The Official Energy Speakers Thread

[Cpt_Dylan_Hunt]

Originally Posted by callas01

I think BigAl can help you out, but I would say that the crossover should be set on the reciever at 70-80 hz and then on the back of the sub the crossover should be at max wether its 100 hz or 130 hz. The gain/volume would be the one thing you will want to fiddle with then most. You may need it at 50% or less. When I heard the S10.3 it was at 1/4 of the way up and it was killing the small audition room they had it in. Also a 15" woofer will be a little more boomy then a 10". It is best to have identical subs too. Having them on a riser helps also.

I agree, and like I said before that's how I do it on subs that don't have the active/bypass switch. On my v10 I just set it to bypass, which is the same as setting the sub's crossover to max and using the receiver's.

As far of 1/4 of the way up gain killing the room, that would be largley effected by the sub's level within the receiver's setting as well. One could keep the sub's gain low, and crank the sub's level on the receiver so it's hard to say. 1/4 of the way up and killing a room sounds a little far fetched to me if the sub was actually set in the middle or at a default setting within the receiver's settings.

I prefer to keep the receiver's sub level at default, and adjust the sub, by the sub's amp.

[Cpt_Dylan_Hunt]

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

Thanks for detailing your experiences. I can't explain why there is such a dramatic difference either. But it seems highly suspicious to me that YPAO would boost all 7 speakers, three fronts and 4 surrounds, by +6 db at around 6 K Hz. Each speaker is in different room position. It doesn't seem real. A plausible explanation is that my V663 is a lemon. That's what I get for buying one as soon as they became available over 1 1/2 years ago. I wish I had bought the Pioneer 1018 instead. I have had pioneer and onkyo AVRs. Both audysssey and MCCAP never did what YPAO does. They did far better correcting the speaker's response in the room, unless like I said my V663 is a lemon. The Yahama from JR music was about $200 cheaper than the pioneer. I got a bum deal in the end.

At the same time YPAO boosts the upper end, it cuts the bass in the 60 Hz to 100 Hz region for each speaker by -6 db to -7 db. It sets the speakers to large when it does this. Then, of course, I set them to small with an 80 Hz crossover. The end result is a very shallow sound with YPAO on, weaker bass and too much trebble. Set YPAO off, and the sound is more natural and quite beautiful.

Needless to say, I can't wait to pitch the V663 as soon as I get the Emotiva audio/video processor.

It does set my speakers to large too man! It's werid because, it always sets my center and surround to large, but sometimes sets my fronts to large, it almost seems random.

And yeah the YPAO sucks for me too man. the bass boost and upper treble boost I get from it is probably just as bas if not worse than what it does for you. Maybe we both have lemons? lol

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by hiphophead85

Hey BigAl, what speaker stands do you have located by the side of your couch? Are those the Sanus model? If so, which size are you using? Im looking to order a pair for my bedroom

Well not exactly Sanus Stands they're really cheap stands made out of plastic tha I got for 13$ rear stand are good and both made by the same Canadian company Quest.

Here's the link to the speakers stand page.

I have the EP200 and TM200

http://www.questhifi.com/spstands.html

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by Cpt_Dylan_Hunt

I agree, and like I said before that's how I do it on subs that don't have the active/bypass switch. On my v10 I just set it to bypass, which is the same as setting the sub's crossover to max and using the receiver's.

As far of 1/4 of the way up gain killing the room, that would be largley effected by the sub's level within the receiver's setting as well. One could keep the sub's gain low, and crank the sub's level on the receiver so it's hard to say. 1/4 of the way up and killing a room sounds a little far fetched to me if the sub was actually set in the middle or at a default setting within the receiver's settings.

I prefer to keep the receiver's sub level at default, and adjust the sub, by the sub's amp.

Ya thats how I do it, Gain is at 0 on the receiver. Gain on the sub is haflway.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Ya thats how I do it, Gain is at 0 on the receiver. Gain on the sub is haflway.

yep that is what i do.....

[jomari]

Originally Posted by 94GTStang

No I didn't notice anything when I was watching the dark knight the other day. I think it's the source as well. What is DSP? Is that other surround modes on the receiver? I'll look at how to adjust that. Thanks!

DSP is the digital sound processing done by most AVR's to convert a standard 2.0 signal, and/or a 5.1 signal towards what you prefer it to sound like - church, arena, sports, game are a few 'versions' that are found in most receivers.

You can use this to change the signal if ever your current 5.1 DD from the converter box isnt up to par to your preference.

In regards to the crossover settings ive read here, when you set the AVR to 80hz you are sending the signals that are UNDER the aformentioned setting, into the subwoofer. The subwoofer itself does not have a crossover setting, unless you are talking about the Low Pass Filter (or LPF), which is another topic.

To avoid confusion,

Receiver
- set crossover settings at 80hz (or follow the one octave rule)
- do not boost the subwoofers level

Subwoofer
- set crossover settings to bypass (if feasible, some models do not have this feature)
(*we are also letting the crossover settings of the AVR determine which signals to redirect from the speakers set as small, into the subwoofer)
OR
- set crossover settings to max (most subs would start at 120hz, or higher), allowing you to receive the entire signal from the AVR into the subwoofer, without cancelling out the other signal. you may end up with an a-hole (or as BD refers to, audio hole. )
- adjust gain to preference.

For future reading, we have a stick regarding crossover settings here

[Cpt_Dylan_Hunt]

Originally Posted by callas01

yep that is what i do.....

If you guys are talking about the LFE level which is usually from 0 to -20 or whatever, that's not what I mean. Although some people like lowering that slightly.

Just talking about subwoofer level on the receiver. 0 is good.

Although, I find it hard to beleive, the s10.3 or almost any 10 inch sub, can "kill" a room, even a smaller one, with the sub's gain only 1/4 up and if the receiver's sub gain is at 0 or default, or "in the middle". Of course my idea of "killing a room" could be different.

When I use YPAO for example, it cranks my receiver's sub gain, so in the store I wouldn't doubt that the receiver's sub level is raised significantly.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by Cpt_Dylan_Hunt

If you guys are talking about the LFE level which is usually from 0 to -20 or whatever, that's not what I mean. Although some people like lowering that slightly.

Just talking about subwoofer level on the receiver. 0 is good.

Although, I find it hard to beleive, the s10.3 or almost any 10 inch sub, can "kill" a room, even a smaller one, with the sub's gain only 1/4 up and if the receiver's sub gain is at 0 or default, or "in the middle". Of course my idea of "killing a room" could be different.

When I use YPAO for example, it cranks my receiver's sub gain, so in the store I wouldn't doubt that the receiver's sub level is raised significantly.

Yup right that's it Capt 0 on the subwoofer channel just like the other speakers there not referring to the LFE.
Ya as for Callas 1/4 gain they certainly had the thing raised up alot in order to rumble the place like that at quater gain so they can sell the thing.

Half volume is quite good if the subwoofer is set to default works very well in my 20x14 room.

But man I wish I could afford the V10 right now. I love your sub so much bro

[callas01]

Capt and BigAl, I don't know what the receiver settings were in the receiver at the store, all I know is that the slightest adjustment on the volume nob on the front of the S10.3 made it extremely loud.

Also, On my receiver there is a +/- for gain of the various speakers including the sub, for the sub I keep mine set or 0 or in the middle, then I have on the back of the sub the crossover/LPF at 120 hz, and then in the receiver I have the crossover on for all speakers(F,C,Sur) set at 70 hz and set to small. Then I have the gain/volume at about 50%.

[Cpt_Dylan_Hunt]

Originally Posted by callas01

Capt and BigAl, I don't know what the receiver settings were in the receiver at the store, all I know is that the slightest adjustment on the volume nob on the front of the S10.3 made it extremely loud.

Also, On my receiver there is a +/- for gain of the various speakers including the sub, for the sub I keep mine set or 0 or in the middle, then I have on the back of the sub the crossover/LPF at 120 hz, and then in the receiver I have the crossover on for all speakers(F,C,Sur) set at 70 hz and set to small. Then I have the gain/volume at about 50%.

I like the way you roll.

I actually put my sub at 1 oclock. Maybe a little under, like 12:30 or something. With receiver's sub level at 0. Which is too high for most music, especially if I'm using the music enhacner mode, but I like the overkill bass in movies lol. A perfect calibration would probably put it at 12:00. And I live in a house so Im not as likely to get complaints.When I had my setup in a more open, larger room with the sub in a less optimal position, I had the sub's level as high as 2:00 on a clock with the receiver's sub gain at 0. It was still crystal clear crisp bass though.

I notice on my v10 that after the 12:00 mark is when you notice every a milimeter of move on the level switch. Before that it's less noticeable, but it gets really sensitive after that.

BigAI, thanks for the comments on the v10. I don't think by any means that it is the best 10 inch in the world lol, but I am very happy with it.

[cfurtado]

I've tried out everything you guys suggested and seriously theres an improvement,i put all the speakers to small,made the bass only go to the subs,turn the x on my sub at max and left it at 80 on my receiver,and put the sud level on the reciever in the middle.

anyways i went to futureshop today and i saw a v10 for 599 open box though,but its like new it was the one showing in the store and that futureshop is like 1 year so BigAL87 lol

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

Capt and BigAl, I don't know what the receiver settings were in the receiver at the store, all I know is that the slightest adjustment on the volume nob on the front of the S10.3 made it extremely loud.

Also, On my receiver there is a +/- for gain of the various speakers including the sub, for the sub I keep mine set or 0 or in the middle, then I have on the back of the sub the crossover/LPF at 120 hz, and then in the receiver I have the crossover on for all speakers(F,C,Sur) set at 70 hz and set to small. Then I have the gain/volume at about 50%.

Same setup except X-over is set to 80 on all speakers I have to work with 20hz increment on my old school HK but it's all good.

[94GTStang]

Originally Posted by jomari

DSP is the digital sound processing done by most AVR's to convert a standard 2.0 signal, and/or a 5.1 signal towards what you prefer it to sound like - church, arena, sports, game are a few 'versions' that are found in most receivers.

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wow thanks for that nice write up! My subwoofer is just on the prologic receiver setting and I use the volume control knob. Should I turn it to Dolby receiver setting and turn the crossover to 80hz? Here is a pic of the back of the sub
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n...m/SubBack2.jpg
My speakers are set to 80hz and the back surrounds are on 110hz I believe. I am at the lake this weekend so I won't be able to play with it till I get home. Will I need to re run the audio setup if I switch the subwoofer settings?

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by cfurtado

I've tried out everything you guys suggested and seriously theres an improvement,i put all the speakers to small,made the bass only go to the subs,turn the x on my sub at max and left it at 80 on my receiver,and put the sud level on the reciever in the middle.

anyways i went to futureshop today and i saw a v10 for 599 open box though,but its like new it was the one showing in the store and that futureshop is like 1 year so BigAL87 lol

Not so good of a deal bro I sure will be able to get that sub at 399$ on liquidation if I have money at that point I might get it.

Let me think you manage with our help to bring that ED to life maybe I could get a discount on your V10 and you get yourself another 100 pounds beast. Dual A5-350 that would be a killer.

You got to get to work and build a riser for that monster.

[Cpt_Dylan_Hunt]

Originally Posted by cfurtado

I've tried out everything you guys suggested and seriously theres an improvement,i put all the speakers to small,made the bass only go to the subs,turn the x on my sub at max and left it at 80 on my receiver,and put the sud level on the reciever in the middle.

anyways i went to futureshop today and i saw a v10 for 599 open box though,but its like new it was the one showing in the store and that futureshop is like 1 year so BigAL87 lol

I bought my v10 new for a grand total, everything included $400 CAD, back close to when they first came out.

There was a deal recently for $299 USD but after conversion and shipping plus all those extra charges that tend to end up on shit, it would easily be well over $450 CAD. I think on another board I saw a fellow Canadian add it up to about $475 to his door.

FS used to have sales on them regularly for $400 + tax new about 9 months or so after I got mine, but they seemed to have stopped doing that.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by 94GTStang

wow thanks for that nice write up! My subwoofer is just on the prologic receiver setting and I use the volume control knob. Should I turn it to Dolby receiver setting and turn the crossover to 80hz? Here is a pic of the back of the sub
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n...m/SubBack2.jpg
My speakers are set to 80hz and the back surrounds are on 110hz I believe. I am at the lake this weekend so I won't be able to play with it till I get home. Will I need to re run the audio setup if I switch the subwoofer settings?

Set all your speakers to small and X-over to 80 as the c-50 have 65-20 000hz frequency response it's all gonna be good and bring the level of the X-over on the back panel of the sub to the max.

Your receiver will filter everything for ya.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by 94GTStang

No I didn't notice anything when I was watching the dark knight the other day. I think it's the source as well. What is DSP? Is that other surround modes on the receiver? I'll look at how to adjust that. Thanks!

Did you at least switch the Audio to Dolby True HD when you did?

it has nothing to do with the issue but just to give ya a heads up on Dark Knight it defaults to dolby digital, You probably did as your receiver decodes the audio trough HDMI.

In my case since I use analog with blurays so I had to figure this out on my own.

[cfurtado]

Originally Posted by Cpt_Dylan_Hunt

I bought my v10 new for a grand total, everything included $400 CAD, back close to when they first came out.

There was a deal recently for $299 USD but after conversion and shipping plus all those extra charges that tend to end up on shit, it would easily be well over $450 CAD. I think on another board I saw a fellow Canadian add it up to about $475 to his door.

FS used to have sales on them regularly for $400 + tax new about 9 months or so after I got mine, but they seemed to have stopped doing that.

omg how do you guys find deals like that wow we need to hang out lol
i paid 699 and i was like wooo ...

still wanna come AL87 ? genre d'apres toi quesser que je pourrais faire de plus ?

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by cfurtado

omg how do you guys find deals like that wow we need to hang out lol
i paid 699 and i was like wooo ...

still wanna come AL87 ? genre d'apres toi quesser que je pourrais faire de plus ?

As-tu virer la bete de bord?

[Cpt_Dylan_Hunt]

Originally Posted by cfurtado

omg how do you guys find deals like that wow we need to hang out lol
i paid 699 and i was like wooo ...

still wanna come AL87 ? genre d'apres toi quesser que je pourrais faire de plus ?

I got mine because I knew a guy who worked at FS at the time. I even gave him a $50 tip for getting it for me, and it still only costed me a $400 grand total.

BigA is the deals man though. I can't beleive some of the prices he paid!