The Star Wars Blu(e)s

[MCT]

not getting into this, but that's a really bad analogy.

carry on.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by toefer

Anyone that doesn't like George Lucas' idea of Star Wars can go make their own versions. I'm not a huge fan of the movies in general, but they're his and he can do what he wants with them.

Do these same people go to concerts and get mad if the artist doesn't play the song exactly like it sounded on the CD? They're raping your childhood too, by playing their songs the way they want to play them.

You just dont get it do you? You just dont.....

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by MCT

not getting into this, but that's a really bad analogy.

carry on.

Whats a bad analogy?

[MCT]

his artist concert/CD analogy

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by Elvis

You just dont get it do you? You just dont.....

dr.evil in "aust p. 3".

[Deadset]

Originally Posted by toefer

Anyone that doesn't like George Lucas' idea of Star Wars can go make their own versions. I'm not a huge fan of the movies in general, but they're his and he can do what he wants with them.

Do these same people go to concerts and get mad if the artist doesn't play the song exactly like it sounded on the CD? They're raping your childhood too, by playing their songs the way they want to play them.

I have to respectfully disagree. If the director decides to change something that has been unleashed on the public, it's just common courtesy to release both versions. It's art, people paid for it sure, it'd be nice to release them with updates but I've never seen someone so hellbent on not keeping up with something.

Could you imagine if Led Zeppelin stopped selling stairway to heaven as it is currently released and re-recorded the song b/c they have better resources? Sure I'd like to give the new track a listen, however it'd be great to still hear the original and be able to buy it on any new medium that is invented in the future.

Let me be real clear, I'm not trying to change your mind or opinion, this is just my take. It doesn't make it gospel or right, just my personal preference.

[Sussudio]

Originally Posted by Deads3t

Let me be real clear, I'm not trying to change your mind or opinion, this is just my take. It doesn't make it gospel or right, just my personal preference.

i think that's the problem some people in here are having...we have to remember that we all stating our own personal preferences and opinions about the originals/SEs....no one here knows what is definitive and what isn't, we can only guess based on what lucas or others have said.

cmon guys, we all love star wars (i think), we don't need to be this uptight about our opinions we can all agree that we want the originals to be released on blu, right?

[rexington]

Originally Posted by Blu-Benny

i thought there was talk of him going back and adding him in digitally in all of his scenes...

He already has. Check out The Empire of Dreams documentary in the OT boxset. Ther's a clip of the new CG yoda in Phantom Menace. John Knoll (the Animation Supervisor I beleive) said George had them do CG Yoda in Episode 1 as a warm up for Episode 2.

My guess is we'll soon see Star Wars on Blu (within 2 years is my guess) for these reasons:

1. He's rereleasing them Theatrically in 3D so he'll cash in on releasing the current versions on Blu Ray first - I'd put money on it.

2. The New Live Action series will be airing within the next 2 years

I also bet that we'll eventually get a Special Edition Prequel trilogy as we know he's tinkered with Phantom Menace, so my guess is he'll do another pass for the 3D release.

The CG effects in 1999 will need polishing for Blu Ray as anyone who's seen it in HD will see how the CG has dated in that episode.

Rex

[Beast]

Yeah, they pulled a mold from the original puppet for Yoda for E1....

And it turned out looking positively awful. So I welcome the CGI replacement.

[stargazeruk]

Star Wars on video had seen many versions of star wars.

DVD had see only the 2004 special edtion and that was released with no change only to have a second release with a second this disk that was an extra and a Laser Disk port for the originals.

I do hope george as now finished tweaking starwars and just puts them on blu-ray.

The only episode I want tweaked is Episode 1. The changes I want to see is less jar jar and a better looking yoda.

[Beast]

Nah, the next release will have a few more tweaks. You can bet on it.

Honestly, I prefer the newest versions. I'd only make one change....

Turning "You're lucky you got out of there." back into "You're lucky you don't taste very good."

I'm perfectly happy with everything else. And even the above isn't a big deal.

[Deadset]

Originally Posted by Sussudio

i think that's the problem some people in here are having...we have to remember that we all stating our own personal preferences and opinions about the originals/SEs....no one here knows what is definitive and what isn't, we can only guess based on what lucas or others have said.

cmon guys, we all love star wars (i think), we don't need to be this uptight about our opinions we can all agree that we want the originals to be released on blu, right?

[toef]

Originally Posted by Deads3t

I have to respectfully disagree. If the director decides to change something that has been unleashed on the public, it's just common courtesy to release both versions. It's art, people paid for it sure, it'd be nice to release them with updates but I've never seen someone so hellbent on not keeping up with something.

Could you imagine if Led Zeppelin stopped selling stairway to heaven as it is currently released and re-recorded the song b/c they have better resources? Sure I'd like to give the new track a listen, however it'd be great to still hear the original and be able to buy it on any new medium that is invented in the future.

Let me be real clear, I'm not trying to change your mind or opinion, this is just my take. It doesn't make it gospel or right, just my personal preference.

Well I respectfully disagree, even though you make good points. I don't know where the common courtesy comes from, because it's not like there's an established trend to be following.

I'd care more if Lucas was seeking out every copy of the original versions and was setting them on fire, but he's not. For people that want the original versions, they're still out there.

I'm not George Lucas, and I don't know what's going through his head, but if he decides that he only wants to release the newer editions with all the CGI changes and whatever else, then that's his choice. I'm sure he has a reason in his head as to why he'll never release the originals again, and that's his decision.

I wouldn't be thrilled if Led Zeppelin released a new version of StH (mainly because I don't want to them to unretire), but if they do and only release that version from here on out, that's their choice.

Artists own their art... or at least George Lucas owns Star Wars. If I don't like the new stuff they are doing, I don't support it, and I don't purchase it. But I never think that they owe it to me to give me what I want, the way I want it. You get what they choose to give, and you can take it or leave it.

Why do people want the movies on BD? So they look and sound better? How is that any different than what Lucas was attempting with changing the movies?

[Sussudio]

great summary toef...to highlight what i think are some of the key points you made:

-I'd care more if Lucas was seeking out every copy of the original versions and was setting them on fire, but he's not. For people that want the original versions, they're still out there.

-George Lucas owns Star Wars. If I don't like the new stuff they are doing, I don't support it, and I don't purchase it. But I never think that they owe it to me to give me what I want, the way I want it.

-Why do people want the movies on BD? So they look and sound better? How is that any different than what Lucas was attempting with changing the movies? (emphasis on "attempting")

[Deadset]

Originally Posted by toefer

Well I respectfully disagree, even though you make good points. I don't know where the common courtesy comes from, because it's not like there's an established trend to be following.

I'd care more if Lucas was seeking out every copy of the original versions and was setting them on fire, but he's not. For people that want the original versions, they're still out there.

I'm not George Lucas, and I don't know what's going through his head, but if he decides that he only wants to release the newer editions with all the CGI changes and whatever else, then that's his choice. I'm sure he has a reason in his head as to why he'll never release the originals again, and that's his decision.

I wouldn't be thrilled if Led Zeppelin released a new version of StH (mainly because I don't want to them to unretire), but if they do and only release that version from here on out, that's their choice.

Artists own their art... or at least George Lucas owns Star Wars. If I don't like the new stuff they are doing, I don't support it, and I don't purchase it. But I never think that they owe it to me to give me what I want, the way I want it. You get what they choose to give, and you can take it or leave it.

Why do people want the movies on BD? So they look and sound better? How is that any different than what Lucas was attempting with changing the movies?

The common courtesy is just out of respect of your opinion, I think people should be able to discuss things without being childish.

Part of me wants to agree with you, but the other part wants to say it's a simple demand issue. GL is basically telling us "this is what you want" by waving the force hand at us. It's not a choice between 2 versions of the movie, it's "this way or the highway" regardless of what people demand (when I say demand, I'm referring to supply and demand - just to be clear).

His proverbial thumb is keeping this from happening, regardless of what people want. Don't you find that odd? Sure he made the movies, I get that point. But if you have power, money, women & sugar (cheap Simpsons reference) why not "be the good guy" and release it to the masses. What harm is it? Does he feel it's not PC enough in today's world? Is he to judge that?

I don't want to philosophize all night long, but it stands to reason in a capitalistic society things like this normally don't happen. Dictatorships....well yes... You are told what is acceptable.

Maybe all this is for not and we movie lovers who want originals to be released on the latest medium will get what we want. Maybe it's a big marketing ploy and will drive sales through the roof in a few years...

In any case, I'm done with the topic. Cheers and no hard feelings.

[thedarkangel1975]

Originally Posted by Dawson

Just curious...with the "double-dip" precedent that has already been established with Star Wars on VHS and DVD, how many different versions of Star Wars do you think will be released on Blu?

I'm thinking:

1.) Original Trilogy set
2.) Original Trilogy (Special Editions) set
3.) Original Trilogy movies sold individually
4.) Prequel Trilogy set
5.) Prequel Trilogy movies sold individually
6.) and possibly (this is a long shot, here) a box set of all 6 films

Thoughts????

Here we go again. Ugh....

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by online365daysayear

I have a feeling the Original Trilogy will be released on Blu-ray one day after all other versions are released first to make the most profit from the series.

There are probably no longer any film prints of the original cuts. If there were film masters available, I'd expect that they would have at least put together a better digital copy on the DVD. All that I believe exist are low resolution terrible digital copies and high res (what are they, 2K?) scans that have been altered into the special editions. The versions released on DVD were culled from masters made for laserdisc, non-anamorphic and SD. Don't expect to ever see this thing in HD, because you will likely be very disappointed.

They'll probably include the same SD laser disc masters on a Blu-ray release at some point as an extra feature. Don't expect a feature length HD presentation.

Originally Posted by Sussudio

i really hope you're right...i want the originals just as much as everyone else...just throwing out what i've heard again and again though. how great would it be to have seamless branching for each OT movie with both theatrical and SE cuts of the movie on a single disc in 7.1...well, a guy can dream

Seamless branching isn't really possible with this due to all of the changes. It's not as though the differences are just new scenes added in or removed. It's a lot more complicated than that and they'd sooner put two full editions of the movie on the disc (like Donnie Darko did) than try to piece something together with seamless branching when the stuff doesn't really match up well enough to do it.

Originally Posted by Beast

Honestly, I prefer the newest versions.

You're a cool dude to admit this. I like the new effects and things myself (even though I would like to have theatrical available as well), but I really hope they go back and fix stuff up so it actually looks good in HD, but yet, not change things much. That scene with Jabba and Han... Jabba looks so bad.

Actually, I take that back. Removing some Jar Jar from The Phantom Menace wouldn't bother me at all.

I'd care more if Lucas was seeking out every copy of the original versions and was setting them on fire, but he's not. For people that want the original versions, they're still out there.

Popular theory is that after remastering and retouching for the special editions, the original prints were destroyed. If I recall, they didn't even have masters to work from and ended up creating the remastered version from a commercial print.

Oh! I know! Maybe someday they'll take the composite parts that make up the special edition and recreate what the original theatrical release looked like using high quality digital sets!

why not "be the good guy" and release it to the masses. What harm is it?

It's harm to his artistic vision of his characters and world he's created.

[mjbethancourt]

I think it would be reasonable to just re-do the voice work for Jar-Jar... don't cut him out or drastically alter the events of the movie, just make him a little less annoying.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Elvis

As long as he UN RAPES the kids of the 70's and replaces the abominations he has out there with the unaltered originals!

Oh, unrape yourself!

[Mr.White]

Although I would prefer a Blu set of original SW Trilogy cuts,is it true that they are non-anamorphic in the DVD set? If that is true i will not be interested,zooming and such is a pain in the ass and lessens the picture quality!