Blu-ray/DVD, standard HDD and struggling with PS3, the id/RAGE circus - Page 4 - Blu-ray Forum

Shin-Ra · 07-19-2009, 05:30 PM

The latest from Game Informer

3 DVD's.

I wonder if Microsoft's giving id and Square-Enix a nice discount now.

Toxa · 07-19-2009, 05:53 PM

too small for my eyes

AranhaHunter · 07-19-2009, 05:53 PM

I don't know about Rage because it's a FPS game and those always sell well on 360, but I'm pretty confident (and this is a personal assumption here) they either removed or discounted the loyalty fee per disc for SE games (SO4, FFXIII). Again just an educated guess.

Sylin · 07-19-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

The latest from Game Informer

2 DVD > 3 DVD.

I wonder if Microsoft's giving id and Square-Enix a nice discount now.

Just another reason why MS needs to release a 360 with a Blu-ray drive.

X400 · 07-19-2009, 06:24 PM

this games never coming out.... how many years has it been...??

they should just get it ready for the ps3 and release it and keep working on the PC/Xbox version

Shin-Ra · 07-19-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sylin

Just another reason why MS needs to release a 360 with a Blu-ray drive.

And start from 0 install base nearly four years into the generation? Fat chance of that.

heathward · 07-20-2009, 03:34 PM

so based on that small tidbit, i can assume Doom 4 is my coming to my beloved PS3? tehehehe i just peed a little...

alphapyro · 07-20-2009, 04:23 PM

Would like to motion for developers to ignore the xbox plzkthx and make PS3/PC version as best as possible

xbox can lick it, xbox users can get it on their pc.

PH3AR · 07-20-2009, 04:31 PM

This game sounds like it will be the best looking game out there, and hopefully they just deiciede to cut the 360 from it cause 3 DVDs is way to much work compared to one blu disc!

Sylin · 07-20-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by alphapyro

xbox can lick it, xbox users can get it on their pc.

This is the type of ignorant, inane babble that has no place on these forums.

The Xbox 360 is a great console. It has its pros and cons, just like the PS3 does. If you don't like it, fine--don't like it. But please, don't be juvenile about it.

As Blu-ray fans, we should want to see Blu-ray proliferate in all types of devices. I don't see anyone picketing Toshiba for releasing a Blu-ray player.

Blu-Generation · 07-20-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sylin

As Blu-ray fans, we should want to see Blu-ray proliferate in all types of devices. I don't see anyone picketing Toshiba for releasing a Blu-ray player.

Blu-ray fans and PS3/Blu-ray fans think differ.

Hard to stand in the same circle.

School · 07-20-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

Changing disks in a FPS? Crazy stuff.

Im Sorry But Im A Huge PS3 Fan But Id Rather Change Discs Then Have To Bear The Loading Of Call Of Juarez Every 5 Seconds

alphapyro · 07-20-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sylin

This is the type of ignorant, inane babble that has no place on these forums.

The Xbox 360 is a great console. It has its pros and cons, just like the PS3 does. If you don't like it, fine--don't like it. But please, don't be juvenile about it.

As Blu-ray fans, we should want to see Blu-ray proliferate in all types of devices. I don't see anyone picketing Toshiba for releasing a Blu-ray player.

I'm really sorry I hurt your feelings. I'll give you a hug if you want.

xbox can still lick it though. It's ruining a game that could be better if xbox didn't exist. I'm sure it's a great console for what it does I didn't argue that. I don't like that it's taking away time better spent on the PS3/PC. You did read the thread rather than get offended by my post, right?

EDIT: I'd like to say that it may/may not be ruining the game since I don't know for sure, but from the last page of posts or so that was my developing opinion that it is an obvious hurdle impeding on development in any scope.

Ignorant, inane babble? Clearly you have a lot of emotion invested in your xbox. Get over it.

Shin-Ra · 07-20-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by School

Im Sorry But Im A Huge PS3 Fan But Id Rather Change Discs Then Have To Bear The Loading Of Call Of Juarez Every 5 Seconds

Im Not Sure I Understand What You're Saying.

Rike255 · 07-20-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by School

Im Sorry But Im A Huge PS3 Fan But Id Rather Change Discs Then Have To Bear The Loading Of Call Of Juarez Every 5 Seconds

Something Doesn't Seem Right With This Post But I Can't Quite Put My Finger On It.

I'm just playing School, and ya switching discs doesn't really bother me that much either. I'd prefer not to, but in the end it's only 10 seconds.

D1-2005 · 07-20-2009, 10:40 PM

I don't mind switching disc either, reminds me of the good ol' Final Fantasy days. It was an achievement in itself every time I got to the change disc screen.

Simez · 07-20-2009, 10:46 PM

Forget His Feelings, XbOx 36O is Ruining This Game! Didn"t They Cut The Content To The Game Only Having 2 Wasteland Because oF XbOx"s DvD9 (7.5)?/?

Lol he's a "Specia"l Member.

Shin-Ra · 07-20-2009, 10:54 PM

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However, the last disc is so packed with end-game cinemas that there isn't enough room for the universe worth of content. That means if you want to go back to a planet from the beginning of the game to complete a side quest, grab an item for synthesis, or look for bonus bosses and dungeons, you'll be prompted to insert one of the previous discs.

Guess the recentish 3-DVD game!

Swapping DVD's isn't so bad when it's at two or three preset points (maybe after major transitions) during a lengthy game but returning to an earlier location and coming back causing two DVD swaps is unforgivable.

The other danger is large open-world games becoming not so free and open-world, blocking off places you should be able to return to, working round technical limitations resulting in a less obviously inferior product.

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There is no original Japanese voice track included. Again, these aren't game killing oversights, but they're still oversights.

It's truly a shame that the Japanese voice work didn't make it into the US release. The lip synching in cutscenes is painfully bad with English dialogue and the voice work itself is not good. Some of the characters are just plain annoying to listen to.

This shouldn't be such a problem for RAGE but you can see how capacity is even more of an issue with certain types of game where fans expect the original voiceover.

Sylin · 07-20-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by alphapyro

EDIT: I'd like to say that it may/may not be ruining the game since I don't know for sure, but from the last page of posts or so that was my developing opinion that it is an obvious hurdle impeding on development in any scope.

It's obvious from Carmack's most recent quote (as posted by Shin-Ra) that media isn't impacting development at all. It's impacting distribution, which is a totally different animal.

id is not the type of company that will bring their games universally down to the LCD just for consistency across different platforms. They've already promised a superior experience on PS3, while properly demonstrating that the Xbox 360 version will suffer as a direct result of its optical drive limitation. Hence my earlier comment, that if the Xbox 360 had a Blu-ray drive, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

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Originally Posted by alphapyro

xbox can still lick it though.

...yeah.

GLaDOS · 07-20-2009, 11:27 PM

Interesting. Shin-Ra, you said that the Source engine can pretty much perform well on the PlayStation 3 as it did on the Xbox 360 and PC. I was just wondering that can an outdated engine like Source can push to its limits, just like the Unreal Engines did with the other games?

I know this is a bit off-topic, but I'm just curious.

Anyways, surprised to see that the engine can't perform well on the 360 and PC.

07-19-2009, 05:30 PM	#61
Shin-Ra Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Feb 2007 Blu-ray collection:5 Trading Score:1	The latest from Game Informer 3 DVD's. I wonder if Microsoft's giving id and Square-Enix a nice discount now. Last edited by Shin-Ra; 07-21-2009 at 04:45 AM.

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07-19-2009, 05:53 PM	#62
Toxa Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Opera Garnier Home Theater Gallery:110 Blu-ray collection:311 Blu-ray reviews:1	too small for my eyes

07-19-2009, 05:53 PM	#63
AranhaHunter Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Trading Score:1	I don't know about Rage because it's a FPS game and those always sell well on 360, but I'm pretty confident (and this is a personal assumption here) they either removed or discounted the loyalty fee per disc for SE games (SO4, FFXIII). Again just an educated guess.

07-19-2009, 06:24 PM	#65
X400 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Kent Blu-ray collection:328 Blu-ray reviews:41 Trading Score:23	this games never coming out.... how many years has it been...?? they should just get it ready for the ps3 and release it and keep working on the PC/Xbox version

07-20-2009, 03:34 PM	#67
heathward Expert Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:Milwaukee, WI, USA PSNetwork ID: heathward Dogfish Head 120 Minute IPA Blu-ray collection:47	so based on that small tidbit, i can assume Doom 4 is my coming to my beloved PS3? tehehehe i just peed a little...

07-20-2009, 04:23 PM	#68
alphapyro Special Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Kansas Home Theater Gallery:4 Blu-ray collection:14	Would like to motion for developers to ignore the xbox plzkthx and make PS3/PC version as best as possible xbox can lick it, xbox users can get it on their pc.

07-20-2009, 04:31 PM	#69
PH3AR Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jan 2009 Location:Dover, Pennsylvania PSN:WORKINtheCORNER Home Theater Gallery:9 Blu-ray collection:325 Blu-ray reviews:2	This game sounds like it will be the best looking game out there, and hopefully they just deiciede to cut the 360 from it cause 3 DVDs is way to much work compared to one blu disc!

07-20-2009, 10:40 PM	#76
D1-2005 Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Kansas City Home Theater Gallery:12 4K collection:20 Blu-ray collection:298	I don't mind switching disc either, reminds me of the good ol' Final Fantasy days. It was an achievement in itself every time I got to the change disc screen.

07-20-2009, 10:46 PM	#77
Simez Active Member Member since:Apr 2009 Location:London Blu-ray reviews:1	Forget His Feelings, XbOx 36O is Ruining This Game! Didn"t They Cut The Content To The Game Only Having 2 Wasteland Because oF XbOx"s DvD9 (7.5)?/? Lol he's a "Specia"l Member.

07-20-2009, 11:27 PM	#80
GLaDOS Blu-ray Count Top contributor Member since:May 2009 Location:Fujiwara Tofu Shop 4K collection:10 Blu-ray collection:114 Blu-ray reviews: 5	Interesting. Shin-Ra, you said that the Source engine can pretty much perform well on the PlayStation 3 as it did on the Xbox 360 and PC. I was just wondering that can an outdated engine like Source can push to its limits, just like the Unreal Engines did with the other games? I know this is a bit off-topic, but I'm just curious. Anyways, surprised to see that the engine can't perform well on the 360 and PC.

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