The Official Energy Speakers Thread

[BigAl87]

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[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

Leave your beastly eD sub up front where you have it and then move the V10 to the rear that way bass will be coming from front and back and see if you prefer that better. Centered would be ideal, but if you cant do that then try opposite corners. That should help smooth out the bass and fill the room more evenly.

That sounds like a smarter plan I was just wondering how his v10 will respond in the back. The biggest issue here is he does not really have a rear wall. Ideally you would put one dead center on the front wall and the other one dead center on back. Or again on side walls but the 2 are different. We are in for a challenge but moving the 35lbs v10 is easier than the 73lbs ED.

I just think we'll have to experiment! I't will be fun. We'll start by moving the v10 close to back surrounds facing the opposite wall on the right of sthe listener as you proposed basically.

Thanks for the input Callas.

What he has as flooring could also affect the performance of his ED not sure whats under that floor and how its made. Construction of a nice base might be part of the anwser.

[cfurtado]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

That sounds like a smarter plan I was just wondering how his v10 will respond in the back. The biggest issue here is he does not really have a rear wall. Ideally you would put one dead center on the front wall and the other one dead center on back. Or again on side walls but the 2 are different. We are in for a challenge but moving the 35lbs v10 is easier than the 73lbs ED.

I just think we'll have to experiment! I't will be fun. We'll start by moving the v10 close to back surrounds facing the opposite wall on the right of sthe listener as you proposed basically.

Thanks for the input Callas.

What he has as flooring could also affect the performance of his ED not sure whats under that floor and how its made. Construction of a nice base might be part of the anwser.

Yea the openess behind the sitting area really doesnt help...
i was thinking of selling the ED sub...to buy another V10...
is that a good move ?

[callas01]

keep the eD.

[Cpt_Dylan_Hunt]

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

My speakers are setup exactly according to the C-series manual.

I fed my test signals into each speaker individually through the mulit-channel inputs on the back of my AVR. That by passes Yamaha's DSP and bass management too. The signals are then passed on to my external power amps. All my AVR is doing during the testing is acting as a volume control and setting up the proper delay time according to the distances I measured from the SPL meter to the speakers. I tested my speakers this way to make sure I bypass as much of Yamaha's processing as I can get away with.

YPAO emphasizes the 5 KHz to 10 K Hz range clear and simple. I set up my Tannoy Speakers on top of my subs, which placed them about the same location and height as my C-300s. YPAO gave the same result for the Tannoys, boosting the highs + 6.0 db in the 6K - 8 k Hz range. The Tannoys are higher end than Energy C-series too. It's not the speakers or their setup. My SPL meter doesn't lie. The speaker response in my HT room is much flatter with the equalizer off. When YPAO is switched on, the highs are too dominate and overbearing making not only movies sound awful but music too. So, I leave the Equalizer setting on off. It sounds more natural that way.

Since I have external power amplifiers, I'll be buying a Emotiva UMC-1 AUDIO-VIDEO PROCESSOR after they become available. They are reasonable priced and don't cost much more than a Yamaha entry level AVR. I expect better quality from Emotiva and I don't mind paying for it either.

That' funny because I've tried YPAO with multiple different speaker setups, and switching it on almost always takes brightness away. But like too much of it, mids are completely missing. I ran it again last night and it did the same thing. Switching to "off" actually makes the speakers sound brighter than YPAOs flat setting. YPAO seems to like to boost upper treble and bass for me.

YPAO emphasizes the 5 KHz to 10 K Hz range clear and simple

For me it emphazies it by making it non existant. I become aware of that range because of how lacking it is!!!

Plain and simple, I am having the complete opposite experience as you. And I have tried it with many speaker placements, including the one reccomended by Energy. (Which I don't prefer for imaging in my room). And I have a pretty good test cd to test imaging specifically.

It's not the speakers or their setup

There have been many complaints about lack of lower treble and/or upper mids regarding c-series by people using many different receivers, under many different circumstances in many different rooms, and even fancy tests with numbers which you like also indicate it in revies i've seen on the internet.

Almost anyone who ever owned the original connoisseur series also seems to think the c-series are lacking mids and sound dull and muffled.

It's a combination of things, c-series are great, but they are not perfect speakers, and my 6160's YPAO is not boosting the same range as yours in my room.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

keep the eD.

Yup I second that the ED is hell of sub if properly setup I really got to get my ass in your place and ajust x-over, phase and more. If the sub is out phase it will eleminate itself with the speaker bass. So it's also importatnt to find the right setting there too.

Now my question to cfurtado is what kind of floor is it exactly I would guess you have concrete under this, is this hardwood? or floating floor you have there.

I would vote to build a riser base for that sub as I mentioned in previous posts.

[Cpt_Dylan_Hunt]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Yup I second that the ED is hell of sub if properly setup I really got to get my ass in your place and ajust x-over, phase and more. If the sub is out phase it will eleminate itself with the speaker bass. So it's also importatnt to find the right setting there too.

Now my question to cfurtado is what kind of floor is it exactly I would guess you have concrete under this, is this hardwood? or floating floor you have there.

I would vote to build a riser base for that sub as I mentioned in previous posts.

In a room like that for sure. Like I said before, in super huge rooms even dual V10s wouldn't cut it for HT.

He should get another identical ED sub, and sell his v10 to BigAI87 at a discount in appreciatin for his services in setting up his HT!

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by Cpt_Dylan_Hunt

In a room like that for sure. Like I said before, in super huge rooms even dual V10s wouldn't cut it for HT.

He should get another identical ED sub, and sell his v10 to BigAI87 at a discount in appreciatin for his services in setting up his HT!

Yeah I would appreciate that would not be to bad with my 10.3 hehe

Sorry but my most important duty is calling me Canadiens have their home openers Capt.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Yeah I would appreciate that would not be to bad with my 10.3 hehe

No, no , no, then you have to send me your 10.3 as a trade for my AA HD-SUB10. Because I am............ cool as hell.

[Cpt_Dylan_Hunt]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Yeah I would appreciate that would not be to bad with my 10.3 hehe

Sorry but my most important duty is calling me Canadiens have their home openers Capt.

I would use it instead of the 10.3 rather than dual subs. But that's a different story lol. (And depends on room size)

I know the 10.2 is a different sub, but I tried it in a dual sub setup, and it seemed to take away the tightness of the v10. the dual subs produced a more even bass response in the room, but from my seating position it didn't matter anyway. I preferred the v10 by itself, over the 10.2 and v10 combo.

I still have all my buddy's stuff here, I need to get it to him damnit.

[Cpt_Dylan_Hunt]

Originally Posted by callas01

No, no , no, then you have to send me your 10.3 as a trade for my AA HD-SUB10. Because I am............ cool as hell.

Hell yeah, see? It all works out!

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

No, no , no, then you have to send me your 10.3 as a trade for my AA HD-SUB10. Because I am............ cool as hell.

When you auditionned the 10.3 was it that much better than your AA?

[BigAl87]

Cpt.tell me in what aspect the s10.2 is so similar to the 10.3?

The 10.3 is down ported and has the ribbed eleptical surround found on the V10 and is 50 watts more powerful so I wonder what difference I would find between the 2 in terms of sound.

the cone looks similar though.

[Cpt_Dylan_Hunt]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Cpt.tell me in what aspect the s10.2 is so similar to the 10.3?

The 10.3 is down ported and has the ribbed eleptical surround found on the V10 and is 50 watts more powerful so I wonder what difference I would find between the 2 in terms of sound.

the cone looks similar though.

Actually I said it's a different sub. I've only heard the 10.3 in stores which doesn't really count so I never mentioned it, but the 10.2 reminded me of it. I think the box meaurements are closer too, you can check. However, I'd be willing to bet that if I had them all in one room for a testing, the 10.2 would be closer to the 10.3 in sound than the 10.3 is to the v10. The v10 is 100 wattsrms more powerful than the 10.3 and 1200 watts dynamic vs 800. But like you said, it's all in the sound not specs anyway.

Im not sure what you're getting at, but if you like your 10.3 over a v10, that's your choice. The 10.2 and 10.3 are also much closer in weight and both have 1.5" voice coils vs 2" on the v10.

[Cpt_Dylan_Hunt]

Description
Model: S10.2 powered subwoofer

Dimensions: 15.75"H x 15.75"W x 17.3"D
Weight: 33.3 pounds

Features
10" injection-molded polypropylene woofer with rubber surround and 1.5" voice coil
150W (RMS), 600W (peak) MOSFET amplifier
Dual 2"-diameter flared front vents
Audio/Video EQ
Variable low-pass filter (50Hz to 100Hz)
RCA and speaker-level inputs
Front-mounted controls
Black-ash vinyl finish

s10.3
System Type Bass reflex with downward firing ports
Frequency Response 21Hz-120Hz +/- 3dB
Amplifier Power Output 200 Watts continuous, 800 Watts dynamic peak Woofer 10" Polypropylene ceramic/glass/mica deposit hybrid with ribbed elliptical surround
Variable Low Pass Filter 50Hz-110Hz @ 18dB/Octave
Variable Phase Control -180 to +180(o), continuously variable
Power Mode Switch Off/Auto/On
Inputs Low level, stereo high level (speaker level)
Overall Dimensions 440 x 366 x 465mm (HxWxD), 17.33" x 14.14" x 18.31"
Weight 34 lbs
Crossover Filter Switch Active/Bypass
Max Driver Excursion 1.57" peak-to-peak
Voice Coil Diameter 1.5"
Finishes Black or Shadow Silver

ESWV10

System Type Bass Reflex with Rear Firing Dual Ports
Frequency Response 23Hz-120Hz +/- 3dB
Amplifier Power Output 300 Watts RMS, 1200 Watts Dynamic
Woofer 10” (25.4 cm) Woven Composite Fiberglas™ Cone with Patented Ribbed Elliptical Surround
Variable Low Pass Filter 40Hz-120Hz @ 18dB/octave
Variable Phase Control -180° to +180°
Power Mode Switch On/Auto/Off
Inputs Line In/Sub In & Speaker Level In
Overall Dimensions inches: 14 5/8 x 14 5/8 x 15 5/8
mm: 371.5 x 371.5 x 396.9
(add 2 1/16” (52.4mm) for feet)
Weight 39.7 lb / 18 kg
Crossover Filter Switch Active / Bypass
Voice Coil Diameter 2” (508 mm)
Finishes High Gloss Black Polyurethane

Not sure how much different ribbed elliptical makes in real life. The new cf/cbs have it, yet most people seem to prefer the c-series for example.

[MaCruz]

My gf (LeAnn) got me a pair of C-200's for Christmas, but I won't get them in a few months since it's still October.

Anyway, I plan on moving my C100's that's currently at the front and move those to the rear as the C200's will take over as my front speakers, while keeping my C-C50 (center channel).

What do you guys think?

[cfurtado]

He should get another identical ED sub, and sell his v10 to BigAI87 at a discount in appreciatin for his services in setting up his HT

lol love that,that made me laugh

well the floor is a floating floor,but like a really good one and its cement under...

i was testing out stuff and i really feel that the v10 has more impact loll i dont know if im crazy but i was watching die hard 4 and gosh the last action scene it was crazy

the bass of the ED isnt clean,i dont know it sounds like a mess somtimes...

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by Cpt_Dylan_Hunt

Actually I said it's a different sub. I've only heard the 10.3 in stores which doesn't really count so I never mentioned it, but the 10.2 reminded me of it. I think the box meaurements are closer too, you can check. However, I'd be willing to bet that if I had them all in one room for a testing, the 10.2 would be closer to the 10.3 in sound than the 10.3 is to the v10. The v10 is 100 wattsrms more powerful than the 10.3 and 1200 watts dynamic vs 800. But like you said, it's all in the sound not specs anyway.

Im not sure what you're getting at, but if you like your 10.3 over a v10, that's your choice. The 10.2 and 10.3 are also much closer in weight and both have 1.5" voice coils vs 2" on the v10.

I was going nowhere with that I was just curious on how it compared in sound to it's predecessor.

V10 would defenately be my choice bro no doubt in my mind.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by cfurtado

He should get another identical ED sub, and sell his v10 to BigAI87 at a discount in appreciatin for his services in setting up his HT

lol love that,that made me laugh

well the floor is a floating floor,but like a really good one and its cement under...

i was testing out stuff and i really feel that the v10 has more impact loll i dont know if im crazy but i was watching die hard 4 and gosh the last action scene it was crazy

the bass of the ED isnt clean,i dont know it sounds like a mess somtimes...

What is the X-over set at on the ED?
Floating directly on cement certainly not the best for this sub bro. You need that riser I was talking about.

Look at this great thread from Big Daddy.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=103410

[cfurtado]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

What is the X-over set at on the ED?
Floating directly on cement certainly not the best for this sub bro. You need that riser I was talking about.

Look at this great thread from Big Daddy.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=103410

x over ? lol the phase ??

je suis vraiment nul