Star Wars Wars the UOT Strikes Back and OTHER PEZ dispensers

[beanham22]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Damn - good call on the slave transmitters. How could I have forgotten that?

Still though, Qui Gon could have worked something to get her too. Hell, they could have come back shortly afterwards and tried at least.

Yeah they were discussed at the dinner table in Shmi and Anakin's home. An interesting aspect of that I always thought of was that there were never any transmitters that would "blow you up" but simply the Hutt's were using fear to keep the slaves in line. Anakin said himself that he was trying to create a device to locate his to no avail.

This shows how corrupt/ evil the Hutts are and the lengths they would go to to keep something like slave trade etc. running as I am sure they are profitable, somewhat echoing our own planet 40 years ago.

On the note of Lucas' writing abilities imo he comes up with fantastic stories and ideas but can't put them on a film as effective as he hoped. The prequels have a lot of aspects to the story that would have been great if they were developed more.

I would guess it is because during the time of the OT's Lucas didn't do everything by himself it was almost a team effort lead by Lucas while for the prequels he was surrounded by Yes Men.

Dude, it's all bad in Star Wars.

Maybe, but atleast in the OT the actors were able to creat great memorable characters that people found interesting. Also while ANH undoubtedly has bad acting from especially Ford he was great in TESB.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

And people who dislike the PT don't know the first thing about Storytelling.

You must have a VERY low standard of what constitutes story telling.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Dude, it's all bad in Star Wars.

I admit that the acting in the OT isn't exactly "oscar worthy". That being said, there was still more in the way of convincing emotion in most of the performances in the OT than there was in the PT. A lot of the acting in the PT comes across as a bland table read.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Dude, it's all bad in Star Wars.

That's not my opinion but an opinion I can respect! The six movies are really alike. So either it's your cup of tea or it isn't. It's like your the mother of twins and you hate one child and love the other. It's just not fair and irrational.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

That's not my opinion but an opinion I can respect! The six movies are really alike. So either it's your cup of tea or it isn't. It's like your the mother of twins and you hate one child and love the other. It's just not fair and irrational.

It's nothing like that at all. The two trilogies have very different tones, a different overall quality of the performances, etc. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

You must have a VERY low standard of what constitutes story telling.




I admit that the acting in the OT isn't exactly "oscar worthy". That being said, there was still more in the way of convincing emotion in most of the performances in the OT than there was in the PT. A lot of the acting in the PT comes across as a bland table read.

Star Wars is no showcase for actors. I would never expect an Oscar-nomination for acting for Star Wars. That's not its strength - it's storytelling. And in that respect I have the highest of standards. Read some of the books by Joseph Campbell, C.G. Jung or Christopher Vogler and you will undoubtedly see the genius behind the saga.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

It's nothing like that at all. The two trilogies have very different tones, a different overall quality of the performances, etc. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.

Right back at you. Let's agree to disagree!

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

That's not my opinion but an opinion I can respect! The six movies are really alike. So either it's your cup of tea or it isn't. It's like your the mother of twins and you hate one child and love the other. It's just not fair and irrational.

Who ever accused purists of being fair or rational?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

I admit that the acting in the OT isn't exactly "oscar worthy". That being said, there was still more in the way of convincing emotion in most of the performances in the OT than there was in the PT. A lot of the acting in the PT comes across as a bland table read.

Not for me. Everyone looks like they're struggling, no matter what SW movie it is. I love how utterly unenthusiastic Carrie Fisher is when she points out a Star Destroyer from the Falcon's cockpit, during the Cloud City escape in Empire IIRC.

Ford is so, so bad in Star Wars. Dude looks so...distracted. Maybe there's a doorway nearby that needs sanding or something. Yeah, he gets better in Empire but then he phones it in for Jedi. Fisher gets more and more spaced out as the movies progress, and Hamill is Captain Wooden by the time we get to Jedi. I know he's trying to coolly play Luke as noble and wise, but it just comes across as utterly dull. His close-up where he reacts to Yoda's death is so stilted it's hilarious.

Spunkier characters and better writing (albeit still not "oscar worthy" ) is what separates the trilogies, not the acting. We should thank Marcia Lucas, Willard and Gloria Huyck and Larry Kasdan for their priceless contributions to the OT.

[Gilrod]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

Star Wars is no showcase for actors. I would never expect an Oscar-nomination for acting for Star Wars. That's not its strength - it's storytelling. And in that respect I have the highest of standards. Read some of the books by Joseph Campbell, C.G. Jung or Christopher Vogler and you will undoubtedly see the genius behind the saga.

Alec Guinness was nominated for Best Supporting Actor for his role in "Star Wars."

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by Gilrod

Alec Guinness was nominated for Best Supporting Actor for his role in "Star Wars."

Sorry I just have to do this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej8Ep...ature=youtu.be

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Not for me. Everyone looks like they're struggling, no matter what SW movie it is. I love how utterly unenthusiastic Carrie Fisher is when she points out a Star Destroyer from the Falcon's cockpit, in Empire IIRC.

Ford is so, so bad in Star Wars. Dude looks so...distracted. Maybe there's a doorway nearby that needs sanding or something. Yeah, he gets better in Empire but then he phones it in for Jedi. Fisher gets more and more spaced out as the movies progress, and Hamill is Captain Wooden by the time we get to Jedi. I know he's trying to coolly play Luke as noble and wise, but it just comes across as utterly dull. His close-up where he reacts to Yoda's death is so stilted it's hilarious.

Spunkier characters and better writing (albeit still not "oscar worthy" ) is what separates the trilogies, not the acting. We should thank Marcia Lucas, Willard and Gloria Huyck and Larry Kasdan for their priceless contributions to the OT.

Ford isnt bad - his character has a non-chalantness about him. In Jedi, he appears to be having some fun and there is a character-arc for him between New Hope and Jedi thats tangible, IMO.

Hamil wont remind anyone of Dustin Hoffman but he does OK with whats there. I agree that some scenes are better than others and you can always find areas that could be improved. But, its NOT some Shakespearean play here - its Star Wars.

Both trilogies have some plusses and minuses acting-wise. The PT IMO has worse overall writing. George should have allowed more people to help him with this. Nothing we can do about it now except enjoy the blu-ray release of the THE most important release on any format ever inthe history of Home Video!

[The Apocalypse]

Personally the only thing I would criticise about the PT is that stupid puppet Yoda. Apart from that I think it's all/mostly good and if you don't like my opinions that's absolutely fine. Back to the Blu's awesome transfers is what I'm hoping for and expecting.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Sorry I just have to do this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej8Ep...ature=youtu.be

and that has to do with Star Wars how?

It's not that the acting was so great in the OT it's that writing was so terrible for the Prequels. Now I personally do not like the PT but I can't blame it on the actors in the PT as much as the writer. There is no connection whatsoever in the PT with the auidence and not for one minute did I feel anything for the characaters in that story. You had a Master and an apprentice who never connect at all on screen; we are forced to take everything that it just happended off screen. Remember that nest of Gundarks etc etc...no sorry we don't remember. Did we ever see Anakin and Obi Wan really getting along at all building a relationship before it falls apart? Did we ever see Obi Wan training Anakin; bonding?? We are forced to accept a connection that's just never on the screen (all important elements in these films with reagards to character relationships happen off screen). Same for the love story' the problem was there was no feeling or emotion between them at all. I never felt there was in any love or chemistry there (and Love stories are my favorite genre). I mean a love story written by a nerd? Now come on that is just not going to work at all.....

Take the scene where he killed the younglings....what was so sad about that? There was never any connection between him and those kids. If there had been a scene where he was teaching them, training or interacting with them etc there would have been a connection and we would have said...OMG he just killed those kids..but instead it was Obi Wan that had a scene with them.

So in the final analysis it was not that the acting in these films that's terrible as much as it is the writing in the Prequels failed miserably. I was really hoping that the Prequels would have been great! There was nobody more dissapointed than I was walking out of Attack of the Clones; I mean people literally booed going out of the movie and everyone outside was talking about how this could not have been a Star Wars production. In my opinion the main fail of the PT is not as much the acting as where it says: Screenplay by George Lucas. Also I think there was just too much story that he was trying to tell that would fit in three films. I remember after TPM saying how is he going to fit all thats left into just two films now? Especially in light of the fact that TPM moved so slow (with a Pod Race and an underwater sequence that ate so much film time)

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

And people who dislike the PT don't know the first thing about Storytelling. That's just my opinion. For me the PT totally hit the spot. The acting was beatifully moving, especially in the love scenes and the final confrontation between Anakin and Padme.

[Saturius]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

and that has to do with Star Wars how?

It was obviously in response to the guy who said Guiness was Oscar nominated for his role in Star Wars. Many people feel that Tomei's nomination and win was a joke. Meaning just because Guiness was nominated does not mean he put in an Oscar caliber performance, similar to how some believe Marisa Tomei did not have a great performance either.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by kamphausd1

+100000000000000000000000

That has to be the funniest thing I've ever read.

If the OP is over the age of 10, I'm scared of what else he thinks is "moving." Perhaps the Care Bears movie?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

It's like your the mother of twins and you hate one child and love the other. It's just not fair and irrational.

Yes, it's just like that except I have six kids and two of them are douchebags.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by octagon

Yes, it's just like that except I have six kids and two of them are douchebags.

Yes the same goes for me one named Clones and the other named Sith.

[greg_achen]

Personally speaking, I've never known anyone who loves the OT and especially the PT for the wonderful acting on display. The only people I ever hear boast about the acting for either trilogy are fanboys. I love Star Wars with all my heart, but Shakespeare quality acting it is not. If I were to judge Natalie Portman's acting ability strictly on Episode II and III, I would have laughed if you told me she won an Oscar this year.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

And people who dislike the PT don't know the first thing about Storytelling. That's just my opinion. For me the PT totally hit the spot. The acting was beatifully moving, especially in the love scenes and the final confrontation between Anakin and Padme.

I am not sure whether this post is serious or not.

WHen I was in the theater pretty much everyone was laughing at the bad love dialogue and wooden acting. There were also a lot of WTF moments when he bows to serve Palpatine.

I spent years trying to convince myself that Anakin's turn to the dark side was well done and believable, but there is that saying:

"The truth will set you free"

Thr truth is that was not well done, not well acted and just plain not believable and I fully believe that a more capable director could have made it work, but at least change it from laughably bad to somewhat possible.

The "certain point of view" think is also unbelievable too and it makes no sense if you think about it. It also proves that Darth Vader was not originally written to be Luke's father.