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WriteSimply · 06-28-2009, 05:12 PM

Urgh. YLOD again. But at least I got two weeks worth of playtime.

Going to try something different this time around...

fuad

garageinc2001 · 06-28-2009, 06:03 PM

Write simply, please keep us posted on what you do this time. I'm willing to give it one more shot before sending to Sony (mainly because Im broke lol)
Also, everything still looks exactly like it did whn I first attempted the reflow so I didnt think about the heat spreader thing. I also need a new tube of the liquid gold in a tube lol. Does Best Buy sell the flux where the thermal paste is? Maybe Radio Shack? I dont have too many other options to purchase it around here. Thanks!

Marine Mike · 06-28-2009, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

Urgh. YLOD again. But at least I got two weeks worth of playtime.

Going to try something different this time around...

fuad

Do you think its due to your climate that it keeps failing or something else?

Azyiu · 06-28-2009, 07:50 PM

Hey alex5857, why don't go here first and look for some DIY solutions?

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=86293

Psx0005 · 06-28-2009, 10:50 PM

Well, thought I'd bring everyone up to date on my experience with my 60GB that was sent off to JDElectronics. I sent the unit off UPS around June 5th, and they received it on Wednesday 6/10. I missed JDElectronics' follow-up phone call the next day, so I called them Friday expecting that the unit wasn't fixable. I was directed over the phone to a nice fella named Cody who informed me that the YLOD was fixed, but another prob had been found. When they tested the unit to make sure it worked they found that while the XMB would come up and you could navigate through the XMB, the kicker was that once a demo/game/movie was started the PS3 would fail on initializing the item in question.

I was informed by Cody that he would try to figure out what the problem was, and hopefully the unit would be back on its way by the following week. So I'm waiting the following week for either a phone call or a nice doorbell ring by the UPS carrier and the weekend rolls around. By Wednesday 6/24, I'm a little perturbed that I hadn't been contacted so I contact JDElectronics again and I'm directed once again to Cody. After a couple of minutes of trying to find my unit status, Cody finally locates the unit and tells me that they still hadn't figured out what the problem was. The YLOD situation was definitely fixed with the PS3 starting up and the XMB coming up. But no access to demos/games/movies from the XMB and he had eliminated the HDD (they backed it up to another HDD and reformatted my drive, then recopied everything back over) and the BD drive (as the PS3 wasn't starting up demos or video clips from the HDD itself). He told me he could go ahead and send the unit back to me with a full refund (even tho' they fixed the YLOD, it didn't count as a "full" fix) and I could try the $150 route with Sony directly or I could let him hold onto it for another week and he'd try to figure out the problem.

Suffice it to say, I figured I'd already been without the PS3 for over a month now so I told him to see what he could find and hold onto the PS3 for another week. I'm doubting my PS3 will be fixed so I should be expecting my unit to be coming back this coming back. We'll see, I guess.

WriteSimply · 06-29-2009, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garageinc2001

Write simply, please keep us posted on what you do this time. I'm willing to give it one more shot before sending to Sony (mainly because Im broke lol)

Wildo. I would've sent it first to Sony if I was in the States.

Quote:

Also, everything still looks exactly like it did whn I first attempted the reflow so I didnt think about the heat spreader thing.

If the heat spreader is LOOSE, then you fix it. If it's firmly attached, don't mess with it.

If the heat spreader is loose and if the PS3 is in a working state, it'll tell you that the system need to be powered off due to overheating. If it's loose and you have solder balling problem, then you need to fix both.

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Does Best Buy sell the flux where the thermal paste is? Maybe Radio Shack? I dont have too many other options to purchase it around here. Thanks!

No idea. Best if you can buy online.

I got a LOT of liquid flux and isopropyl alcohol for my money. The most expensive thing to have to constantly apply is the thermal paste.

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Originally Posted by Marine Mike

Do you think its due to your climate that it keeps failing or something else?

I'm not sure. It is hot and humid here but for the past 2 weeks since it was fixed with liquid flux, it's been aided with three 5cm fans that draw heat out.

I'm pondering about not using the bottom casing or just go completely bare. The only thing that would not be working if I go bare is the card reader.

fuad

magicfame · 06-30-2009, 03:30 AM

hey,

I dont understand why my long post was deleted?

but i will just sum up what i said about the YLOD. YLOD is caused by the hot/cold interaction that leads to disconnecting joints.

(This is for the older generation PS3's.)
I have gotten rid of the YLOD using the method. Instead of reflowing, i would try this way first since its easier. The bolts holding down the heatsink apply most of the pressure on the two corners while leaving the other two corners some what "loose". No matter how much you bend the brackets or how much washers you use, the opposite corners of the heatsink will still be not as "tight" as the corners that are bolted. This can be seen by the uneven thermal paste pattern.

What I have done is insert a shim/bracket between the fan and the heatsink applying more pressure on the corners of the RSX. This helps connect the broken joints. I've got rid of many YLODS doing this! The only problem is the fan speeds up to the highest level because the shim is dissipating the heat somewhat I'm assuming.

Maybe we can come up with a better Shim material (aluminum, copper, etc) and a better place to place it...

I have pictures if you guys need.

Azyiu · 06-30-2009, 06:39 AM

I need help with an external HD here.

I got a LACIE 250 Gb external HD, but how do I make the PS3 to recognize it? I already did the ?search for media?, and powered up and down both units steps. So what else could I do?

Marine Mike · 06-30-2009, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azyiu

I need help with an external HD here.

I got a LACIE 250 Gb external HD, but how do I make the PS3 to recognize it? I already did the ?search for media?, and powered up and down both units steps. So what else could I do?

You need to have it formatted to FAT32.

Azyiu · 06-30-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Marine Mike

You need to have it formatted to FAT32.

FAT32? Isn't that an older format? Mine is in NTFS. Shouldn't the PS3 be able to read NTFS instead?

Marine Mike · 06-30-2009, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azyiu

FAT32? Isn't that an older format? Mine is in NTFS. Shouldn't the PS3 be able to read NTFS instead?

No, because something to do with NTFS being owned by Microsoft.

Azyiu · 06-30-2009, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

No, because something to do with NTFS being owned by Microsoft.

Damn... that means either I re-format it to FAT32... but if I do, I could lose everything on it, huh?

Marine Mike · 06-30-2009, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azyiu

Damn... that means either I re-format it to FAT32... but if I do, I could lose everything on it, huh?

Can't you just transfer whatever you have on your External Harddrive to the laptop/desktop you are formatting it from?

Wait, I take it that its not a new HD and you've amassed a lot of data already on it?

And yes, if you format the hard drive, you lose all data on it.

Azyiu · 06-30-2009, 02:45 PM

That's right, I have quite a lot of old files and stuff there... good news is, I do not have to use THAT HD at all. I was just trying it out with the PS3, and see if I could just look at some old pics directly that way. It's cool, thanks for your answer.

Uxi · 06-30-2009, 05:39 PM

I would hope Sony would go to ZFS or at least UFS.

garageinc2001 · 06-30-2009, 10:45 PM

Latest fix attempted today. I took it all apart and applied what little thermal paste I had left to the chips without removing what I had just applied a couple days ago. When the PS3 shut off after the last reflow I didnt touch it again until today. Didnt do the reflow but this time I bent the two metal pieces that push down on the heat plates on the chips so that they are more of a curve. I'm guessing these are what ppl are referring to when they're bending something. Put it all back together making sure the fan was plugged in this time on the bottom of the board... perhaps the culprit this last time for such a quick overheating, and played Uncharted for an hour with no problems... I've placed a small fan in front of the system now hoping it helps move some air through and the PS3 is vertical. I've gotten this disassemble/ reassemble thing down to a science now.

Azyiu · 07-01-2009, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garageinc2001

I've gotten this disassemble/ reassemble thing down to a science now.

Your next challenge would be doing it blindfolded within 5 minutes!

garageinc2001 · 07-01-2009, 02:40 PM

Name the time and place! lol

Azyiu · 07-01-2009, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garageinc2001

Name the time and place! lol

I like your style, really cool!

Marine Mike · 07-01-2009, 03:31 PM

Alrighty, I'm leaving civilization for a week, so if you send me a PM it won't be answered!

06-28-2009, 10:50 PM	#685
Psx0005 Power Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Jacksonville, FL 4K collection:22 Blu-ray collection:993 DVD collection:8 MA collection:261 Digital collection:271 iTunes collection:33	JDElectronics Well, thought I'd bring everyone up to date on my experience with my 60GB that was sent off to JDElectronics. I sent the unit off UPS around June 5th, and they received it on Wednesday 6/10. I missed JDElectronics' follow-up phone call the next day, so I called them Friday expecting that the unit wasn't fixable. I was directed over the phone to a nice fella named Cody who informed me that the YLOD was fixed, but another prob had been found. When they tested the unit to make sure it worked they found that while the XMB would come up and you could navigate through the XMB, the kicker was that once a demo/game/movie was started the PS3 would fail on initializing the item in question. I was informed by Cody that he would try to figure out what the problem was, and hopefully the unit would be back on its way by the following week. So I'm waiting the following week for either a phone call or a nice doorbell ring by the UPS carrier and the weekend rolls around. By Wednesday 6/24, I'm a little perturbed that I hadn't been contacted so I contact JDElectronics again and I'm directed once again to Cody. After a couple of minutes of trying to find my unit status, Cody finally locates the unit and tells me that they still hadn't figured out what the problem was. The YLOD situation was definitely fixed with the PS3 starting up and the XMB coming up. But no access to demos/games/movies from the XMB and he had eliminated the HDD (they backed it up to another HDD and reformatted my drive, then recopied everything back over) and the BD drive (as the PS3 wasn't starting up demos or video clips from the HDD itself). He told me he could go ahead and send the unit back to me with a full refund (even tho' they fixed the YLOD, it didn't count as a "full" fix) and I could try the $150 route with Sony directly or I could let him hold onto it for another week and he'd try to figure out the problem. Suffice it to say, I figured I'd already been without the PS3 for over a month now so I told him to see what he could find and hold onto the PS3 for another week. I'm doubting my PS3 will be fixed so I should be expecting my unit to be coming back this coming back. We'll see, I guess.

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06-28-2009, 05:12 PM	#681
WriteSimply Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia	Urgh. YLOD again. But at least I got two weeks worth of playtime. Going to try something different this time around... fuad

06-28-2009, 06:03 PM	#682
garageinc2001 Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Home Theater Gallery:13 Blu-ray collection:177 Trading Score:27	Write simply, please keep us posted on what you do this time. I'm willing to give it one more shot before sending to Sony (mainly because Im broke lol) Also, everything still looks exactly like it did whn I first attempted the reflow so I didnt think about the heat spreader thing. I also need a new tube of the liquid gold in a tube lol. Does Best Buy sell the flux where the thermal paste is? Maybe Radio Shack? I dont have too many other options to purchase it around here. Thanks!

06-28-2009, 07:50 PM	#684
Azyiu Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:May 2008 Location:The Center of Smoked Bacon Research 4K collection:7 Blu-ray collection:369 DVD collection:54 Blu-ray reviews: 14	Hey alex5857, why don't go here first and look for some DIY solutions? https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=86293

06-30-2009, 03:30 AM	#687
magicfame New Member Member since:Mar 2009	hey, I dont understand why my long post was deleted? but i will just sum up what i said about the YLOD. YLOD is caused by the hot/cold interaction that leads to disconnecting joints. (This is for the older generation PS3's.) I have gotten rid of the YLOD using the method. Instead of reflowing, i would try this way first since its easier. The bolts holding down the heatsink apply most of the pressure on the two corners while leaving the other two corners some what "loose". No matter how much you bend the brackets or how much washers you use, the opposite corners of the heatsink will still be not as "tight" as the corners that are bolted. This can be seen by the uneven thermal paste pattern. What I have done is insert a shim/bracket between the fan and the heatsink applying more pressure on the corners of the RSX. This helps connect the broken joints. I've got rid of many YLODS doing this! The only problem is the fan speeds up to the highest level because the shim is dissipating the heat somewhat I'm assuming. Maybe we can come up with a better Shim material (aluminum, copper, etc) and a better place to place it... I have pictures if you guys need.

06-30-2009, 06:39 AM	#688
Azyiu Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:May 2008 Location:The Center of Smoked Bacon Research 4K collection:7 Blu-ray collection:369 DVD collection:54 Blu-ray reviews: 14	I need help with an external HD here. I got a LACIE 250 Gb external HD, but how do I make the PS3 to recognize it? I already did the ?search for media?, and powered up and down both units steps. So what else could I do?

06-30-2009, 02:45 PM	#694
Azyiu Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:May 2008 Location:The Center of Smoked Bacon Research 4K collection:7 Blu-ray collection:369 DVD collection:54 Blu-ray reviews: 14	That's right, I have quite a lot of old files and stuff there... good news is, I do not have to use THAT HD at all. I was just trying it out with the PS3, and see if I could just look at some old pics directly that way. It's cool, thanks for your answer.

06-30-2009, 05:39 PM	#695
Uxi Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Southern California 4K collection:14 Blu-ray collection:191 Blu-ray reviews:9	I would hope Sony would go to ZFS or at least UFS.

06-30-2009, 10:45 PM	#696
garageinc2001 Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Home Theater Gallery:13 Blu-ray collection:177 Trading Score:27	Latest fix attempted today. I took it all apart and applied what little thermal paste I had left to the chips without removing what I had just applied a couple days ago. When the PS3 shut off after the last reflow I didnt touch it again until today. Didnt do the reflow but this time I bent the two metal pieces that push down on the heat plates on the chips so that they are more of a curve. I'm guessing these are what ppl are referring to when they're bending something. Put it all back together making sure the fan was plugged in this time on the bottom of the board... perhaps the culprit this last time for such a quick overheating, and played Uncharted for an hour with no problems... I've placed a small fan in front of the system now hoping it helps move some air through and the PS3 is vertical. I've gotten this disassemble/ reassemble thing down to a science now.

07-01-2009, 02:40 PM	#698
garageinc2001 Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Home Theater Gallery:13 Blu-ray collection:177 Trading Score:27	Name the time and place! lol

07-01-2009, 03:31 PM	#700
Marine Mike The Busey Member since:Apr 2008 Location:Ohio Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray collection:120 Blu-ray reviews:4 Trading Score:4	Alrighty, I'm leaving civilization for a week, so if you send me a PM it won't be answered!

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