8K discussion thread

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

They are desperate, aren't they?

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Responsible is the word, responsible.

[JohnAV]

The future of 8K TVs is all about gaming. We’ll tell you why - Digital Trends

What’s the hottest TV tech around? Ask anyone and they’ll likely mention 4K TVs and high dynamic range (HDR), a one-two punch that turned ordinary high-def TV into a cinematic experience – or should have, anyway. Ask that same person about the last 4K show they watched and they’ll pause, mutter something about Netflix, and quickly change the topic.

Millions of people bought 4K TVs, thinking the content industry would catch up. Let’s be honest, it largely hasn’t, save for the biggest streamers, which is one reason we’re seeing a huge uptick in cord cutting. One recent analyst concluded that the cable industry is losing 14,000 subscribers every day. So why am I gung-ho about 8K sets, when you’re more likely to find a Windows Mobile user than a 4K broadcast? One word: gaming.

I spoke earlier this week with one of the world’s largest TV manufacturers, who has yet to announce an 8K set for the U.S. market. The company is holding out for next year, when we’re likely to see two new game consoles and a slew of games launch all supporting 8K. 8K + gaming = a reason not to leave your house for the weekend. 8K + gaming = I forgot to eat dinner and breakfast. 8K + gaming = mind blown.

Stop for a second and think about where you saw 4K and HDR adoption. Good Morning America? Hardly. Game makers were most eager to ensure that players had an experience that matched their visions, rapidly patching and upgrading existing games to brighten the colors, darken the shadows, and sharpen the edges. Today there’s a wealth of games for the PS4 that support HDR and 4K, and since the Xbox One S and X support high dynamic range, there’s a variety of HDR games for the Xbox platform as well.

Next year will probably see the launch of the Playstation 5, the next and possibly last generation of consoles from Sony. Some analysts have even pinned a date against it: November 2020, just in time for the holiday season. And Sony has already promised support for 8K, thanks to next-gen AMD chips.

Interesting enough 8K games being the lead for adoption is a mine field for traditional TV dealers, as they aren't experts in this topic. More like the customer will be more up to date on what he's looking for.

Two months ago I moderated a panel at CE Week featuring several leading TV manufacturers, all of whom gushed about the quality of their 8K sets. If you want the best quality television, they argued, you’ll want an 8K TV. Sure, but didn’t they make the same argument about 4K sets? The combination of HDR and 4K is what sold us all on upgrading our newly purchased HD sets; making the same argument for 8K won’t work on a jaded public. We need something new.

(Yes Robert is in this discussion)

CE Week 2019: 8K is Coming! What it Means and How to Sell It - YouTube

[FilmFreakosaurus]

But... but... but... it has 4 more K's!!

[Lee A Stewart]

It is in my humble opinion that 8K TVs were released too soon here in the USA. If they had waited until November 2020 some of the negatives would have been removed and there is a very good possibility that the VCC codec would be finished and ready to be implemented. And there would be 8K content available from the 2020 Olympics courtesy of NHK.

[JohnAV]

How about 3 FPS at 16k?

GAMING at 16K RESOLUTION?? – HOLY !T - YouTube

[Akira Takamedo]

I see a thread about 8K and my first thought is hell no, I am not re-buying all my movies yet again, upgrading 20 MCU movies from Blu-ray to 4K is where I draw the line.

I know that’s not realistically happening for probably a decade or maybe even more, but I’m just saying.

[Robert Zohn]

Thanks JohnAV for posting Digital Trends article and CE Week's Youtube video, which I very strongly recommend everyone listed to the full 42 minutes. As Jeremy Kaplan says at the opening and closing he put together some of the brightest minds in the industry to discuss 8K.

Other than the advantage of 8K for ultra large screens at no time did any of the panelists speak to any advantage of 8K by itself. I am so very tired of hearing everyone missing the real and true advantages that the new 8K TVs are doing now (today) to deliver a better picture that any 4K TV can do so to set the record straight here's the real and true list of just a few advantages viewers will enjoy in the 2019 8K and look forward to the Q1 2020 8K TVs:

- Sony's 85" and 98" 8K Z9G peak luminance is 4,000 nits, so no tone mapping or reduced color volume on this TV. And you get the Back Light Master drive and a tuned processor that up-converts low resolution up to 4K to the panel's 8k resolution beautifully!
Until you have seen this beauty for yourself it's not fair to comment. I have spent much time with this gorgeous 8K TV with varied content. I also recommend checking out Vincent Theo's review.

https://youtu.be/uTEN813ceeA

- Now let's talk about LG's 88" 8K OLED TV, need I really say more, well if you insist. LG added a second processor to the a9 Gen 2 processor with more memory and specially tuned for 8K up-conversion. Another stunning 8K TV for you to see and become a believer of what a premium 8K TV can do for cable, streamed and physical disc playback.

- Sharp in collaboration with Foxconn to build the 1st 75" dual cell 8K TVs. At CES 2018 I had the pleasure to see this TV in person and it was my favorite TV at the show.

Sharp also showed the 1st 8k consumer camera. It's a mirrorless camera and I'll get one of the first allocation and a photo hobbies I'm looking forward to creating my own native 8K HDR content as I believe many new 8K TV owners will also enjoy.

[Lee A Stewart]

Foxconn Looking to Sell New Gen 10.5 Plant?

Reuters reported this week that Foxconn is in discussions to appoint banks to find a buyer for its LCD factory that is being built in Guangzhou. While Foxconn replied in a written statement that “As a matter of company policy, Foxconn does not respond to market rumors or speculation,” Reuters reported that multiple contacts within Foxconn were involved in the discussion. If true, the sale of such a new plant would be unprecedented in the flat panel display industry.

The Guangzhou fab is expected to start mass production in late September or early October, and celebrated a lighting up ceremony on July 31st and already rolled out its first 65”panel according to Digitimes. The plant is a joint venture between the Guangzhou government and Sakai Display Products (SDP), which owns the Gen 10 LCD plant in Sakai City, Japan, built by Sharp. In its years of financial distress in before being taken over by Foxconn in 2016, Sharp sold portions of the SDP business to some suppliers and to Foxconn founder Terry Gou. Sharp and Gou remain minority owners of SDP, but Foxconn does not directly have a stake except through its majority share of Sharp.

As originally envisioned, the Guangzhou Gen 10.5 was targeted to manufacture 65” and 75” TV panels and expected to generate an annual revenue of CNY 92 billion ($US 13 billion) from an investment of CNY 61 billion (US$ 8.7 billion). However, such a revenue projection was unrealistic to begin with, and appears fantastic given the recent trend. TV panel prices have fallen by 50% since the project was originally conceived, and at current prices the annual revenues from the plant, selling 65” panels at 90% yield and utilization, would amount to only $1.3 billion.

https://displaydaily.com/article/dis...gen-10-5-plant

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Other than the advantage of 8K for ultra large screens at no time did any of the panelists speak to any advantage of 8K by itself. I am so very tired of hearing everyone missing the real and true advantages that the new 8K TVs are doing now (today) to deliver a better picture that any 4K TV can do so to set the record straight here's the real and true list of just a few advantages viewers will enjoy in the 2019 8K and look forward to the Q1 2020 8K TVs:

Thanks for the additional information Roibert, but don't shoot the messenger, as that is Jeremy Kaplan comments that are quoted. He uses the "gushed "term" as well comparing 8k marketing to 4k marketing. I was just pointing out that computer gamsters might be interested in 8K displays much earlier than normal TV users as the article suggests.

Unfortunately its still going to be a uphill battle (headaches) for dealers to market 8K displays because there is little demo content as well as little 8K demos nationwide. No matter how well you describe the benefits, it will be a slow process of changing the many opinions out there. Never mind the brand bias additionally you encounter.

[Robert Zohn]

8K TVs will sell to those who want them. I'm not expecting any more then that and only report what I see and know.

[Blu350z]

Just like how 4k TVs and OLED TVs were at the beginning. The only ones that buy them are the ones who want them. It’s not for everyone, not yet at least.

[Agent Kay]

OLED at the beginning?
XEL-1? Better panel than Goldstar have mustered since Sony gave up.
8k OLED does not happen till Panasonic and Sony buy the display and try and fix the issues.

[LordoftheRings]

Fun time reading which 8K TV is the best so far (one outfit's opinion /// WHAT HI☆FI?):
• https://www.whathifi.com/amp/best-bu...resolution-tvs

[JohnAV]

A realist evaluation of a 5G usage - conclusion about as useful as a folding phone is right now.
Even if you switching from 4g to 5g your pings are the same, and uploads no improvement. Very weird to go a little distance away from 5G cell tower and see the phone constantly hopping between 4G and 5G access points. Since some are proclaiming how 5G is there to support 8K, think again.

5G: Explained! - YouTube

[foggystone]

This is kinda irritating. I just upgraded my tv to 4k after reading some related articles.
-https://www.techradar.com/news/television/10-best-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-in-the-world-today-1198304
-https://www.videoproc.com/edit-4k-video/4k-resolution.htm
[QUOTE] A 4K display is one with at least 8 million active pixels. For televisions, that resolution has standardized to 3,840 by 2,160. Digital cinema 4K (the resolution in 4K movie theaters) is slightly higher at 4,096 by 2,160. However you define it, it's four times the number of pixels on a 1080p display, and over 23 times the resolution of standard definition television.

How long I'll be waiting for it... Probably the price for a 8K TV would triple? I might just stick with my current one...

[NDcowboy]

Exciting news would be a 1080p 75” plasma that can accept & display hdr.

[Swissangel4616]

why should I interested in 8k when still 4k isn't working really ?

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by Swissangel4616

why should I interested in 8k when still 4k isn't working really ?

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

- Sony's 85" and 98" 8K Z9G peak luminance is 4,000 nits, so no tone mapping or reduced color volume on this TV. And you get the Back Light Master drive and a tuned processor that up-converts low resolution up to 4K to the panel's 8k resolution beautifully!
Until you have seen this beauty for yourself it's not fair to comment. I have spent much time with this gorgeous 8K TV with varied content. I also recommend checking out Vincent Theo's review.

Too bad that:

1. It has the X-wide view filter
2. It does not have BMD with individually controlled LEDs (like the Z9D)

Had it been the other way around (Z9D BMD and no X-wide filter), I would have pulled the trigger on that 85", but not for being it 8K though.

Looking forward in any possible new announcements from Sony @ IFA next month regarding new 80"+ premium high end LCD TVs or perhaps something else...

[Staying Salty]

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...formance-specs

Covering parameters for 8K input (bit depth, frame rate, chroma sub-sampling), display performance (resolution, peak brightness, black level, color gamut, white point), interface, and media formats, the new technical specification is built around HDMI 2.1 and the HEVC (high efficiency video coding) codec and specifies a resolution of 7,680 x 4,320 (or 33 million) pixels, which is four times that of the 4K Ultra HD standard; input frame rates of 24p, 30p, and 60p frames per second (fps); and display luminance that exceeds 600 nits peak luminance.

Additional specifications, which are available to 8KA members, include recommended performance levels for high dynamic range (HDR) and color.