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supersix4 · 10-16-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Terjyn

What random people think doesn't concern me. What concerns me is the SOS factored in to the BCS system.

One of those had Alabama as the 2nd toughest SOS overall last year(before factoring in the 2nd LSU game). That's absurd. Alabama didn't play Georgia or South Carolina. Their SEC schedule was about as soft as it can be in the SEC, and their non-conference schedule was just as soft. I will give them credit for attempting Penn State though, they didn't know that team would be nothing special when they scheduled it.

Then I guess I don't understand the point, as SOS has been in play for years

We're lucky to be getting a 4 game playoff let alone asking for the BCS formula to be changed.

And actually we should probably thank the sec because had Oregon gotten to the championship last year and we had very high championship ratings, they might have kept arguing the system works, don't mess with it. But those ratings combined with the vocal fans probably helped get us a better system.

Terjyn · 10-16-2012, 11:41 PM

All I'm saying is that the SOS the SEC has is largely based on the belief that the SEC is the best in the land.

As long as voters/computer formula makers decide up front that the SEC is ridiculous tough, their SOS will be artificially inflated.

It's a loop. The SEC is great therefore SEC wins are too. SEC wins are great because the SEC is great.

The top of the conference is not arguable as anything but great.

The place where the contention exists is in the middle of the conference. This is where the Auburn starting as a top 10 team grates on people.

*EDIT* It was _shocking_ that the Big 12 was considered a higher SOS last year. Because it means that in spite of the advantage the SEC starts with, some of the SOS calculations still were forced to conclude that the SEC wasn't all that.

Not all of them mind you. As I already stated at least two of the computers still had the SEC on top.

And in spite of it all, THAT was the year that the voters decided they wanted a championship rematch. In what was very clearly a down year for the SEC mid-pack.

ApolloOne · 10-17-2012, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Terjyn

All I'm saying is that the SOS the SEC has is largely based on the belief that the SEC is the best in the land.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems you're ascribing prejudice to mathematical calculations, as if to say one plus two equals three, except in the Southeastern Conference, where it equals five.

I don't pretend to understand every aspect of all the computer models used in the BCS, but their equations seem only to care about wins and losses, not how sexy a conference is.

gvortex7 · 10-17-2012, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by supersix4

Hahah aww your mad.. Heres a tip learn to distinguish sarcasm and jokes, from an opinion. Its cool though Hollywood FL = not even worth it

Anyway back to something that matters.

Ignorance taking center stage. Congratulations!

Terjyn · 10-17-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ApolloOne

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems you're ascribing prejudice to mathematical calculations, as if to say one plus two equals three, except in the Southeastern Conference, where it equals five.

I don't pretend to understand every aspect of all the computer models used in the BCS, but their equations seem only to care about wins and losses, not how sexy a conference is.

Math isn't bias free, because the math has to have inputs that aren't purely based on the field. This isn't even close to an "every team plays every team" scenario.

If the SOS from a computer, for example, is based partly on poll rankings, the SOS, even calculated by math, will favor the SEC.

Since the computer formulas are not released to the general public, I can't break down the problem item by item.

I can tell you there is zero chance Alabama deserved to be the 2nd toughest schedule in the nation last year like one computer had them, unless they were including the belief that the SEC schedule was strong because the SEC was strong.

supersix4 · 10-17-2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ApolloOne

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems you're ascribing prejudice to mathematical calculations, as if to say one plus two equals three, except in the Southeastern Conference, where it equals five.

I don't pretend to understand every aspect of all the computer models used in the BCS, but their equations seem only to care about wins and losses, not how sexy a conference is.

I'm also unsure if the formula has been tweaked since its inception, but if it hasn't the sec sure wasn't having the same level of domance in the late 90s as it did starting in 2006.

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Originally Posted by gvortex7

Ignorance taking center stage. Congratulations!

Cool story you should tell it at parties

Terjyn · 10-17-2012, 03:23 PM

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that these computer formulas set out to favor anyone.

Take Sagarin's as an example though(I often use Sagarin's ratings as examples because he's far more open about his methodology than most).

In Sagarin's formula you get "bonus points" for beating top ranked teams. Sounds great in theory. Except that he ranks the teams for the first time before they've ever played a game.

Now he gives early weeks less credit, recognizing this is a weakness in his formula.

But at the same time it can't be argued that even the final standings are not influenced some by the starting standings. Even though this is an impartial computer solving math problems.

emac213 · 10-19-2012, 02:09 AM

Oregon is killing ASU at home they better be back at number 2 next week.

ChadFL · 10-19-2012, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by emac213

Oregon is killing ASU at home they better be back at number 2 next week.

Arizona St. is unranked in one poll and #24 in the other. Florida plays a top-10 team in South Carolina this weekend. Lots of possible scenarios.

1. If Florida beats South Carolina they'll almost certainly just expand their #2 spot over Oregon.

2. If Florida loses and Kansas St. beats West Virginia the #2 spot in the BCS ranking will be very close between K-State and Oregon.

3. If Florida and Kansas St. both lose Oregon is probably the clear #2 in the BCS rankings.

emac213 · 10-19-2012, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ChadFL

Arizona St. is unranked in one poll and #24 in the other. Florida plays a top-10 team in South Carolina this weekend. Lots of possible scenarios.

1. If Florida beats South Carolina they'll almost certainly just expand their #2 spot over Oregon.

2. If Florida loses and Kansas St. beats West Virginia the #2 spot in the BCS ranking will be very close between K-State and Oregon.

3. If Florida and Kansas St. both lose Oregon is probably the clear #2 in the BCS rankings.

Yeah you are right. Im just a prisoner of the moment right now

sycro · 10-20-2012, 05:47 PM

Since I have nothing to look forward to this year, I'll look back at a classic moment in sports history:

sycro · 10-20-2012, 05:52 PM

Lol.... on College Gameday, universal douchebag Ryan Lochte got a chance to pick the winner of LSU and Texas A&M. His pick?

[Show spoiler]

Spurrier Sucks · 10-20-2012, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sycro

Since I have nothing to look forward to this year, I'll look back at a classic moment in sports history:

Upset Clemson Fan Overreacting to the Georgia Tech Loss - YouTube

That will happen when the refs cheat. Phantom hold call, bunch of BS.

I think Swafford tried to make it up to us today with some horrible calls by the ref in our favor. I'll take it.

Offense played like crap and still put 38 on the board. WF next Thursday. Go 'Canes, tonight.

Slec · 10-20-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Spurrier Sucks

That will happen when the refs cheat. Phantom hold call, bunch of BS.

I think Swafford tried to make it up to us today with some horrible calls by the ref in our favor. I'll take it.

Offense played like crap and still put 38 on the board. WF next Thursday. Go 'Canes, tonight.

Better officiating wouldnt have changed the outcome today, but what the hell were the booth officials looking at? QB play on both teams was horrendous, im just glad to have that one behind us

Crazy ending to OSU-Purdue!

Moviefan1203 · 10-20-2012, 08:00 PM

I'm on countdown to the 'Canes/Noles game. It's all about The U, baby!!!!

Let's go 'Canes!!!!!

ScarredLungs · 10-20-2012, 09:21 PM

Come on BYU! Hold onto the lead and finish off strong and beat ND in the second half!

Moviefan1203 · 10-20-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cvm

Come on BYU! Hold onto the lead and finish off strong and beat ND in the second half!

Notre Dame has a tendency to rally in the fourth, but BYU is playing a hell of a game!

Spurrier Sucks · 10-20-2012, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Slec

Better officiating wouldnt have changed the outcome today, but what the hell were the booth officials looking at? QB play on both teams was horrendous, im just glad to have that one behind us

Crazy ending to OSU-Purdue!

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Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

I'm on countdown to the 'Canes/Noles game. It's all about The U, baby!!!!

Let's go 'Canes!!!!!

Yes to both!

Gators are kicking some coot a$$!

ChadFL · 10-20-2012, 10:29 PM

Awe, Spurrier looks like he's going to cry. It's 37-6 Gators and counting.

supersix4 · 10-20-2012, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ChadFL

Awe, Spurrier looks like he's going to cry. It's 37-6 Gators and counting.

I bet Texas fans are pissed their long time coach in waiting is possibly on the cusp of a NC year

*edit: In the greatest football conference in college

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10-16-2012, 11:41 PM	#7482
Terjyn Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:122	All I'm saying is that the SOS the SEC has is largely based on the belief that the SEC is the best in the land. As long as voters/computer formula makers decide up front that the SEC is ridiculous tough, their SOS will be artificially inflated. It's a loop. The SEC is great therefore SEC wins are too. SEC wins are great because the SEC is great. The top of the conference is not arguable as anything but great. The place where the contention exists is in the middle of the conference. This is where the Auburn starting as a top 10 team grates on people. EDIT It was _shocking_ that the Big 12 was considered a higher SOS last year. Because it means that in spite of the advantage the SEC starts with, some of the SOS calculations still were forced to conclude that the SEC wasn't all that. Not all of them mind you. As I already stated at least two of the computers still had the SEC on top. And in spite of it all, THAT was the year that the voters decided they wanted a championship rematch. In what was very clearly a down year for the SEC mid-pack. Last edited by Terjyn; 10-16-2012 at 11:45 PM.

10-20-2012, 05:52 PM	#7492
sycro Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Mar 2012 Location:Kansas City, MO Home Theater Gallery:15 4K collection:24 Blu-ray collection:2329 DVD collection:60 iTunes collection:20 Trading Score:63	Lol.... on College Gameday, universal douchebag Ryan Lochte got a chance to pick the winner of LSU and Texas A&M. His pick? [Show spoiler]Auburn

10-17-2012, 03:23 PM	#7487
Terjyn Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:122	Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that these computer formulas set out to favor anyone. Take Sagarin's as an example though(I often use Sagarin's ratings as examples because he's far more open about his methodology than most). In Sagarin's formula you get "bonus points" for beating top ranked teams. Sounds great in theory. Except that he ranks the teams for the first time before they've ever played a game. Now he gives early weeks less credit, recognizing this is a weakness in his formula. But at the same time it can't be argued that even the final standings are not influenced some by the starting standings. Even though this is an impartial computer solving math problems.

10-19-2012, 02:09 AM	#7488
emac213 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Sunny California 4K collection:335 Blu-ray collection:1346 Trading Score:20	Oregon is killing ASU at home they better be back at number 2 next week.

10-20-2012, 08:00 PM	#7495
Moviefan1203 Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Pennsylvania, USA Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:45	I'm on countdown to the 'Canes/Noles game. It's all about The U, baby!!!! Let's go 'Canes!!!!!

10-20-2012, 09:21 PM	#7496
ScarredLungs Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Utah 4K collection:65 Blu-ray collection:1433 Prime collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:4	Come on BYU! Hold onto the lead and finish off strong and beat ND in the second half!

10-20-2012, 10:29 PM	#7499
ChadFL Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Dec 2009 Location:Daytona Beach, FL Blu-ray collection:556 DVD collection:5	Awe, Spurrier looks like he's going to cry. It's 37-6 Gators and counting.

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