Rob Enderle article: "Why Blu-ray should never have existed"

[Mr. Joshua]

Reply I got back from Enderle - do you notice he still talks nothing but unsubstantiated crap in his e-mails too?


Quote:
Problem was, as we later found out, the technology was simply too untested and too expensive. The HD camp spent a lot of effort making a technology that would slipstream (interesting that Disney actually helped with most of it and then switched, I understand the back story on that may make for interesting reading when it comes out). This blog is for a technical audience to prevent another mistake like this in the future, and as a reminder to me to not make the mistake again (I argued that Blu-Ray was certain to win at the start). ITBusiness Edge pays me to write here, not Toshiba and the constant libel gets very old after awhile. The PC side of Toshiba US was a client at one time, not the media division. My advice to the PC companies has been consistently to support both and let the customer choose HP and Gateway follow that advice most others don’t.



I think I clearly said Blu-Ray was superior, it was also too expensive and can’t ramp to volume in time and will likely become one of the biggest white elephants of all time. It’s quite latterly bleeding Sony dry and the studios are not happy at all with total HD volume as a result. It’s only a spoiler now and I’d like to avoid similar mistakes in the future. Can it be forced to win, certainly, with enough money anything is possible but it has cost several Sony execs their jobs already and speculation is it will take their CEO out by the end of the year.



So I stand by what I said, and look forward to the day that discussions like this can happen without the need for personal attacks.



Rob Enderle
Principal Analyst
Enderle Group




I respond


Quote:
I chat with the HD Media team at Warner quite a bit and they seem very happy with Blu-ray providing 70% of their HD discs sales and look forward to taking their interactivity even further.

Disney helped develop HDi, that is hardly when speaking about the technology “most of it”

You are right, studios are not happy with the overall volume, nor will anyone when two technologies go at it fighting for acceptance. I see two major studios supporting HD DVD exclusively, three major studios supporting Blu-ray exclusively and one neutral. It seems to me that Blu-ray is not only the consumers choice based on units sold, but also the electronics manufacturers choice and Hollywood’s choice.

Can’t ramp to volume? Which HD DVD has sold the most discs? “300” and it hasn’t even moved 100,000 units yet! “300” on Blu-ray moved 165,000 in its first week.

Casino Royale on a BD50 disc has sold over 100,000 in North America AND has 500,000 copies given away to initial registrars in Europe to the PS3 Home network.

This comment is baffling and that you make it with no supporting facts or figures is pretty typical of your editorials and blogs.

If you want discussions without personal attacks then you should seriously try looking at facts when your write your articles instead of hearsay. The second link in your article goes to a site maintained by “rdjam” from AVSForum who is one of the biggest fanboys on the site and certainly not a credible source.

The sharply declining number of people supporting Blu-ray has certainly not dropped since the Paramount announcement. In the first full week of sales since the announcement Blu-ray had 68% of the disc sales. http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...hp?startpage=4

The only people that approve of your articles write comments like “I hope Sony dies” et cetera. That speaks volumes.

I have yet to read an eloquent, factual and well though out piece by you on the format war or on either format and I rarely read factual information in your pieces like manufacturing costs of Blu-ray, yields from any of the 8 factories now with Blu-ray 50GB lines, etc.

If you don’t want personal attacks, try backing up your writings with real facts because otherwise it will just be another long article in a series of statements on Blu-ray by yourself that can only be considered propaganda.



After all this was said, Ron Simmons walks into Enderle's office, looks at him for about 20 seconds, pulls his cigar out of his mouth and says, "DAMN!!!"

[Footloose301]

Originally Posted by Aygie

and another one as Bill Gates saying "cheques in the mail" ahahahahahaa come on, who was it?

Still ROFLMFAO

[JTK]

I said it in another thread and I'll say it again here:

This painfully obvious increase in propoganda from the HD-DVD group, especially this tool Enderle, really makes me start wondering what's coming around the corner for them to be putting up this much of a propoganda blanket now?

[dtrush]

I almost drowned in all of the FUD. Pathetic!

[Rup_Muk]

Originally Posted by Mericalis

Hey, I know I shouldn't say this, but you guys who are posting on here about this thread might put some of it on the blog site.

I did - and copied my comments to the Rant thread:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...968#post198968

Rup.

[95pgtproject]

I couldnt read the whole article I noticed my IQ was dropping. Someone hurry up and give this guy some smelling salts to wake his ass up.

[marzetta7]

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/HH/0114868/mary.jpg

^^^I think that is Rob to the right. Yeah, I'm sure of it,...it pretty much sums up the article and his FUD up quite nicely.

Franks 'n' Beans!

[gvortex7]

Originally Posted by 95pgtproject

I couldnt read the whole article I noticed my IQ was dropping. Someone hurry up and give this guy some smelling salts to wake his ass up.

He's too comatose to wake up. I think he's beyond help at this point. Don't feed the "FUD MACHINE" by actually responding to what he says.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by wsciv123

Reply I got back from Enderle - do you notice he still talks nothing but unsubstantiated crap in his e-mails too?


Quote:
Problem was, as we later found out, the technology was simply too untested and too expensive. The HD camp spent a lot of effort making a technology that would slipstream (interesting that Disney actually helped with most of it and then switched, I understand the back story on that may make for interesting reading when it comes out). This blog is for a technical audience to prevent another mistake like this in the future, and as a reminder to me to not make the mistake again (I argued that Blu-Ray was certain to win at the start). ITBusiness Edge pays me to write here, not Toshiba and the constant libel gets very old after awhile. The PC side of Toshiba US was a client at one time, not the media division. My advice to the PC companies has been consistently to support both and let the customer choose HP and Gateway follow that advice most others don’t.



I think I clearly said Blu-Ray was superior, it was also too expensive and can’t ramp to volume in time and will likely become one of the biggest white elephants of all time. It’s quite latterly bleeding Sony dry and the studios are not happy at all with total HD volume as a result. It’s only a spoiler now and I’d like to avoid similar mistakes in the future. Can it be forced to win, certainly, with enough money anything is possible but it has cost several Sony execs their jobs already and speculation is it will take their CEO out by the end of the year.



So I stand by what I said, and look forward to the day that discussions like this can happen without the need for personal attacks.



Rob Enderle
Principal Analyst
Enderle Group




I respond


Quote:
I chat with the HD Media team at Warner quite a bit and they seem very happy with Blu-ray providing 70% of their HD discs sales and look forward to taking their interactivity even further.

Disney helped develop HDi, that is hardly when speaking about the technology “most of it”

You are right, studios are not happy with the overall volume, nor will anyone when two technologies go at it fighting for acceptance. I see two major studios supporting HD DVD exclusively, three major studios supporting Blu-ray exclusively and one neutral. It seems to me that Blu-ray is not only the consumers choice based on units sold, but also the electronics manufacturers choice and Hollywood’s choice.

Can’t ramp to volume? Which HD DVD has sold the most discs? “300” and it hasn’t even moved 100,000 units yet! “300” on Blu-ray moved 165,000 in its first week.

Casino Royale on a BD50 disc has sold over 100,000 in North America AND has 500,000 copies given away to initial registrars in Europe to the PS3 Home network.

This comment is baffling and that you make it with no supporting facts or figures is pretty typical of your editorials and blogs.

If you want discussions without personal attacks then you should seriously try looking at facts when your write your articles instead of hearsay. The second link in your article goes to a site maintained by “rdjam” from AVSForum who is one of the biggest fanboys on the site and certainly not a credible source.

The sharply declining number of people supporting Blu-ray has certainly not dropped since the Paramount announcement. In the first full week of sales since the announcement Blu-ray had 68% of the disc sales. http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...hp?startpage=4

The only people that approve of your articles write comments like “I hope Sony dies” et cetera. That speaks volumes.

I have yet to read an eloquent, factual and well though out piece by you on the format war or on either format and I rarely read factual information in your pieces like manufacturing costs of Blu-ray, yields from any of the 8 factories now with Blu-ray 50GB lines, etc.

If you don’t want personal attacks, try backing up your writings with real facts because otherwise it will just be another long article in a series of statements on Blu-ray by yourself that can only be considered propaganda.



After all this was said, Ron Simmons walks into Enderle's office, looks at him for about 20 seconds, pulls his cigar out of his mouth and says, "DAMN!!!"

we do what we want and when we want and there ain't no one here who can stop us...APA...GOD that was the coolest Tag team in the WWE.

[treyw00]

that idiot wrote me back too. douche

"This was written for a technical audience and the premise was why the format was a failure on day one for the reasons I listed, HD-DVD could ramp to volume this year, Blu-Ray probably not until 2008/9 and by then it may be too late for the studios. The point was to avoid any future mistakes like this."



Rob Enderle
Principal Analyst
Enderle Group

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by treyw00

that idiot wrote me back too. douche

"This was written for a technical audience and the premise was why the format was a failure on day one for the reasons I listed, HD-DVD could ramp to volume this year, Blu-Ray probably not until 2008/9 and by then it may be too late for the studios. The point was to avoid any future mistakes like this."



Rob Enderle
Principal Analyst
Enderle Group

respond to his statement and ask if HD DVD is such a Viable format AND Blu-Ray is not why is that the HD DVD format not being used for the following:

1)SOFTWARE...
2) video recordeing

both of which Blu-Ray is already being used for and in the case of recordeing has been used since 2003 in Asia and japan.

where is HD DVD's recorder's or SOFTWARE being put on as you would say makes HD DVD a viable format and not Blu-Ray.

here send him this:

The nine steering committee members backing the Blu-ray Disc are
Hitachi, LG Electronics, Matsushita Electric Industrial, Pioneer,
Royal Philips Electronics, Samsung Electronics, Sharp, Sony and
Thomson Multimedia. Aside from Warner Bros., the other committee
members are IBM, Intel, Taiwan's Industrial Technology Research
Institute (ITRI), JVC, Mitsubishi, NEC and Toshiba.

http://lists.mpegif.org/pipermail/ne...ch/000063.html

tell him even in 2003 Toshiba backed blu-ray why the change..pure and simple IHD. that is the reason were in this mess...IHD and the BDA has already made the choice to use JAVA. but Microsoft would not have any of that.

[Digital Filmmaker]

Mr. Enderle should only write when he is sober.

This is one of the most embarrasing and woefully biased articles I have ever read. Obviously, he works as a "consultant" because he could not hold a real job.

[gvortex7]

See, this is why I say don't respond to his BS statements. It's not worth getting upset over.

[ESUNintel]

...That guy should have never existed, lol I know that sounds mean, but really who needs idiots like that

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by treyw00

"This was written for a technical audience and the premise was why the format was a failure on day one for the reasons I listed, HD-DVD could ramp to volume this year, Blu-Ray probably not until 2008/9 and by then it may be too late for the studios. The point was to avoid any future mistakes like this."



Rob Enderle
Principal Analyst
Enderle Group

Hey Enderle, know any jokes?

[DrinkMore]

I felt so dirty after I read the first few paragraphs that I bathed myself in Purell hand sanatizer just to be safe!

What a complete idiot. Did he do that just for attention?? Some people should NOT be allowed to post their thoughts publicly.

[Lord_Stewie]

this is the same idiot at one time claimed that BD wins, and then changed it into HDDVD wins. check out the link....

http://news.digitaltrends.com/talkback158.html

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by Teazle

Hey Enderle, know any jokes?

I don't think he is a stand up comedian, you know. if he is, then he really sucks at being a comedian.

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by Strannix136

Where do these "experts" come from?

[w_tanoto]

silly post! WOW, I did not know if HD DVD is actually a cut-down version of BD.
BTW, who the heck is this guy?
"It can't stand on is own": really? How 'bout HD DVD? They know that they are failing, so grab paramount