Justice League 4K UHD (2017)

[shane01]

I'm thinking a box set somewhere down the road will include a "Snyder Cut" as a bonus feature. And it'll omit a deleted scene or two that had leaked online in 2017 that Snyder never intended to include and it'll be controversial for the DCEU fans

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by Deric2014

You realize Zack Snyder had enough time with Post Production October 2016 to May 2017 when he stepped down and also Junkie XL finished most of the soundtrack for Justice League.

October to May isn't enough time to get enough post-production finished for this type of movie. This big CGI-heavy movies often have post-production ongoing right until the last minute (the first Hobbit film had it's final VFX shot finished the day of the Premiere). Junkie XL had also not recorded most of his score. Score recording is one of the last things to be done (hence why Michael Giacchino replaced Alexandre Desplat on Rogue One - Desplat's schedule didn't leave him time to score Rogue One after the third act was reworked). It's very rare for the score to be worked on before this; John Williams was working on the score for The Force Awakens as it was being filmed and his main takeaway was that it was a very unusual scoring process. Scoring is left so late in the schedule, that many directors have already edited their films to temp scores; annoying composers as the director will request the score to match the temp (this is why so many Hollywood scores sound very similar).

Besides, I'm fairly certain Junkie confirmed he'd barely started work on the score when he left and Danny Elfman confirmed that when he started work on the film in June it was completely unfinished - confirming Snyder had no "finished" cut at all.

[joenostalgia23]

Snyder did share a photo in his social media with him working with JunkieXL at the studio months before he left. Even if JunkieXL did not complete his score before being fired there is something out there than can be heard, Be it early demos of motifs or entirely finished scenes.

[zodwriter]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

Snyder did share a photo in his social media with him working with JunkieXL at the studio months before he left. Even if JunkieXL did not complete his score before being fired there is something out there than can be heard, Be it early demos of motifs or entirely finished scenes.

The JunkieXL score is complete. Again a lot of what people are saying is based on reporting that is not accurate. Whedon's decision to fire JunkieXL was as much an afterthought as many of the last minute re-shoots and buffoon-like changes that were made for the sake of change. Studio mandates and knee jerk reactions are what caused Justice League to be such an epic failure.

[xbs2034]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

Snyder did share a photo in his social media with him working with JunkieXL at the studio months before he left. Even if JunkieXL did not complete his score before being fired there is something out there than can be heard, Be it early demos of motifs or entirely finished scenes.

Well, we know his version of "Come Together" is included in the credits and was obviously being worked on before the score given its inclusion in the first trailer

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

Snyder did share a photo in his social media with him working with JunkieXL at the studio months before he left. Even if JunkieXL did not complete his score before being fired there is something out there than can be heard, Be it early demos of motifs or entirely finished scenes.

It will have been demos and early ideas. Junkie XL, being Zimmer's protege, scores in much the same way; he creates a lot of demos and demo suites of what he has in mind for the score (Zimmer delivered a 30 minute demo suite for Man of Steel and a Joker demo suite for The Dark Knight that lasted nearly an entire plane ride from Chicago to Hong Kong, which is where Nolan listened to it). The composer will sometimes also sit in on the editing of a movie or have many meetings with the director before actually starting work on the score so they can both narrow down the "feel" of the score.

Junkie may have started work on some demos and demo suites, but any actual work on the score would not have started (since scoring rarely begins in earnest until a more final cut is locked down - which Synder never had).

IIRC, Junkie has said that he never actually did much work on Justice League. From what I've heard, Junkie's scores for other movies were used as a temp score for Snyder's unfinished early cut, which is where the confusion and misinformation that Junkie had completed a full score might be coming from (since Junkie's scores do end up sounding very similar to each other).

The only finished Junkie XL track I'm aware of is the Come Together song used in the trailer (and later included on the soundtrack).

[zodwriter]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

It will have been demos and early ideas. Junkie XL, being Zimmer's protege, scores in much the same way; he creates a lot of demos and demo suites of what he has in mind for the score (Zimmer delivered a 30 minute demo suite for Man of Steel and a Joker demo suite for The Dark Knight that lasted nearly an entire plane ride from Chicago to Hong Kong, which is where Nolan listened to it). The composer will sometimes also sit in on the editing of a movie or have many meetings with the director before actually starting work on the score so they can both narrow down the "feel" of the score.

Junkie may have started work on some demos and demo suites, but any actual work on the score would not have started (since scoring rarely begins in earnest until a more final cut is locked down - which Synder never had).

IIRC, Junkie has said that he never actually did much work on Justice League. From what I've heard, Junkie's scores for other movies were used as a temp score for Snyder's unfinished early cut, which is where the confusion and misinformation that Junkie had completed a full score might be coming from (since Junkie's scores do end up sounding very similar to each other).

The only finished Junkie XL track I'm aware of is the Come Together song used in the trailer (and later included on the soundtrack).

This is completely untrue! If you read the interview with Danny Elfman it totally debunks this. According to Elfman he scored only stuff that Whedon shot and often times was working off storyboards. Most composers will be creating scores without seeing any film footage. Not sure where you are getting your information but wrong again! JunkieXL completed his score and was replaced unceremoniously with Elfman.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by zodwriter

This is completely untrue! If you read the interview with Danny Elfman it totally debunks this. According to Elfman he scored only stuff that Whedon shot and often times was working off storyboards. Most composers will be creating scores without seeing any film footage. Not sure where you are getting your information but wrong again! JunkieXL completed his score and was replaced unceremoniously with Elfman.

Nowhere has Elfman said this.

He has said he got the call last minute, was told he'd have to decide then and there and start work the next day. He said he was scoring to a lot of unfinished footage, some of which was storyboards. He never says it was mostly storyboards, but says he had a stretch of full scenes then a few minutes of storyboards before back to full scenes (which lines up with what was officially reported Whedon reshot - small segments throughout). He also says he never wrote any music for any deleted scenes; as they were cut before he signed onto the film. The film he started scoring in June was the film released in November.

Considering Whedon took over the film in May and Elfman started working on it in June, the timeline doesn't really sync up for him only scoring things Whedon shot does it?

Composers do not create scores without seeing finished footage. At most they create basic demos and sketches of themes and motifs. An actual score is not constructed until there's a complete cut to work from. John Williams has said that Rey's Theme was born from him seeing Daisy Ridley's performance, which required him seeing actual footage. Composers will only have demos and sketches born from reading the script at first before developing them with a complete cut. Howard Shore wrote most of the themes for Lord of the Rings from the script, concept art and pre-visualisations, but didn't actually start on the score until he had a cut to work from.

There's no way Junkie XL had a score completely recorded. Timelines don't match up. It was logistically unlikely; no cut to work from, no recording was actually done with an orchestra of any kind from what we're aware of (and it is normally well known when a score is being recorded).

I'm not sure where you've got your information, apart form your vague "I've talked with someone from the production" which for all we know is a pile of crap. It's no better than a tabloid saying "our exclusive insider". Because a lot of your information seems to be impossible in the logistics and reality of film production.

[zodwriter]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

Nowhere has Elfman said this.

He has said he got the call last minute, was told he'd have to decide then and there and start work the next day. He said he was scoring to a lot of unfinished footage, some of which was storyboards. He never says it was mostly storyboards, but says he had a stretch of full scenes then a few minutes of storyboards before back to full scenes (which lines up with what was officially reported Whedon reshot - small segments throughout). He also says he never wrote any music for any deleted scenes; as they were cut before he signed onto the film. The film he started scoring in June was the film released in November.

Considering Whedon took over the film in May and Elfman started working on it in June, the timeline doesn't really sync up for him only scoring things Whedon shot does it?

Composers do not create scores without seeing finished footage. At most they create basic demos and sketches of themes and motifs. An actual score is not constructed until there's a complete cut to work from. John Williams has said that Rey's Theme was born from him seeing Daisy Ridley's performance, which required him seeing actual footage. Composers will only have demos and sketches born from reading the script at first before developing them with a complete cut. Howard Shore wrote most of the themes for Lord of the Rings from the script, concept art and pre-visualisations, but didn't actually start on the score until he had a cut to work from.

There's no way Junkie XL had a score completely recorded. Timelines don't match up. It was logistically unlikely; no cut to work from, no recording was actually done with an orchestra of any kind from what we're aware of (and it is normally well known when a score is being recorded).

I'm not sure where you've got your information, apart form your vague "I've talked with someone from the production" which for all we know is a pile of crap. It's no better than a tabloid saying "our exclusive insider". Because a lot of your information seems to be impossible in the logistics and reality of film production.

I'm going to wait to definitively reply to everything you have said when I am allowed to reveal who I chatted with. There is no point in going back and forth with you, because you are severely misinformed. You seem to underestimate the amount of time things take in the logistics and the reality of film production. I'll give an example of a recent film situation that could easily have been a disaster but apparently is not. Ridley Scott replaced Kevin Spacey completely with Christopher Plummer in the movie: All The Money In The World. Scott re-shot all of Spacey's scenes in only four days! When I look at that situation it is not so difficult to believe that Snyder completed his cut of Justice League which he had been working on for well over a year. The movie had been screened by the studio and test audiences. It was not merely an assembly cut! It is a full version with a complete score and VFX. When Joss Whedon took over the production he brought his own vision to the film, which is why it turned out the way it did. His decisions were totally counter to what Zack Snyder wanted to do. When he replaced Junkie XL a week after taking over with Danny Elfman it was the first sign of many that Zack Snyder's vision had been abandoned by WB. The only reason I reply to your posts is because you continue to spread misinformation as if you have some inside knowledge. I'm not responding to you again because I have no agenda or reason to fabricate anything. I simply want the truth to come out and for Zack Snyder's version to be released. I don't have to justify myself to you or anyone else and if you think what I am saying is a pile of crap, that's absolutely fine with me because I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by zodwriter

I'm going to wait to definitively reply to everything you have said when I am allowed to reveal who I chatted with. There is no point in going back and forth with you, because you are severely misinformed. You seem to underestimate the amount of time things take in the logistics and the reality of film production. I'll give an example of a recent film situation that could easily have been a disaster but apparently is not. Ridley Scott replaced Kevin Spacey completely with Christopher Plummer in the movie: All The Money In The World. Scott re-shot all of Spacey's scenes in only four days! When I look at that situation it is not so difficult to believe that Snyder completed his cut of Justice League which he had been working on for well over a year. The movie had been screened by the studio and test audiences. It was not merely an assembly cut! It is a full version with a complete score and VFX. When Joss Whedon took over the production he brought his own vision to the film, which is why it turned out the way it did. His decisions were totally counter to what Zack Snyder wanted to do. When he replaced Junkie XL a week after taking over with Danny Elfman it was the first sign of many that Zack Snyder's vision had been abandoned by WB. The only reason I reply to your posts is because you continue to spread misinformation as if you have some inside knowledge. I'm not responding to you again because I have no agenda or reason to fabricate anything. I simply want the truth to come out and for Zack Snyder's version to be released. I don't have to justify myself to you or anyone else and if you think what I am saying is a pile of crap, that's absolutely fine with me because I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

All The Money In The World is a completely different type of film to Justice League. It was only able to have scenes reshot in 4 days because it's not a special effects heavy film. Also the film was pretty much done at this stage, it was only Plummer's scenes that needed to be filmed, colour graded and inserted into the film (Plummer mentioned they only had minimal takes as Ridley knew exactly what he wanted due to having the film already edited). Also to note that Plummer's role was only a small one (Kevin Spacey was only on set for 10 days of the initial 3 month shoot). The fact you're using it as an example of why Zack's JL cut was complete is showing a bit of a misunderstanding of how productions on different scales operate. Joss Whedon shot an entire film (Much Ado About Nothing) over the course of a weekend. Doesn't mean anything related to Justice League's production. These big blockbusters shoot for longer and have a longer post-production as a result.

I'm not acting like I have inside knowledge, I'm just using what I've learned from several leaks and reports as well as my own knowledge of film production and pointing out that it is logistically and realistically impossible for Snyder to have a cut with completely finished VFX and a completed score for early 2017 when the film only wrapped in October 2016. For that to happen, the VFX team would have had to have worked non-stop without breaks or sleep for months straight. I don't think you realise how long VFX takes. It's not as simple as some like to believe.

Most big Hollywood movies wrap filming around a year before release because of VFX. VFX that is worked on right up until the end of production. A VFX artist, who had his identity verified, said in a Reddit AMA that they were working on one of the tightest schedules they've ever seen for Justice League, with his implication being that the VFX was so rushed that it's a miracle it was finished in any form. There is no way the VFX was completed for early 2017. VFX is often one of the last things to be finished with some films not delivering their final VFX shots right until the end.

VFX artists already make clear they're worked to breaking point even with a year or more to do VFX for these big movies. There is no way on Earth Justice League had all it's VFX completed in about five months.

You keep saying Snyder had a cut with completed VFX before he left the film, but I don't see how realistically that's possible considering how long VFX takes for these types of movies. I'm not asking you to prove yourself or anything, it's just that you're saying a lot of things without any evidence to back them up and don't seem realistically possible considering the scale of the production and how these films are made. And then, when called out on this, you just repeat yourself and continually say "Wrong! There is a Snyder cut with completed VFX" and never explain how this is possible which in turn makes it difficult to believe what you say.

Comparing the production of a $50 million crime thriller to a $300 million superhero film isn't a very relevant comparison.

Let's look at Han Solo (a more relevant comparison) - that's been almost completely reshot a year before release and, despite Ron Howard's incredibly fast work, there's lots of concerns it might not be finished in time for it's May release date. So if Justice League went through something similar over six months, there would have been a lot more murmurs and whispers about it from the various publications following Hollywood.

My main sticking point:

- The timescale of everything you say happened doesn't make any sense and doesn't really line up with what we know about the production of the film and films like it. To me, everything you suggest shows either a big misunderstanding of how long filming, editing, VFX, scoring etc. actually takes for a project of this scale or an overestimation of it. The suggestion that the VFX was completed after five months of post-production and then the entire film remade with all the VFX redone and an entirely new score written in six months is pure insanity (in my opinion). Han Solo was remade BEFORE any VFX work began and there's concerns the VFX won't be done in time. And that was a year before release. A film of this scale cannot be made in six months. It's realistically impossible.

[SwaGGInTheShadows]

Originally Posted by zodwriter

I'm going to wait to definitively reply to everything you have said when I am allowed to reveal who I chatted with. There is no point in going back and forth with you, because you are severely misinformed. You seem to underestimate the amount of time things take in the logistics and the reality of film production. I'll give an example of a recent film situation that could easily have been a disaster but apparently is not. Ridley Scott replaced Kevin Spacey completely with Christopher Plummer in the movie: All The Money In The World. Scott re-shot all of Spacey's scenes in only four days! When I look at that situation it is not so difficult to believe that Snyder completed his cut of Justice League which he had been working on for well over a year. The movie had been screened by the studio and test audiences. It was not merely an assembly cut! It is a full version with a complete score and VFX. When Joss Whedon took over the production he brought his own vision to the film, which is why it turned out the way it did. His decisions were totally counter to what Zack Snyder wanted to do. When he replaced Junkie XL a week after taking over with Danny Elfman it was the first sign of many that Zack Snyder's vision had been abandoned by WB. The only reason I reply to your posts is because you continue to spread misinformation as if you have some inside knowledge. I'm not responding to you again because I have no agenda or reason to fabricate anything. I simply want the truth to come out and for Zack Snyder's version to be released. I don't have to justify myself to you or anyone else and if you think what I am saying is a pile of crap, that's absolutely fine with me because I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

I applaud your effing passion..
Whether youre right or wrong(im praying you are right), i want you fighting by my side for whatever battle..lol..

Snyder was done soooo wrong, with all things considering

That is All

[Deric2014]

https://batman-news.com/2017/05/02/j...e-zack-snyder/
Here's a interesting link I remember reading many months ago Junkie XL scoring the Justice League.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by Deric2014

https://batman-news.com/2017/05/02/j...e-zack-snyder/
Here's a interesting link I remember reading many months ago Junkie XL scoring the Justice League.

Interestingly, he's talking exclusively in the future tense; as if he has yet to start work on the score properly.

[xbs2034]

Originally Posted by zodwriter

I'm going to wait to definitively reply to everything you have said when I am allowed to reveal who I chatted with. There is no point in going back and forth with you, because you are severely misinformed. You seem to underestimate the amount of time things take in the logistics and the reality of film production. I'll give an example of a recent film situation that could easily have been a disaster but apparently is not. Ridley Scott replaced Kevin Spacey completely with Christopher Plummer in the movie: All The Money In The World. Scott re-shot all of Spacey's scenes in only four days! When I look at that situation it is not so difficult to believe that Snyder completed his cut of Justice League which he had been working on for well over a year. The movie had been screened by the studio and test audiences. It was not merely an assembly cut! It is a full version with a complete score and VFX. When Joss Whedon took over the production he brought his own vision to the film, which is why it turned out the way it did. His decisions were totally counter to what Zack Snyder wanted to do. When he replaced Junkie XL a week after taking over with Danny Elfman it was the first sign of many that Zack Snyder's vision had been abandoned by WB. The only reason I reply to your posts is because you continue to spread misinformation as if you have some inside knowledge. I'm not responding to you again because I have no agenda or reason to fabricate anything. I simply want the truth to come out and for Zack Snyder's version to be released. I don't have to justify myself to you or anyone else and if you think what I am saying is a pile of crap, that's absolutely fine with me because I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

http://www.vulture.com/2017/12/ridle...-reshoots.html

All the Money in the World's Plummer reshoots were 9 days, not 4. And Ridley Scott said they would've been 23 or 24 days for most filmmakers, but he and his crew are incredibly efficient.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...3999&FORM=VIRE

Kevin Smith talking about the Justice League earlier cut, and a woman who saw the test screening is in the audience, and she mentions unfinished visual effects.

[cmay13]

Has there been any announcement on when this is getting released? Apparently it's available later this month on digital. This seems awfully quick

[Deric2014]

Originally Posted by cmay13

Has there been any announcement on when this is getting released? Apparently it's available later this month on digital. This seems awfully quick

Yeah Warner Bros wants to release this quick before people forget about it and plus Justice League failed to get the same amount of money as Batman V Superman which is still the highest grossing DCEU film so far.

[RalphoR]

It will do well on the home media front. Although I'm ticked off with all the incompetence from Warners in regards to Justice League it's time to look forward to Aquaman and beyond. There's no excuses anymore for the DCEU to be a chaotic mess.

[StarWarsIsAwesome123]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

October to May isn't enough time to get enough post-production finished for this type of movie. This big CGI-heavy movies often have post-production ongoing right until the last minute (the first Hobbit film had it's final VFX shot finished the day of the Premiere). Junkie XL had also not recorded most of his score. Score recording is one of the last things to be done (hence why Michael Giacchino replaced Alexandre Desplat on Rogue One - Desplat's schedule didn't leave him time to score Rogue One after the third act was reworked). It's very rare for the score to be worked on before this; John Williams was working on the score for The Force Awakens as it was being filmed and his main takeaway was that it was a very unusual scoring process. Scoring is left so late in the schedule, that many directors have already edited their films to temp scores; annoying composers as the director will request the score to match the temp (this is why so many Hollywood scores sound very similar).

Besides, I'm fairly certain Junkie confirmed he'd barely started work on the score when he left and Danny Elfman confirmed that when he started work on the film in June it was completely unfinished - confirming Snyder had no "finished" cut at all.

The Han Solo film started post production in October and is being released in May. And those films are just as CGI-heavy.

[zodwriter]

Originally Posted by xbs2034

http://www.vulture.com/2017/12/ridle...-reshoots.html

All the Money in the World's Plummer reshoots were 9 days, not 4. And Ridley Scott said they would've been 23 or 24 days for most filmmakers, but he and his crew are incredibly efficient.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...3999&FORM=VIRE

Kevin Smith talking about the Justice League earlier cut, and a woman who saw the test screening is in the audience, and she mentions unfinished visual effects.

All The Money In The World filming info depends on what reports your listen to. Initial reports said shooting with Plummer was completed in 4 days.

The Kevin Smith Fatman on Batman podcast is the biggest piece of evidence known to the public to support the existence of a full Snyder Cut of Justice League. Nobody is saying that there are not some VFX that are unfinished. (many completed films have unfinished VFX) The majority of the VFX in Snyder's version are completed. Certainly had Zack Snyder remained in charge of Justice League all his VFX would be complete. The main point that people do not understand is that Zack Snyder shot his entire film. It's all there, all the footage exists. Any VFX that need work would likely be completed before his version gets an official release.

Many online like to act as though they definitively know that there is no Snyder Cut and they use the excuse that WB isn't going to pay millions of dollars to finish a few additional VFX. That is completely false and even without every VFX shot being polished, a very release worthy version of the Snyder Cut of Justice League exists. I'm baffled by all the push-back on this and the absolute certainty of people. People need to understand that if there is money to be made from Snyder's Cut of Justice League, it will get a release. The source I spoke with told me don't be surprised if Snyder himself pays for it. https://cinemacure.wordpress.com/201...ustice-league/

[Deric2014]

Hey guys I found a leaked deleted scene from Justice League which was filmed by Zack Snyder but it was cut out by Joss Whedon and the effects are clearly unfinished.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MAHDCi/st...80595874508801