AGFA/Something Weird Video Discussion Thread

[jmilo61]

Originally Posted by martinb

VS have indicated that they will offer slips for past partner label releases; indeed they've already done so during the Halfway To Black Friday sale, when they offered a slip for The Wild Boys from Altered Innocence, before AI had become a partner label. So new slips for old MVD-era AGFA are very possible.

(One thing to note: If/when they do, they likely won't be able to sell the slips separately as they do for their own catalogue titles - people had to buy The Wild Boys to get the new slip. It's because of some legal reason re: distribution I think.)

It's not legal reasons, it's money risk. They have to pay wholesale price for the discs on the pre-partnership releases. VS doesn't have to pay wholesale price for discs on releases they distribute themselves, only replication/production cost.

So if they make 1,000 new slips for some old AGFA release, they have to plan on having discs available for most of those. They risk selling a ton of slip-only units and they're stuck with a bunch of non-slip stock they paid wholesale for and will take forever to get rid of.

This is also why pre-partner releases will never be included in 50% off sales. When they sell to us at 50% off during the sales, they're basically giving us near-wholesale cost, what they sell to other middle-man distributors like DiabolikDVD. But they can't do that for stuff they've paid wholesale for themselves, they'd make no profit.

It's also why we'll usually see smaller runs on partner legacy slips. They have to buy the discs from the distributor. It's more expensive, and the distributors may not have 3,000 or so units available to give VS. A few hundred to 1,000 is more likely.

I have no inside information though, mostly just taking out of my butt on how it makes sense to me. Could be completely wrong.

[martinb]

Originally Posted by jmilo61

It's not legal reasons, it's money risk. They have to pay wholesale price for the discs on the pre-partnership releases. VS doesn't have to pay wholesale price for discs on releases they distribute themselves, only replication/production cost.

Thanks for the explanation!

[Fodderstompf]

Originally Posted by Dk8819

Lady Street Fighter and Wicked World have both been removed from AGFA store. I wonder if they are going oop or going to be repressed.

It looks to me like AGFA's old distributor, MVD, isn't pressing any more copies of their titles once they sell through current stock - LSF and WW no longer appear on MVD's shop at all, not even as an out of stock product page. Seems like either A) MVD fully dropped the AGFA line due to poor sales and OCN picked them up or B) OCN snagged AGFA due to their VS relationship and MVD decided to stop producing product tied to a competitor. Hopefully I'm wrong, but after the same thing happened to Satanis, there is a pattern developing.

I'm sure VS/OCN/AGFA will sort out the rights to what they can and reprint stuff, but I could see things like Godmonster not getting a new edition, so might be time to grab anything you haven't.

[Dk8819]

All I can hope is that the titles come back in some form. I like to have complete lines when possible and the past couple titles have disappeared so quickly it makes it a waiting game on the secondary market

[jmilo61]

Scary Movie has a $4 off coupon on Amazon right now making it $15.99.

[bgart13]

Anyone know what movie the gif at the end of the latest email from AGFA is from?

[fatboyslim142]

Originally Posted by Fodderstompf

It looks to me like AGFA's old distributor, MVD, isn't pressing any more copies of their titles once they sell through current stock - LSF and WW no longer appear on MVD's shop at all, not even as an out of stock product page. Seems like either A) MVD fully dropped the AGFA line due to poor sales and OCN picked them up or B) OCN snagged AGFA due to their VS relationship and MVD decided to stop producing product tied to a competitor. Hopefully I'm wrong, but after the same thing happened to Satanis, there is a pattern developing.

I'm sure VS/OCN/AGFA will sort out the rights to what they can and reprint stuff, but I could see things like Godmonster not getting a new edition, so might be time to grab anything you haven't.

Got a complete list of what was distributed by MVD?

[jmilo61]

Originally Posted by fatboyslim142

Got a complete list of what was distributed by MVD?

The catalog page on the AGFA website is listed chronologically from newest to oldest.

THE MCPHERSON TAPE was the first OCN/Vinegar Syndrome distributed release.

So everything after that is MVD distributed (unless they used some other distributor prior to MVD).

Page 1 is all OCN distributed. Page 2 is some of both. Page 3 is all pre-OCN.

[neo_reloaded]

Was some title announced and then cancelled? Vinegar Syndrome assigns catalog numbers to everything it releases, and The McPherson Tape is "AGFA-018" (and everything since then has increased in number, there's never been anything from VS below 18). There are only 16 pre-VS AGFA titles, however (including their 3 DVD-only releases).

[gbm82]

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

Was some title announced and then cancelled? Vinegar Syndrome assigns catalog numbers to everything it releases, and The McPherson Tape is "AGFA-018" (and everything since then has increased in number, there's never been anything from VS below 18). There are only 16 pre-VS AGFA titles, however (including their 3 DVD-only releases).

The first post has quite a few planned titles that haven't come out...seems that they were at least soft announced.

[neo_reloaded]

Originally Posted by gbm82

The first post has quite a few planned titles that haven't come out...seems that they were at least soft announced.

That seems to be an announcement of general planned releases, not specific solicited titles with release dates. Some of those weren't released until very recently through VS, so the remaining ones could be released in the future.

Though I think I found my answer - Fleshpot on 42nd Street. That one had cover art and everything and then was cancelled. It would have been AGFA-011. Fleshpot was released as a VS mainline title, and both Fleshpot and the companion film Guru, The Mad Monk appeared in the Severin Milligan set.

[Shane Rollins]

Considering AGFA supplied the Alamo Drafthouse Cinema with their print of The Astrologer, is there any hope of bringing it to Blu-ray?

[neo_reloaded]

Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

Considering AGFA supplied the Alamo Drafthouse Cinema with their print of The Astrologer, is there any hope of bringing it to Blu-ray?

I think music rights are the issue, not availability of a print.

[Dk8819]

So I found this on Twitter today in reply to a question :

Aside from SATANIS (the only one that will never be repressed), we're looking into reissuing older OOP titles. But we won't have confirmation or a timeline for any reissues until 2022. Basically, don't sleep on titles that you want!

So this sounds like good news for the titles currently running out. Hoping AGFA can make it happen.

[DarkRyder]

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

I think music rights are the issue, not availability of a print.

Yeah, it's music rights. The print is Drafthouse's/AGFA's (I believe).

[SpiderBaby]

This is fantastic news!



https://www.diabolikdvd.com/product/...ay-all-region/

• 4K restoration from the original 35mm camera negative

• Archival commentary with producer David F. Friedman and Something Weird founder Mike Vraney

• ASYLUM OF THE INSANE: SHE FREAK inserts preserved in 2K

• THE LAUGHING, LEERING, LAMPOONING LURES OF DAVID F. FRIEDMAN: a feature-length compilation of trailers from the Something Weird vaults, newly preserved in 2K

• Vintage shorts from the carnival midway

• Promotional photo gallery

• Booklet with essay by Something Weird’s Lisa Petrucci

[jshaide]

Assuming this will be on the VS site?

[Dk8819]

Originally Posted by jshaide

Assuming this will be on the VS site?

Yeah. The treasure release popped up on Diabolik first before showing up on VS I believe as well.

[jshaide]

Originally Posted by Dk8819

Yeah. The treasure release popped up on Diabolik first before showing up on VS I believe as well.

Solid. Probs on the 1st

[jshaide]

The trailer compilation should be fun. I just watched their Horror Trailer disc and really had a good time. I hope they do a follow up to it. Had a great vibe, visual style, rhythm.