Dark Force Entertainment Discussion Thread

[Jope]

Originally Posted by CODE RED DVD

I can repress BBNM, but like most people will not buy it.

not for the $45 y'all are selling it for.

drop it to $25 and see what kinda attention it gets then. i know there are dozens of fleabayers who don't want to see that happen.

[Jope]

Originally Posted by miribeau

I'm just going to lay this out quickly, so I don't get in trouble with Titan, and then ask a couple of questions

way to fail twice in one sentence.

[kraven]

Originally Posted by Dark Force

These pics are a lot better. These customized slips all look better in person though. The glow paint is only on the embossed part of the slip so it looks 3D when it glows in the dark like a monster model. Personally I think The Gates of Hell is the best looking, followed by Dead Pit and then Breeders but I do think the Breeders looks great in person. If you check out the pics and reviews from fans the overall response has been excellent on these.

This doesn't look better in person. That is the whole point. You are sacrificing the regular look for the GitD gimmick. People will only ever look at this GitD thing once...if that. You need to make sure the slip looks it's best in the daylight.

[Coatchief]

Originally Posted by CODE RED DVD

I can repress BBNM, but like most people will not buy it. I am not healthy and cant live with people who only blu-ray unless is OOP

Bill, I would definitely buy one in this case. With the current price tag attached to these 'final copies' found every few months and the ones on the resale market I have accepted I will never own it. I will not buy a bootleg edition from Germany though. It may be hard to fathom, but, I believe there are new Code Red fans, such as myself, who are buying your products. I wasn't buying blu-rays in 2017. My first CR title was SOAWN and as of now I have more than 100 CR titles. I admit, part of the fun is the hunt, but, I have a short list of titles that are beyond my reach...[[cough]] [[cough]]...BBNM, Necromancy, Devils Wedding Night, the Dead Are Alive.

Originally Posted by Cinema84

Pressing plants require a minimum of 1,000 units, correct?

I thought after initial pressing of 1000 smaller amounts were able to be pressed, say another 500?

[jarrod_inf]

Count me in for BBNM for no more than $30.

[CrowKiller]

Originally Posted by CODE RED DVD

I can repress BBNM, but like most people will not buy it. I am not healthy and cant live with people who only blu-ray unless is OOP

I got new lawyer who will prosecute anyone in USA that sell german bootleg and lawyer has partner in Germany that file lawsuit to the German company. if you check the German label, they stole many code red release titles.

enough is enough.

Where are these "German bootlegs" to buy? I'd love to give you my money instead, but you don't want it. Rather sue bootlegging Germans than press more discs and make money, then push them out with your legit release. Press more of your popular titles and they will sell. Quit crying over lack of sales when things used to be harder to access/buy and you ran a store like crap that scared people away.

Sometimes things don't pick up steam for people until later. Back then obviously wasn't your time, but now is. Take advantage of it. More people buy your shit now.

[WillieMLF]

Originally Posted by CrowKiller

Where are these "German bootlegs" to buy? I'd love to give you my money instead, but you don't want it. Rather sue bootlegging Germans than press more discs and make money, then push them out with your legit release. Press more of your popular titles and they will sell. Quit crying over lack of sales when things used to be harder to access/buy and you ran a store like crap that scared people away.

Sometimes things don't pick up steam for people until later. Back then obviously wasn't your time, but now is. Take advantage of it. More people buy your shit now.

I find it hard to believe anyone that doesn't think it's going to be repressed, if it hasn't already.....

[SeanJoyce]

Originally Posted by jarrod_inf

Count me in for BBNM for no more than $30.

Same

[CODE RED DVD]

pressing plant will demand 1000+ blu. According to my noted I pressed 1,500. blu. it was a painful task to sell off 1500. Last batch, diabolik sold it cheap and many people didn't buy it, as the last batch was ignored and died in a painful sluggish sales. now its all gone,

savage streets took me 9 month to sell 1,000 blu. many didnt get it, so another 1000 was pressed. that 2nd batch took a year to sell out. then more people said they didnt buy it. Ronin wanted sell a deluxe version. that version didnt sell out and still for sale.

I like get my money back, $47,000.00 is price I spend to buy BBNM. thst fee doesnt include lab fee

[Jlouisbarrett]

Originally Posted by CODE RED DVD

pressing plant will demand 1000+ blu. According to my noted I pressed 1,500. blu. it was a painful task to sell off 1500. Last batch, diabolik sold it cheap and many people didn't buy it, as the last batch was ignored and died in a painful sluggish sales. now its all gone,

savage streets took me 9 month to sell 1,000 blu. many didnt get it, so another 1000 was pressed. that 2nd batch took a year to sell out. then more people said they didnt buy it. Ronin wanted sell a deluxe version. that version didnt sell out and still for sale.

I like get my money back, $47,000.00 is price I spend to buy BBNM. thst fee doesnt include lab fee

I’ve always wondered where on earth you get so much money if you can’t seem to sell any blu-rays...?

[Coatchief]

Originally Posted by CODE RED DVD

I like get my money back, $47,000.00 is price I spend to buy BBNM. thst fee doesnt include lab fee

I fail to see how suing a company and not selling your own product is helping recoup that expense.

[Jope]

Originally Posted by CODE RED DVD

pressing plant will demand 1000+ blu. According to my noted I pressed 1,500. blu. it was a painful task to sell off 1500. Last batch, diabolik sold it cheap and many people didn't buy it, as the last batch was ignored and died in a painful sluggish sales. now its all gone,

savage streets took me 9 month to sell 1,000 blu. many didnt get it, so another 1000 was pressed. that 2nd batch took a year to sell out. then more people said they didnt buy it. Ronin wanted sell a deluxe version. that version didnt sell out and still for sale.

I like get my money back, $47,000.00 is price I spend to buy BBNM. thst fee doesnt include lab fee

bill, i hate to sound like a broken record, but i don't know how you can justifiably complain about poor sales when your store was closed more often than it was open. and what were you doing to promote your brand beyond just posting something on facebook? have you tried ads in fangoria or rue morgue?

[jboss]

Originally Posted by Coatchief

I fail to see how suing a company and not selling your own product is helping recoup that expense.

While I'm certainly critical of Code Red and Dark Force's business practices in many ways, I can see some logic in this case.

From the dollar amounts Bill mentioned above, it seems like he hasn't made back his money on BBNM yet. The problem is that in order to make another batch of discs, he'd have to pay for 1,000 up front. Bill has said he's had ongoing medical issues and financial issues to go with them. Him having to pay thousands of dollars up front for a new batch of discs may be hard to justify, as he'd likely have to sell hundreds just to pay for the reprint before he'd even start to recoup the original costs. Assuming Bill's feeling that it wouldn't sell is accurate, that makes it even more difficult to justify.

That said, I'm sure it'd have better sales at a $25 or so price-point versus the inflated prices Code Red has sold it for in the past. The fact that people are charging so much for it second hand should be an indication that there's some market there - it's tough to see how big it is, though.

Originally Posted by Jope

bill, i hate to sound like a broken record, but i don't know how you can justifiably complain about poor sales when your store was closed more often than it was open.

This is also a valid point.

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But I don't see the argument against putting out a digital release. That should be a very minimal financial investment, unless there are streaming rights issues. But I would think that with Bill buying worldwide distribution rights, that should include digital.

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by Jope

bill, i hate to sound like a broken record, but i don't know how you can justifiably complain about poor sales when your store was closed more often than it was open. and what were you doing to promote your brand beyond just posting something on facebook? have you tried ads in fangoria or rue morgue?

I can see his response coming from a mile ahead: "ads are too expensive". But lawyers to go after bootleggers in another country aren't?

[diverdave]

Originally Posted by CrowKiller

Where are these "German bootlegs" to buy? I'd love to give you my money instead, but you don't want it. Rather sue bootlegging Germans than press more discs and make money, then push them out with your legit release. Press more of your popular titles and they will sell. Quit crying over lack of sales when things used to be harder to access/buy and you ran a store like crap that scared people away.

Sometimes things don't pick up steam for people until later. Back then obviously wasn't your time, but now is. Take advantage of it. More people buy your shit now.

A quick google search shows you can get 1,000 25GB discs pressed with case for $2.10 each plus 10 cents each for shrink wrap.

https://www.quickturnduplication.com...nd-duplication

Heck you can even do 100 retail ready for $435.

Originally Posted by Jope

way to fail twice in one sentence.

Dude, you're killing me!

[delicreep]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

How about partnering with Vinegar Syndrome?

[miribeau]

Originally Posted by CODE RED DVD

pressing plant will demand 1000+ blu. According to my noted I pressed 1,500. blu. it was a painful task to sell off 1500. Last batch, diabolik sold it cheap and many people didn't buy it, as the last batch was ignored and died in a painful sluggish sales. now its all gone,

savage streets took me 9 month to sell 1,000 blu. many didnt get it, so another 1000 was pressed. that 2nd batch took a year to sell out. then more people said they didnt buy it. Ronin wanted sell a deluxe version. that version didnt sell out and still for sale.

I like get my money back, $47,000.00 is price I spend to buy BBNM. thst fee doesnt include lab fee

You have said you pressed 1,000 copies, 2,500 copies, and 1,500 copies of BBNM. Thank you for stating that 1,500 is the true number of the three. You feel that 1,500 capitalized on demand and the demand dried up. So, with no demand, why are you upset about the German copy? If you are right and there is no demand, it won't sell. If you are wrong, it isn't stealing profits from you, as you have gone on record that you are done with the film, having washed your hands of it. To win your case in Germany, you would have to show harm but have gone on record as being completely finished distributing the film. This is perplexing.

Additionally, your statement that you wish to recoup losses stands in direct contradiction to your behaviour. You have no digital HD, which is free money waiting to be collected by you, as the worldwide rights owner. Instead, ebayers and a German company are standing to profit off of your work, while you are not selling it in any form.

You know I actually care about you, as a human being, so, I ask again, why are you upset about the German company? You really shouldn't be upset at all, given you are done with the film. If you're done with the film and there is no demand for it anyway, why not just watch them press 500 and watch them fail to sell them and then laugh about it?

Originally Posted by CODE RED DVD

I can repress BBNM, but like most people will not buy it. I am not healthy and cant live with people who only blu-ray unless is OOP

I got new lawyer who will prosecute anyone in USA that sell german bootleg and lawyer has partner in Germany that file lawsuit to the German company. if you check the German label, they stole many code red release titles.

enough is enough.

That's why I'm worried, Bill. That is going to cost a lot more money. On top of the $47,000 you said you haven't been able to get back. This is also money you won't get back. I really hope you remember that lawyers do their job for money, motivated by self-interest. They aren't trying to save you money. They are trying to get paid by you, independently, while, simultaneously, taking around 50% of what they earn back for you. On top of that, German laws are different. There are multiple professional bootlegging labels there. On top of that, if you get a stay in German court, they can just sell them in Spain, where bootlegging is legal. Please don't waste your money. You worked too hard for it to give it to lawyers.

[1234567?]

I think there is still an interest for BBNM on blu, as I still don't have it. I will most likely import. I also feel that BBNM is double dip worthy for a possible deluxe version. Bill's just being stubborn.

Edit: Put 10 or so up right now for $22-25 and see how fast they sell. At the vary least you should reprint another 1000 and keep stock steady for another year at that price range on diabolik and amazon.

[cloudnine]

Originally Posted by 1234567?

I think there is still an interest for BBNM on blu, as I still don't have it. I will most likely import. I also feel that BBNM is double dip worthy for a possible deluxe version. Bill's just being stubborn.

Edit: Put 10 or so up right now for $22-25 and see how fast they sell. At the vary least you should reprint another 1000 and keep stock steady for another year at that price range on diabolik and amazon.

Bill would rather be a cry baby than make money.

[Coatchief]

Originally Posted by jboss

While I'm certainly critical of Code Red and Dark Force's business practices in many ways, I can see some logic in this case.

From the dollar amounts Bill mentioned above, it seems like he hasn't made back his money on BBNM yet. The problem is that in order to make another batch of discs, he'd have to pay for 1,000 up front. Bill has said he's had ongoing medical issues and financial issues to go with them. Him having to pay thousands of dollars up front for a new batch of discs may be hard to justify, as he'd likely have to sell hundreds just to pay for the reprint before he'd even start to recoup the original costs. Assuming Bill's feeling that it wouldn't sell is accurate, that makes it even more difficult to justify.

That said, I'm sure it'd have better sales at a $25 or so price-point versus the inflated prices Code Red has sold it for in the past. The fact that people are charging so much for it second hand should be an indication that there's some market there - it's tough to see how big it is, though.

Then we would be into The Farmer territory. I'm all for it because I believe Bill should fight this German company if he owns the rights. However, any lawsuits that come from this will only add to the total expense of this film, and his misery. It will also continue to be used to justify it not ever being available to buy.

But I don't see the argument against putting out a digital release. That should be a very minimal financial investment, unless there are streaming rights issues. But I would think that with Bill buying worldwide distribution rights, that should include digital.

It's just my opinion but the market for a digital release on BBNM is probably smaller than physical media market.


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It has been stated over and over that Bill and Dave don't have faith in customers to follow through on pre-orders or any type of crowd funding so I will just spit-ball here since I have no idea what Bill's operating costs are;
I bet Bill could get the pressing cost covered through pre-orders, this sounds feasible to me at least. There would have to be a commitment made by the customer and no actual cost for Bill. Let's say 100 pledged copies at $25 each, based on the cost quote mentioned earlier @$2200. Maybe he needs more copies sold to cover any additional overhead. Bill would know these numbers and be able to provide them should he attempt. Then I guess it's just a matter of weighing the cost of storing 900 units to be sold whenever and however long it takes. If the target is not met then it's a no-go with no obligation whatsoever on Bill's part.

Let me repeat, I have no actual knowledge of any operating costs and my calculations are based mostly on hearsay. I am not, have not and probably never will, operate my own business. I am still confident this product would sell. I have seen the movie. It is awesome. I just want to be able to afford a copy on my crappy salary. I don't need it today, but I'd buy it if it were available. I don't need it tomorrow, but I'd buy it if it were available. If the Dark Force store opens next week/month with stock, I'd buy it then. I won't be buying it this week when they open.

Maybe The Demon will be The Saint for a moment and cover the pressing for a percentage of the sales.


Call me crazy, but I like Code Red, Dark Force, Bill and Dave. [[[Where's Tom?]]]

I just want to buy Code Red movies.