Black Snake Moan PQ not that good? Because it's not "fullscreen"

[Steeb]

Originally Posted by Viquist_Zius

I work at Best Buy and I tell you the average person still wants "Full Screen" and hates "black bars."

Thank you for listening to my rant, I'll be here more often!

Remember, we're the geeks who know better - we're not the "average person."

Once again, a Best Buy employee is part of the problem and not part of the solution. I really, really hope you don't work in a sales position in the home theater and/or movie sections. The amount of factual errors contained in your post show that you really shouldn't be advising anyone about their purchases.

Movies are works of art. You wouldn't cut the Mona Lisa to fit your brand new, fancy-schmancy frame, would you? Same concept here. Directors and cinematographers choose the aspect ratio to shoot their films in based on a number of factors (none of which have to do with the shape of your TV.) Either respect the choices made, watch it in the OAR and quit whining or use the various "zoom" features on your new TV and accept that your image will be degraded (and quit whining.)

I feel like banging my head against a wall...

[Ender]

I paid a lot more for my collection of movies than I did for my tv, and I want to see the whole film, long live "black bars."

[Deciazulado]

Viquist_Zius, welcome. I can understand (we all can) people wanting their screens filled up and the $$$/ratio; but doing that to the movie on the disc, compromises the image of the movie (cuts parts off, or adds extraneous empty areas of the set not meant to be seen), while a simpler way is to make the disc correct, and if you want it, have your display (or player) alter the image on the disc to your taste, instead of having the movie altered permanently for everybody in the factory. I give you this, if you wanna read more about it (some linked threads have pic examples):

Black bars? 4:3-16:9-2.35 Widescreen Fullscreen Scope OAR sticky threads

[reiella]

Originally Posted by terren2000

why is it that with all the technology we cant get widescreen without the Black bars.

Umm, because try as we might, technology just can't change the shape of our television for each movie yet?

Maybe if we had Transformer level technology.

[Steeb]

Originally Posted by reiella

Umm, because try as we might, technology just can't change the shape of our television for each movie yet?

Maybe if we had Transformer level technology.

I want a Decepticon TV. That would be sweet... until it tried to conquer the planet and all...

[Viquist_Zius]

First off, thanks Deciazulado for the welcome and the info. And to Steeb, I happen to like OAR and this BBY Employee is not part of the problem. I simply said that the average consumer, the ones it will take for the format to beat DVD, the grandpas and mamas and low budget families that aren't into high tech stuff, still want their movies to fill up a screen and no matter how much you explain to them the benefits of a "black bars" movie they simply don't want it. Yes, I have 61"s and I would love to use it all and while I personally don't mind the black bars, my wife complains just about everytime "what's the point in having a widescreen TV if you still have black bars?!?" After explaining it to her she says what every other J6P will tell you out there... "Well, I'm the end consumer and if they want me happy and buying their movies they'll film it or chop it the way I want them to or I'll stick with my Full Screen DVD!" Sad, but true. You don't know me Steeb, I've been looking at this site for quite some time, along with a lot of others and I know my stuff, I have a PS3 and watch my Blu-Rays through Net-Flix, I've seen it, experienced it, learned it, and absorbed it.... and I Love it... but the people I mentioned above could care less about the art of the movie they care about $$ spent on a Big Screen HDTV and looking at a "smaller" picture. Oh, no Steeb, I'm not part of the problem, I'm trying to help the industry find their solutions... one post at a time.

[zdefonte]

Originally Posted by Steeb

What is this, 1994? How is it possible that we're still discussing aspect ratios after all of this time? An even better question is - how is it possible that there are BD early adopters willing to sacrifice part of the image of a given film in order to have it fill up their TV screen?

The human race is doomed. This thread proves it.

Maybe they have plasma displays and that are still yet to be "aged" and therefore the need to watch everything that fills the screen?

[miked924]

I would love everything to be pillarboxed!

[Steeb]

Originally Posted by Viquist_Zius

And to Steeb, I happen to like OAR and this BBY Employee is not part of the problem. I simply said that the average consumer, the ones it will take for the format to beat DVD, the grandpas and mamas and low budget families that aren't into high tech stuff, still want their movies to fill up a screen and no matter how much you explain to them the benefits of a "black bars" movie they simply don't want it. Yes, I have 61"s and I would love to use it all and while I personally don't mind the black bars, my wife complains just about everytime "what's the point in having a widescreen TV if you still have black bars?!?" After explaining it to her she says what every other J6P will tell you out there... "Well, I'm the end consumer and if they want me happy and buying their movies they'll film it or chop it the way I want them to or I'll stick with my Full Screen DVD!" Sad, but true. You don't know me Steeb, I've been looking at this site for quite some time, along with a lot of others and I know my stuff, I have a PS3 and watch my Blu-Rays through Net-Flix, I've seen it, experienced it, learned it, and absorbed it.... and I Love it... but the people I mentioned above could care less about the art of the movie they care about $$ spent on a Big Screen HDTV and looking at a "smaller" picture. Oh, no Steeb, I'm not part of the problem, I'm trying to help the industry find their solutions... one post at a time.

Allow me to remind you of what posted (and what I was responding to):

Originally Posted by Viquist-Zius

This is my first and I think it's on a good topic I'd like to discuss, I like OAR as much as anyone else but I bought a 61" Samsung DLP for a reason. If I wanted 31 inches of movie I'd have bought a 30" tv. With that said I would prefer it if the directors shot the movie in a 16x9 aspect ratio like they did for most DVD's instead of everyone buying new 16x9 widescreen high def tv's, getting that high def player just to have a smaller picture. I work at Best Buy and I tell you the average person still wants "Full Screen" and hates "black bars."

Thank you for listening to my rant, I'll be here more often!

You specifically said that although you like OAR "as much as anyone else," you "bought a 61" TV for a reason." You also said that if you "wanted 31 inches of movie I'd have bought a 30" TV." Not only that, but you said you'd prefer that directors potentially compromise their vision by shooting everything in 1.78:1 so that it fits your new TV (you seem to think that they used to do that for DVDs, but that just demonstrates your ignorance on the subject.)

Originally Posted by Viquist-Zius

I'm trying to help the industry find their solutions... one post at a time.

The only "solution" needed is to better educate the "sales people" who can then clearly explain the situation to the customer. If J6P doesn't like OAR, they can stick with SD DVD (or VHS) as far as I'm concerned. Instead of "trying to help the industry find their solutions..." - whatever that BS was supposed to mean - just educate yourself on the subject a little better .

Sounds like you're part of the problem to me. <shrug> If you're in a sales position, I'd suggest that you spend some time educating yourself on the products you're pushing. Right now, you know just enough to make you dangerous. IMO, of course.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Steeb

Allow me to remind you of what posted (and what I was responding to):

You specifically said that although you like OAR "as much as anyone else," you "bought a 61" TV for a reason." You also said that if you "wanted 31 inches of movie I'd have bought a 30" TV." Not only that, but you said you'd prefer that directors potentially compromise their vision by shooting everything in 1.78:1 so that it fits your new TV (you seem to think that they used to do that for DVDs, but that just demonstrates your ignorance on the subject.)

Sounds like you're part of the problem to me. <shrug> If you're in a sales position, I'd suggest that you spend some time educating yourself on the products you're pushing. Right now, you know just enough to make you dangerous. IMO, of course.

Steeb, don't bother.

We have been having this OAR conversation for nearly 10 years since the dawn of DVD when people said that directors should film in 4:3 because the majority of TVs were 4:3, now we have those same people saying directors should film in 16:9 because the majority of TVs are 16:9. Does anyone foresee 21:9 TVs (not CH projectors, which many people already have) as the next big thing?

[Viquist_Zius]

Yes, I'd prefer to it to fill my screen, I didn't forget what you were responding to. But what I prefer doesn't mean I'm not going to watch a movie or like it because it doesn't fill my screen. I think my second post made it clear that I try to tell people that they actually get more picture, better quality picture, and see the movie the way the director wanted it but that they don't want it. Yes, Maxpower, you're right, people will complain about it as they did before, as they still do now, and the more and more regular joes that don't care about "art" and care only about the money they're spending buy hd players the more complaining there will be until they decide to release in dual formats like they have with DVD - a "full screen" and "widescreen" if it is in a 2. whatever or more originally. steeb, I think we got off on the wrong foot, As I stated before, OAR doesn't bother me but if the formats want to succeed DVD they'll have to do eventually what DVD did to make the average Joe or Jill happy. By saying that I prefer for it to fill my screen I'm only saying that when they decide to do this, that will probably be the one I buy because I did buy a 61" tv for a reason, and it will keep the wife happy. But if it's only released in a "widescreen" format then I'll buy it and enjoy it just the same. My preferences don't influence my sales to consumers, their wants influence my sales, if they don't get what they want then stores and movie makers don't make the money they could have.

[phranctoast]

I really wish these fullscreen/widescreen..black bars topics would not even be replied to. They are so stupid and it brings out the worst in everyone here arguing about their own specific preferences. how to steer this away...

George W sucks... yeah... that should do it!

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by phranctoast

I really wish these fullscreen/widescreen..black bars topics would not even be replied to. They are so stupid and it brings out the worst in everyone here arguing about their own specific preferences. how to steer this away...

George W sucks... yeah... that should do it!

Yeah, him, Cheney and Rummy should be impeached!

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by phranctoast

I really wish these fullscreen/widescreen..black bars topics would not even be replied to. They are so stupid and it brings out the worst in everyone here arguing about their own specific preferences. how to steer this away...

George W sucks... yeah... that should do it!

Pretty much sums it up.

I agree that both sides must try to calm down for at least a minute.

[Canada]

Black bars have Nothingto do with picure quality.

[Steeb]

I'm resurrecting this older thread rather than starting a new one. There's a new article on highdefdigest that explains (with plenty of pictures) the whole "black bar" issue pretty well, imo. The article can be found here.

It's a pretty good guide for the noobs and I would recommend adding it to the sticky...

[Deciazulado]

You gotta be kidding