Official Terminator Thread - Page 39 - Blu-ray Forum

RIPSeanTaylor21 · 05-26-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by macruz19

Seen the movie yesterday.. it was ok, but better than T3. In the beginning I was telling myself that this movie will suck. At the end it turned out to be ok.

T2 still the best movie in the series.

Agree, the same way

RIPSeanTaylor21 · 05-26-2009, 12:30 PM

Is It Just Me Or Did Anyone Else Love Arnolds Cameo?

DigitalfreakNYC · 05-26-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RIPSeanTaylor21

Is It Just Me Or Did Anyone Else Love Arnolds Cameo?

I hated it. Absolute cheese. The music. The lighting. The whole moment was stupid. Plus he looks like a video game.

Sussudio · 05-26-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DVDave

It's a different kind of film. This is a war film. There's no time for humor and romance. That's one of the things I liked about the relationship between Marcus and Blair. There was a spark between them but under the circumstances they couldn't have explored the possibility.

true dat, but even in war films is it possible to care about the characters. i dont believe that just because there's a battle going on doesn't mean you can't see how it is affecting the characters involved in it on different levels.

and regarding the point about the characters already being established...we knew john as a 12 year old, we knew kyle as a 30 something year old. this a different time in their lives, and i would liked to have seen more interaction and less action. that's all i'm saying. but that's just me

Sussudio · 05-26-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SPH

The only shot in the film that I was annoyed with was the motorcycle terminator being slung off the end of a cable smashing that plane thing, that was cheesy.

i actually loved that scene, because to me it showed how no matter how "human" machines try to be, they'll always fail when it comes to actual human train of thought. connor outsmarted a terminator not with a grenade, mine, or gun, but with a single rope. i personally thought it was a very nice touch

iori · 05-26-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sussudio

i actually loved that scene, because to me it showed how no matter how "human" machines try to be, they'll always fail when it comes to actual human train of thought. connor outsmarted a terminator not with a grenade, mine, or gun, but with a single rope. i personally thought it was a very nice touch

You are talking about a different scene. He is talking about Marcus and Kyle in the truck on the bridge when it smashed the hk in the air.

Sussudio · 05-26-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JHM

You are talking about a different scene. He is talking about Marcus and Kyle in the truck on the bridge when it smashed the hk in the air.

ah i gotya...read that wrong

yeah i do agree...i thought that scene was kind of cheesy as well

BStecke · 05-26-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

It has to be said (I haven't seen the film so i'm just saying) the same thing was said by manu when Blade Runner was released.

Yes, but Cameron has since said that his story finished with T2.

CYMBOL · 05-26-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DVDave

It's a different kind of film. This is a war film. There's no time for humor and romance. That's one of the things I liked about the relationship between Marcus and Blair. There was a spark between them but under the circumstances they couldn't have explored the possibility.

Yes, there is no time to explore deeper relationships and ideas in war films. Good thing we never got to know the characters in Saving Private Ryan, We Were Soldiers, etc. etc.

This was not a war film. It was an action movie - with little story behind it that did very little to advance the franchise. We learned almost nothing from this film.

And, I felt some things were just plain stupid.

Why send ONE lone Arnold model to take care of John?
They had Reese - but had no better security then a locked door?
Where were all the other Terminators during the jailbreak?
If Marcus is such a great infiltrator and could get that close to both Reese and Conner - why not assasinate them right then?
Are we actually supposed to believe that Skynet orchestrated that whole scenario - Marcus, through wild circumstances, ended up saving Reese, who ended up being caught, and Marcus met a pilot who had ejected, gets taken to their camp after a mine gets him, the lady helps him out, John lets him go, and he gives John the key to get in Skynet - REALLY???? Skynet planned all those random events??? Terrible writing. A fun movie for effects and sound - but that story just did nothing for me.

This franchise derserved some better writers.

DetroitSportsFan · 05-26-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RIPSeanTaylor21

Is It Just Me Or Did Anyone Else Love Arnolds Cameo?

Best part of the movie for me.

MCT · 05-26-2009, 01:28 PM

ehh. I thought it was eye-roll inducing. The theme music kicking in at the exact moment was kinda cool when I was caught up in the moment, but afterwards, not so much.

Mike53421 · 05-26-2009, 01:53 PM

Finally saw it last night even though I was really looking forward to it (that NIN-trailer just had such an awesome feel to it) and figured I would have seen it opening day. Oddly enough, this and Spiderman 3 are the only movies I made plans to see multiple times before I even saw it once (have plans to see it tomorrow, as well), coincidence?*

Having lowered my expectations based upon the negative buzz I heard on the weekend, I can honestly say I enjoyed it. This movie didn't blow me away as the BEST EVER but I enjoyed it and do not regret my decision to see it a second time tomorrow. Great action in this movie, that aspect doesn't stop, but I do agree the lack of character development did make it seem somewhat generic at times. Speaking of which, despite being a fan of Bale it really seemed like at times he was phoning in this movie, something was missing. The intense scenes though (like the one with Marcus from the trailer, "You tried to kill my Mother...") worked well. I enjoyed Marcus' character, even if the river effects seemed a bit half-assed, as a whole I enjoyed his role. As stated previously, what's the deal with them giving away the "twist" of Marcus being a machine so blatantly in the trailers? I wonder if they kept that quiet beforehand if it would have come across more shocking and helped the movie get a stronger reaction. Otherwise a fun action movie, sadly I suspect Transformers will go over better but I highly doubt I'll be seeing that one twice in theatres.

[Show spoiler]

*John Connor does not dance in a jazz club in Terminator Salvation, just a heads up.

Gamma_Winstead · 05-26-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CYMBOL

And, I felt some things were just plain stupid.

If Marcus is such a great infiltrator and could get that close to both Reese and Conner - why not assasinate them right then?

This franchise derserved some better writers.

Because he wasnt supposed to kill them.

Mike53421 · 05-26-2009, 02:10 PM

Oh yeah, I also enjoyed some of the almost point-of-view camera angles used. Some of Marcus' action scenes and Connor in the helicopter had this, I think Star Trek used some similar methods for their big action sequences.

Daredevil666 · 05-26-2009, 02:17 PM

Finally saw it, I think the biggest problem is that the characters don't have room to breathe, because each scene is expedited. Those idiots who made McG cut the movie ruined the commercial prospectives of the film. At 2H20, it probably would have been much better. Still enjoyed it, but will look forward to an hopefully expanded version on blu ray. This theatrical cut doesn't deliver the promises to the max.

CYMBOL · 05-26-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gamma626

Because he wasnt supposed to kill them.

Yes, he was supposed to "lure" them to Skynet - which, of course, he did through completely random events, so they could kill John Conner using only one Terminator

- and leave Reese "secured" with a locked door.

That makes perfect sense!

This should have been an all out assualt. Terminator's everywhere! We should have seen an epic battle to save the prisoners. Instead, we got 1 CGI Arnold.

I'm not saying people don't deserve their opinion that this movie was great - I'm just saying that, for me, the story elements just didn't line up and seem really contrived - with some characters completely wasted. (Seriously, I don't even remember if John's wife had any lines in the movie - did she even speak?)

Diesel · 05-26-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CYMBOL

Yes, he was supposed to "lure" them to Skynet - which, of course, he did through completely random events, so they could kill John Conner using only one Terminator - and leave Reese "secured" with a locked door.

That makes perfect sense!

This should have been an all out assualt. Terminator's everywhere! We should have seen an epic battle to save the prisoners. Instead, we got 1 CGI Arnold.

did they even have **** loads of terminators at this point?

MCT · 05-26-2009, 02:28 PM

no, maybe not shitloads, but it's SKYNET HQ for Christ sakes! There had to have been a fair amount of machines in there.

Trap Connor in a room surrounded by mini-gun toting Terminators and swiss cheese his ass. Movie over. Machines win.

Diesel · 05-26-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MCT

no, maybe not shitloads, but it's SKYNET HQ for Christ sakes! There had to have been a fair amount of machines in there.

Trap Connor in a room surrounded by mini-gun toting Terminators and swiss cheese his ass. Movie over. Machines win.

mini-gun!

the rest of your post was irrelevant, it became awesome as soon as you said mini-gun

TheZoof · 05-26-2009, 02:50 PM

Did anyone think it was sort of cool how the MACHINES are making the same mistake as human's did? They are relying on a HUMAN(Marcus) to do what they want and forgot that with a mind of it's own the human could turn on them?

I was thinking about that. I think I have to see this movie again. The more I think about it the more I enjoy it.

05-26-2009, 01:53 PM	#772
Mike53421 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2009 Location:Mississauga, ON Blu-ray collection:40	Finally saw it last night even though I was really looking forward to it (that NIN-trailer just had such an awesome feel to it) and figured I would have seen it opening day. Oddly enough, this and Spiderman 3 are the only movies I made plans to see multiple times before I even saw it once (have plans to see it tomorrow, as well), coincidence?* Having lowered my expectations based upon the negative buzz I heard on the weekend, I can honestly say I enjoyed it. This movie didn't blow me away as the BEST EVER but I enjoyed it and do not regret my decision to see it a second time tomorrow. Great action in this movie, that aspect doesn't stop, but I do agree the lack of character development did make it seem somewhat generic at times. Speaking of which, despite being a fan of Bale it really seemed like at times he was phoning in this movie, something was missing. The intense scenes though (like the one with Marcus from the trailer, "You tried to kill my Mother...") worked well. I enjoyed Marcus' character, even if the river effects seemed a bit half-assed, as a whole I enjoyed his role. As stated previously, what's the deal with them giving away the "twist" of Marcus being a machine so blatantly in the trailers? I wonder if they kept that quiet beforehand if it would have come across more shocking and helped the movie get a stronger reaction. Otherwise a fun action movie, sadly I suspect Transformers will go over better but I highly doubt I'll be seeing that one twice in theatres. [Show spoiler] John Connor does not dance in a jazz club in Terminator Salvation, just a heads up. Last edited by Mike53421; 05-26-2009 at 01:56 PM.*

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05-26-2009, 12:30 PM	#762
RIPSeanTaylor21 Special Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:FedEX Field, Ring Of Fame 11/30/2008 Home Theater Gallery:35 Blu-ray collection:216 Blu-ray reviews:27	Is It Just Me Or Did Anyone Else Love Arnolds Cameo?

05-26-2009, 01:28 PM	#771
MCT Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Nov 2008 Blu-ray collection:499 Blu-ray reviews: 8 Trading Score:1	ehh. I thought it was eye-roll inducing. The theme music kicking in at the exact moment was kinda cool when I was caught up in the moment, but afterwards, not so much.

05-26-2009, 02:10 PM	#774
Mike53421 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2009 Location:Mississauga, ON Blu-ray collection:40	Oh yeah, I also enjoyed some of the almost point-of-view camera angles used. Some of Marcus' action scenes and Connor in the helicopter had this, I think Star Trek used some similar methods for their big action sequences.

05-26-2009, 02:17 PM	#775
Daredevil666 Power Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Future Earth Blu-ray reviews:1	Finally saw it, I think the biggest problem is that the characters don't have room to breathe, because each scene is expedited. Those idiots who made McG cut the movie ruined the commercial prospectives of the film. At 2H20, it probably would have been much better. Still enjoyed it, but will look forward to an hopefully expanded version on blu ray. This theatrical cut doesn't deliver the promises to the max.

05-26-2009, 02:28 PM	#778
MCT Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Nov 2008 Blu-ray collection:499 Blu-ray reviews: 8 Trading Score:1	no, maybe not shitloads, but it's SKYNET HQ for Christ sakes! There had to have been a fair amount of machines in there. Trap Connor in a room surrounded by mini-gun toting Terminators and swiss cheese his ass. Movie over. Machines win.

05-26-2009, 02:50 PM	#780
TheZoof Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Aug 2008 Location:Ottawa,Canada Home Theater Gallery:27 4K collection:850 Blu-ray collection:1636 DVD collection:10 Blu-ray reviews: 38 Trading Score:2	Did anyone think it was sort of cool how the MACHINES are making the same mistake as human's did? They are relying on a HUMAN(Marcus) to do what they want and forgot that with a mind of it's own the human could turn on them? I was thinking about that. I think I have to see this movie again. The more I think about it the more I enjoy it.

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