talked about how he and Bong both felt that by doing a few 35mm prints of Okja they were adding in more HDR to the film than any digital HDR pass would ever add anyway. Of course this doesn’t mean that HDR is simply something that doesn’t appeal to film purists, both Nolan and PTA have embraced the technology openly, since they feel they can get their digital deliverables look closer to film prints using it.

There are some directors who just don’t find the look of HDR pleasing regardless of where they stand in the film vs digital debate, the Coens come to mind (they don’t mind digital any longer, but just don’t give a whit about HDR). Tarantino in contrast has no issues with HDR, just the notion that a film print is HDR by default.

Just a shame most of us can't haul around 35mm prints.

[Dubliner1]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Usually Jeff doesn't leave himself this open should indeed his reviews prove to be utterly wrong. But after this, if IB is actually in fact a good UHD. There's no escaping this time he's doing HDR completely wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5xK...ature=youtu.be

It kinda' takes a bit of bravery to do an online review as you may be setting yourself up to be ridiculed. I applaud anyone who puts the effort in, regardless if they make mistakes or not.

I'm never going to buy a disc based purely on 1 review only. I've been buying physical media for years and will read several reviews from the same people. That way I find I get an overall feel what the disc may actually look/sound like.

[Kessel Run]

Maybe we will get a full 4k version someday vs a 2k upscale?

I love this movie but it's sounding like the premium day 1 pricing may not be worth it, plus lots of other releases vying for our dollars.

[dcx4610]

Jeff telling people to cancel their pre-order. That's really going to help the format to survive...

How about just say it's not a huge upgrade and leave it at that? It sounds to me he's one of those "HDR is too dark" people which means he either doesn't have his HDR configured correctly or he doesn't understand it.

While I've said the same thing about Donnie Darko, I still prefer it over the non-HDR version because it's more natural.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by dcx4610

Jeff telling people to cancel their pre-order. That's really going to help the format to survive...

But who is the real problem here? Is it him or all those people who are ready to cancel their preorders based on his words? (Jesus, even downloading a 4K HDR mkv file would have been a better way to judge if it's worth to buy or not.)

Something tells me those aren't enthusiasts and people who know what they are looking at, but average Joes who like their movies in 16:9, as grainless and as bright as possible. The format will survive and, fortunately, they have nothing to do with it.

[Geoff D]

If people are looking to buy a 4K disc in this day and age then they're still "enthusiasts", but the vast majority of people who watch FaH (in a non-ironic way) are of that kind of mindset, yes: don't like grain, want brightness and "pop" (ugh) and colour and sharpness and "real 4K", and anything less than that is deemed to be inferior. Jeff may be regarded as a "pro" by his followers but he's basically Joe Sixpack with a YouTube channel and his user base reflects that. We all want different things and I don't get what I want from his channel, so I don't click on the vids even for comedy value, it's just not worth my time.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

*sigh*

That's not what it means.

If they said Dolby then it would mean that round here

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

If people are looking to buy a 4K disc in this day and age then they're still "enthusiasts"

I agree, but there are enthusiasts and enthusiasts

[madfloyd]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

If people are looking to buy a 4K disc in this day and age then they're still "enthusiasts", but the vast majority of people who watch FaH (in a non-ironic way) are of that kind of mindset, yes: don't like grain, want brightness and "pop" (ugh) and colour and sharpness and "real 4K", and anything less than that is deemed to be inferior. Jeff may be regarded as a "pro" by his followers but he's basically Joe Sixpack with a YouTube channel and his user base reflects that. We all want different things and I don't get what I want from his channel, so I don't click on the vids even for comedy value, it's just not worth my time.

While I certainly take his opinions with a grain of salt, at least it's a data point. So few places to get any impressions these days let alone solid ones.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by Rusty100

I have the same TV and player, you do have to enable DV in the player settings, but that's just a software oddity. I do think you are recommended to turn the setting off when you're not playing a DV disc, so I wouldn't be surprised if it does something a bit weird to non-DV HDR Content. I think this youtube man is just kind of dumb or something.

Here is Sony's support article:

https://www.sony.com/electronics/sup...icles/00199921

Sony says to enable the setting if you have a Dolby Vision-capable display. This means they are essentially marketing a player that magically "upscales" non-Dolby Vision video to Dolby Vision and makes sure that your display is always getting a Dolby Vision signal. Nobody should have to dig into a settings menu when they are about to play a certain disc. A settings menu should be a "set it and forget it" item. Same reason I wish Panasonic had Source Direct like OPPO which automatically changes the output resolution to that of the video being played.

[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

I agree, but there are enthusiasts and enthusiasts

The problem is that they rely on enthusiasts to pick up new formats, then they go 'F*CK YOU GUYS!' as soon as Tommy Tesco comes along.

[madfloyd]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

https://whysoblu.com/inglourious-bas...lu-ray-review/

Almost everything reviewed on that sight gets 5 stars for video lol.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

*sigh*

That's not what it means.

That means that if you own a display other than a Panasonic, Samsung or VIZIO, or a player other than a later-model Panasonic, later-model Samsung or OPPO with beta firmware, you can only see this movie without the benefits of dynamic metadata. I wish LG and Sony would jump into the HDR10+ bandwagon as that's what the majority of us are using. It wouldn't be much for them to pay the extra licensing to have HDR10+ as a good will gesture, considering how expensive their displays are.