Dark Force Entertainment Discussion Thread

[Mpmarks1975]

Much to most companies annoyance these forums exist so people who watch these films, from various different versions, runtimes, etc will nit pick, critique, or praise a release. Observationally people became annoyed by the Bill like practice of artificially trying to make this scarce thus inflating the price for "collectors". Nobody can say if this print was the exact runtime that every drive-in played across the US. DF never claimed it was the full uncut version, so could have ignored the whining, without the need to make this a hoarders is fleabay situation. That is the main grumble, not like the bigger boutique labels don't ignore problems on a regular basis.

[GilaFilms]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Haha!

Well, like I said, CR did title it "The House that Vanished" and not "Scream and Die."

There are many sources both online and in-print which state that "The House That Vanished" is under 90min runtime.

So, if CR did check and was like "well, my print is 89min, therefore I will market it as The House that Vanished instead of Scream and Die - maybe my print is a slightly longer cut of the typical US version?" then that would 100% make sense, especially as it was sourced from an actual 35mm drive in print. It also says 89 min on the back of the box for the runtime. Even doing research in this case, the sources you'd typically go to mostly indicate an under 90min runtime for THTV - even books in print like the one I pointed out earlier in the thread say THTV is the US cut with shorter runtime. So can you really blame CR for going along with what the typical sources you'd check out state for the titling vs runtime of the film? It is not uncommon for films of this decade to have different US and European cuts, some of this decade even have hardcore inserts that extend the runtime, etc.

When you have movies this old and in such RUINOUS condition, its not always going to be an exact science what you have and what actually was onscreen 40 years ago, especially when many sources support that the version titled "The House that Vanished" ran under 90min. Some have other evidence that contradicts this (and this evidence in itself is contradictory, most says 84min, but some sources indicate 95min, and one even 99min), but given all this varying evidence does anyone actually know 100% for sure what played onscreen in every drive in 40yr ago? Answer to that is no, but this 35mm print they used for THTV apparently did make the drive-in rounds (and it looks like it!).

Given the most recent eBay auction for Dark Force's The House that Vanished package just successfully sold for $28.50 shipped and there are listings up for $40, this is really much ado about nothing as you can get your money back flipping the release if you don't like it. Its not like you are going to suffer some huge loss if you don't like the cut version.

I own original paperwork from the American distributor that indisputably proves the American release, under the title THE HOUSE THAT VANISHED, runs the same length as SCREAM AND DIE. Dark Force used a print that was most likely cut by a regional distributor. Nothing wrong with buying it, just know what you're getting. I purchased it...will make a composite cut with my VHS at some point.

[GilaFilms]

Originally Posted by Dark Force

It's getting a major upgrade. We are doing a major restoration to it with the best guy in Los Angeles. It will definitely look better than it ever has. Putting a lot into this release to continue to drive the series forward.

Welcome aboard, Dark Force. Will the fourth volume of the Drive-In series be available at Diabolik and Screen Archives, too, or solely via your Cartel site?

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Mpmarks1975

Much to most companies annoyance these forums exist so people who watch these films, from various different versions, runtimes, etc will nit pick, critique, or praise a release. Observationally people became annoyed by the Bill like practice of artificially trying to make this scarce thus inflating the price for "collectors". Nobody can say if this print was the exact runtime that every drive-in played across the US. DF never claimed it was the full uncut version, so could have ignored the whining, without the need to make this a hoarders is fleabay situation. That is the main grumble, not like the bigger boutique labels don't ignore problems on a regular basis.

Thing is, its not actually scare. You can buy it from SAE right now:
http://www1.screenarchives.com/title...HOW-1973-1974/

But, CR has done this in the past (see: Necromancy, Vampire's Night Orgy) and since its partially their release they have the right to do so. Perhaps artificial scarcity is one way to make people realize that the release has value despite its flaws. After all if it didn't have value people shouldn't care if it's OOP. A lot of people will pile on a release that has flaws and then it won't sell, so sometimes taking it away is one way to make people realize that despite being flawed its still a nice release to have.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

Dark Force DVD is said to be joining this forum and will be posting in this thread . I ask the members and the Dark Force DVD rep to post in a civilized manner. Thank you.

Looks like the party has started on the DF FB page. Seems dsman71 is extremely disgruntled.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...85155128773033

[indravayu]

Originally Posted by GilaFilms

I own original paperwork from the American distributor that indisputably proves the American release, under the title THE HOUSE THAT VANISHED, runs the same length as SCREAM AND DIE. Dark Force used a print that was most likely cut by a regional distributor. Nothing wrong with buying it, just know what you're getting. I purchased it...will make a composite cut with my VHS at some point.

Yep - I have also seen several reviews or general listings of the American release of THE HOUSE THAT VANISHED dating to 1975, which give the run time as 95 minutes.

It's a shame that Ruined feels compelled to spread misinformation in this thread in order to run cover for DF (maybe a paid shill??).

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Looks like the party has started on the DF FB page. Seems dsman71 is extremely disgruntled. [emoji14]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...85155128773033

Facebook 🤢

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by indravayu

Yep - I have also seen several reviews or general listings of the American release of THE HOUSE THAT VANISHED dating to 1975, which give the run time as 95 minutes.

It's a shame that Ruined feels compelled to spread misinformation in this thread in order to run cover for DF (maybe a paid shill??).

Sure and we have a book by a British horror film historian that says it's 84 minutes as well as many online sources also claiming 84 minutes.

So which is it? 84? 95? 99? Cant be all 3 right? Since you don't want to spread misinformation I'm sure you can definitely answer this, please pick one (as you contradicted the previous poster's reportedly ironclad claim of 99 minutes) and provide the definitive evidence. Maybe you have a video from a 70s drive in you've clocked the runtime on?

(also appears we are back to the ever original "you work for / own stock in" insult haha)

[frakking toaster]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Looks like the party has started on the DF FB page. Seems dsman71 is extremely disgruntled.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...85155128773033

Oh you mean the unofficial Scream Factory customer service team of David Steigman. Most annoying person I've ever encountered online.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by frakking toaster

Oh you mean the unofficial Scream Factory customer service team of David Steigman. Most annoying person I've ever encountered online.

Perhaps other labels (and to some extent their fans) are concerned with another player they will now need to bid against for licenses entering an already crowded market.

[Hubunkey]

I don't care about all the drama and other bs. I enjoy the Drive-In line and will continue to support DF for as long as they release them.

[Braktastic]

Originally Posted by Hubunkey

I don't care about all the drama and other bs. I enjoy the Drive-In line and will continue to support DF for as long as they release them.

I don't care about the drive-in line. I'm here for all the drama and other BS!

[dsman71]

Originally Posted by frakking toaster

Oh you mean the unofficial Scream Factory customer service team of David Steigman. Most annoying person I've ever encountered online.

You mean the person who tells whiny crybaby fans like you who cant handle life outside of your mothers rent free basement when a Shout title isnt a collectors edition and you cry your pathetic wimpy little eyes out ?

I left on my own request and Ill do it again because Im above this crap. You called dsman71 out..and amazingly im here as I requested to be banned but whatever ....
Guys like The Olsons, Cliff Mac, Misterlime and other insiders along with members such as myself either do not post here or bother to comment to entitlement jackasses like you. Oh yeah and there is blu titan the moderator who suspends people, then says a lot untrue bullshit about the suspended member when they cannot regulate or defend themselves .. just as pathetic as some of the members here like you such as those who give thanks so Toasters posts. LOL Pathetic

[dsman71]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Looks like the party has started on the DF FB page. Seems dsman71 is extremely disgruntled.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...85155128773033

Nope, just an honest comment from an honest man. Dont like it ? Shut me up

Who wants to be part of the dozens of toxic threads over Suspiria, Opera.. you spend more time bellyaching over nothing rather than watch the movies themselves

[ouchmyfacehurts]

Originally Posted by dsman71

You mean the person who tells whiny crybaby fans like you who cant handle life outside of your mothers rent free basement when a Shout title isnt a collectors edition and you cry your pathetic wimpy little eyes out ?

I left on my own request and Ill do it again because Im above this crap. You called dsman71 out..and amazingly im here as I requested to be banned but whatever ....
Guys like The Olsons, Cliff Mac, Misterlime and other insiders along with members such as myself either do not post here or bother to comment to entitlement jackasses like you. Oh yeah and there is blu titan the moderator who suspends people, then says a lot untrue bullshit about the suspended member when they cannot regulate or defend themselves .. just as pathetic as some of the members here like you

You are a part time UPS worker in San Francisco

[Thomas Irwin]

Originally Posted by dsman71

You mean the person who tells whiny crybaby fans like you who cant handle life outside of your mothers rent free basement when a Shout title isnt a collectors edition and you cry your pathetic wimpy little eyes out ?

I left on my own request and Ill do it again because Im above this crap. You called dsman71 out..and amazingly im here as I requested to be banned but whatever ....
Guys like The Olsons, Cliff Mac, Misterlime and other insiders along with members such as myself either do not post here or bother to comment to entitlement jackasses like you. Oh yeah and there is blu titan the moderator who suspends people, then says a lot untrue bullshit about the suspended member when they cannot regulate or defend themselves .. just as pathetic as some of the members here like you

[Dark Force]

This is actually better than prime time TV on here. Can see how it can become very addicting

[Dark Force]

Originally Posted by Zarak

Yeah, it's almost as if he works for the company.

Well if he doesn't there may be a position for him in the future with the dark forces. Our loyal followers tend to be greatly rewarded.

[rdodolak]

Welcome back David, I see not much has changed.

[bipbop13]

Originally Posted by dsman71

Who said Im David , Bruce - the Twilight Time fanboy ?

Maybe Im an Olson, maybe Im someone who knows you.. maybe Im the Easter Bunny...

maybe you're just a trolling idiot. Not everyone here fawns over o-cards, limited edition numbers, etc. I just enjoy watching the movies myself. Do those people who complain about stuff bother me? No. Why? I can't change it. Live & let live and don't be a jerk.