Torchwood: Miracle Day - Page 4 - Blu-ray Forum

Snowmaker · 07-12-2011, 02:21 AM

Just watched the first episode and liked it. Never having seen an episode of Torchwood before, I'm guessing it was like a British X-Files, but with an immortal?

detective392 · 07-12-2011, 02:25 AM

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Well considering I don't read interviews nor do I take them as proof of anything so until they show something in universe that is all I have to go by. I don't follow the other fiction so unless they mention something in a magazine, radio or whatever else they have I will continue to assume that it is the way it is because anything said out side of the universe especially in interviews I can't give much weight to. Has he been entirely straight in the past or does he have a history of misleading people? That would also have to be a factor.

Considering it came from RTD himself I would count it as fact and he does have a history of adding things that make fans talk but he never means for them to be taken as a new Whoniverse rule like giving the Doctor 500 something regenerations. He did that as a joke to get fans talking and didn't do it to change the 13 regeneration rule. Normally I agree about interviews but when it comes from the showrunner himself you can pretty much count it as fact.

Plus it wasn't confirmed in the show that he was

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phatrat1982 · 07-12-2011, 02:47 AM

that makes sense I guess.

Sadly I don't have on demand either.

HDMe · 07-12-2011, 05:32 AM

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While I don't disagree - I like the idea of Torchwood being on pay cable - so they don't feel compelled to hold back anything for "broadcast considerations". HBO certainly doesn't do "leftovers", and Showtime excised Sci-fi a long time ago (to the detriment of Dead Like Me and Odyssey 5). That leaves Starz.

It would be great if they succeeded enough with Torchwood to do more adult sci-fi.

I almost said this the other day... so this is a good post to reply to...

After watching Torchwood on Starz... I was actually struck by how not-Adult-oriented it was.

Seriously.

Series 3 was toned down a bit to appeal to a wider audience... but Series 1-2 had a LOT of cursing and some raucus sex scenes (not like Cinemax after dark, but more than your typical network show)...

So... given that.. I honestly can't recall a single curse word even from Friday night's episode.

Not a complaint... just an observation.

detective392 · 07-12-2011, 06:10 AM

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I almost said this the other day... so this is a good post to reply to...

After watching Torchwood on Starz... I was actually struck by how not-Adult-oriented it was.

Seriously.

Series 3 was toned down a bit to appeal to a wider audience... but Series 1-2 had a LOT of cursing and some raucus sex scenes (not like Cinemax after dark, but more than your typical network show)...

So... given that.. I honestly can't recall a single curse word even from Friday night's episode.

Not a complaint... just an observation.

Yeah I only remember the word s*** at the end of the episode by Rex. It does get more adult as we go on though as Jack has

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so that calls for the Starz and cable brand I'm sure.

Walts Ghost · 07-12-2011, 06:41 AM

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Yeah I only remember the word s*** at the end of the episode by Rex. It does get more adult as we go on though as Jack has

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so that calls for the Starz and cable brand I'm sure.

I'm sure we'll find out soon enough how true those statements really are. Barrowman has been known to blow things out or proportion before.

detective392 · 07-12-2011, 06:42 AM

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I'm sure we'll find out soon enough how true those statements really are. Barrowman has been known to blow things out or proportion before.

Yeah it will be interesting to see what he considers

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SpaceDog · 07-12-2011, 03:10 PM

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Considering it came from RTD himself I would count it as fact and he does have a history of adding things that make fans talk but he never means for them to be taken as a new Whoniverse rule like giving the Doctor 500 something regenerations. He did that as a joke to get fans talking and didn't do it to change the 13 regeneration rule. Normally I agree about interviews but when it comes from the showrunner himself you can pretty much count it as fact.

Plus it wasn't confirmed in the show that he was

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I've heard discussion that even the 13 regeneration thing is not hard and fast per a quote in the same episode establishing it to the effect that 13 was the rule, but the Doctor had already regenerated 17 times or something to that effect...

SpaceDog · 07-12-2011, 03:12 PM

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Yeah it will be interesting to see what he considers

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I hope to hell it means they've miracled Ianto back. (I know, lost cause).

I think it's good to be on pay cable because it gives the opportunity to be more adult. However, like with the initial episode, I don't think they should AIM to be adult just because they can. The freedom to do a thing is also the freedom not to do a thing.

Walts Ghost · 07-12-2011, 06:11 PM

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I've heard discussion that even the 13 regeneration thing is not hard and fast per a quote in the same episode establishing it to the effect that 13 was the rule, but the Doctor had already regenerated 17 times or something to that effect...

Uh, this Doctor is most definitely the Eleventh. All the Doctor's we've had are as many as there have been. No more, no less. The thirteen regenerations is the rule...For now. If the show keeps making money, I'm sure BBC will ask them to find a way around it. That said, I don't want them to, because I'd like to the show to find an actual ending. The Doctor deserves closure, I feel. And if that means him dying to save the universe one last time, then so be it. But I feel that the Doctor deserves that in the end. To finally find true peace.

SpaceDog · 07-12-2011, 08:43 PM

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Uh, this Doctor is most definitely the Eleventh. All the Doctor's we've had are as many as there have been. No more, no less. The thirteen regenerations is the rule...For now. If the show keeps making money, I'm sure BBC will ask them to find a way around it. That said, I don't want them to, because I'd like to the show to find an actual ending. The Doctor deserves closure, I feel. And if that means him dying to save the universe one last time, then so be it. But I feel that the Doctor deserves that in the end. To finally find true peace.

I'm not doubting the storyline presenting 11 Doctors to date, but I had read somewhere (possibly here) that the first reference to 12 regenerations or 13 lives included a throwaway line from the Doctor that he'd regenerated 17 times (or some such) thus far.

Apart from that, I'm sure that this year's storyline could open the door to a reset button. The 13 rule makes me all the more put off that Eccleston only spent a year with the role (and that Fox wasted one on a TV movie pilot that never went to series).

If BBC follows through with 13 and brings Doctor Who to an end, I imagine they will reboot entirely one day.

detective392 · 07-12-2011, 09:24 PM

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Uh, this Doctor is most definitely the Eleventh. All the Doctor's we've had are as many as there have been. No more, no less. The thirteen regenerations is the rule...For now. If the show keeps making money, I'm sure BBC will ask them to find a way around it. That said, I don't want them to, because I'd like to the show to find an actual ending. The Doctor deserves closure, I feel. And if that means him dying to save the universe one last time, then so be it. But I feel that the Doctor deserves that in the end. To finally find true peace.

I also see them finding a way around the 13 regeneration rule somehow. Hopefully they have a good writer when that day comes and a good explanation to boot. I would also like to see the Doctor get closure one day.

Walts Ghost · 07-12-2011, 09:59 PM

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I'm not doubting the storyline presenting 11 Doctors to date, but I had read somewhere (possibly here) that the first reference to 12 regenerations or 13 lives included a throwaway line from the Doctor that he'd regenerated 17 times (or some such) thus far.

Apart from that, I'm sure that this year's storyline could open the door to a reset button. The 13 rule makes me all the more put off that Eccleston only spent a year with the role (and that Fox wasted one on a TV movie pilot that never went to series).

If BBC follows through with 13 and brings Doctor Who to an end, I imagine they will reboot entirely one day.

I don't count Fox's movie a failed attempt at all considering McGann is still the Doctor to this day.

I mean, all those audio plays and stuff are "canon", or at least slightly. The Eccelstone one has always bothered me because I felt like they should have gotten someone who wanted to be there longer. But what's done is done.

I'm sure we'd see a reboot if they ever reached the 13 regeneration limit. But like I said, I'd honestly like to see the Doctor get closure one day. His character deserves it.

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I also see them finding a way around the 13 regeneration rule somehow. Hopefully they have a good writer when that day comes and a good explanation to boot. I would also like to see the Doctor get closure one day.

Yeah, I guess we'll have to see what happens. I don't see BBC letting it end any time soon since it's one of their major flagship shows.

Sorry to derail the thread, guys.

detective392 · 07-12-2011, 10:03 PM

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I don't count Fox's movie a failed attempt at all considering McGann is still the Doctor to this day.

I mean, all those audio plays and stuff are "canon", or at least slightly. The Eccelstone one has always bothered me because I felt like they should have gotten someone who wanted to be there longer. But what's done is done.

I'm sure we'd see a reboot if they ever reached the 13 regeneration limit. But like I said, I'd honestly like to see the Doctor get closure one day. His character deserves it.

Yeah, I guess we'll have to see what happens. I don't see BBC letting it end any time soon since it's one of their major flagship shows.

Sorry to derail the thread, guys.

Yeah I McGann is still the Doctor and while he didn't get a series or anything he still does all his audio plays and other things which is great and would have made a good Doctor. I also agree about getting someone to have played the 9th Doctor longer but with the 9th only getting one series we got David for the 10th which is a huge plus in my book.

I also don't see the BBC letting go of the Who brand any day soon even when we get to the 13th regeneration. I don't think we've ever been able to have a Torchwood or Sarah Jane thread without getting into some DW talk before

Walts Ghost · 07-12-2011, 10:08 PM

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Yeah I McGann is still the Doctor and while he didn't get a series or anything he still does all his audio plays and other things which is great and would have made a good Doctor. I also agree about getting someone to have played the 9th Doctor longer but with the 9th only getting one series we got David for the 10th which is a huge plus in my book.

I also don't see the BBC letting go of the Who brand any day soon even when we get to the 13th regeneration. I don't think we've ever been able to have a Torchwood or Sarah Jane thread without getting into some DW talk before

We'll definitely never be able to not bring up Doctor Who if we're in a spin-off thread.

But I agree with all the points you made, and I really hope we see McGann come back for the 50th anniversary.

detective392 · 07-12-2011, 10:12 PM

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We'll definitely never be able to not bring up Doctor Who if we're in a spin-off thread.

But I agree with all the points you made, and I really hope we see McGann come back for the 50th anniversary.

The shows/universe's are just so connected it's really hard not to. With McGann only doing the US movie his popularity as the Doctor is pretty impressive as I see him highly voted for when it comes to favorite Doctors and I also really hope he comes back for the 50th anniversary.

SpaceDog · 07-12-2011, 10:30 PM

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I also agree about getting someone to have played the 9th Doctor longer but with the 9th only getting one series we got David for the 10th which is a huge plus in my book.

This is the part that makes it bearable for me. I honestly thought I was going to have a hard time letting go of #9, but David Tennant was soooooo good. My ease of transitioning to David has made it all the more puzzling that I'm still having a hard time getting used to Matt Smith.

More power to David Tennant and wish him the best in his future endeavors, but I'd have been happy had he been "the Doctor" ad infinitum.

Walts Ghost · 07-12-2011, 10:34 PM

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This is the part that makes it bearable for me. I honestly thought I was going to have a hard time letting go of #9, but David Tennant was soooooo good. My ease of transitioning to David has made it all the more puzzling that I'm still having a hard time getting used to Matt Smith.

More power to David Tennant and wish him the best in his future endeavors, but I'd have been happy had he been "the Doctor" ad infinitum.

I think we all would have, Space Dog.

That said, I love the hell out of Matt Smith as well and really dig his insane mad scientist-like vibe he gives off. Not to mention I think he's had the strongest season and a half so far on the series.

detective392 · 07-12-2011, 10:35 PM

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This is the part that makes it bearable for me. I honestly thought I was going to have a hard time letting go of #9, but David Tennant was soooooo good. My ease of transitioning to David has made it all the more puzzling that I'm still having a hard time getting used to Matt Smith.

More power to David Tennant and wish him the best in his future endeavors, but I'd have been happy had he been "the Doctor" ad infinitum.

David Tennant is my 2nd favorite Doctor as I really like Matt Smith as the Doctor and didn't have any trouble transitioning to him. It was hard to see David go as he was my first Doctor and will always be my first Doctor so he has that over Smith but I enjoy Matt's acting and the way his Doctor does things. Both are different to me though but Smith beats him out just a little for me but can never replace that feeling I have of watching David/DW for the first time and getting introduced to the Whoniverse.

Also enjoyed David in Single Father and hope that he does take over the Fright Night franchise if the first is a success.

HDMe · 07-13-2011, 03:49 AM

If the show is popular, there's no way they would let the "13" limit stand in the way of continuing. Fact of the matter is, they need look no further than various Master resurrections to see ways around the "limit"... and it's not clear why there is a limit anyway.

The limit could, for example, have been enforced by the High Council to keep Time Lords from thinking they were immortal and going nuts... The Master was offered more regenerations in exchange for helping... so clearly they had the power to grant them, why not take them away or restrict them?

That being a possibility... it is entirely possible that the Doctor is now effectively immortal with no one left to enforce such a limit anymore. He might not know it, though.

Truly the only reason "13" was ever mentioned as a limit on the old show was likely to put a number out there... so people wouldn't start to think there was no threat to the Doctor.

Consider...

The first Doctor was like any other hero... he was an alien, but not shown to be immortal. When he regenerated upon an apparent death, he started to seem immortal... with each regeneration, it starts to be less and less of a threat to ever put the Doctor into danger.

Not only is he likely to escape... but even if he dies, he just regenerates... so you could never put the Doctor in any real jeopardy!

So... someone in the old series threw 13 out there as it seemed like a far off number at the time and no one imagined the show running long enough that they would approach that limit. But it did make the Doctor seem fallible. He couldn't just throw his life away to save the day, because there is a limit.

In the new Who, they've amped that up a bit... adding the possibility that regeneration is a conscious rather than automatic thing... and that it is possible for the Doctor to die before a regeneration.

So... long story short... any competent writer will be able to write a way around the "limit" should the show keep being popular.

07-12-2011, 02:21 AM	#61
Snowmaker Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Michigan 4K collection:47 Blu-ray collection:634 DVD collection:228 Trading Score:14	Just watched the first episode and liked it. Never having seen an episode of Torchwood before, I'm guessing it was like a British X-Files, but with an immortal?

07-12-2011, 02:47 AM	#63
phatrat1982 Banned Member since:Jul 2009 Location:I move around too much to keep this accurate Blu-ray reviews:1	that makes sense I guess. Sadly I don't have on demand either.

07-13-2011, 03:49 AM	#80
HDMe Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jan 2010 Location:North Augusta, SC	If the show is popular, there's no way they would let the "13" limit stand in the way of continuing. Fact of the matter is, they need look no further than various Master resurrections to see ways around the "limit"... and it's not clear why there is a limit anyway. The limit could, for example, have been enforced by the High Council to keep Time Lords from thinking they were immortal and going nuts... The Master was offered more regenerations in exchange for helping... so clearly they had the power to grant them, why not take them away or restrict them? That being a possibility... it is entirely possible that the Doctor is now effectively immortal with no one left to enforce such a limit anymore. He might not know it, though. Truly the only reason "13" was ever mentioned as a limit on the old show was likely to put a number out there... so people wouldn't start to think there was no threat to the Doctor. Consider... The first Doctor was like any other hero... he was an alien, but not shown to be immortal. When he regenerated upon an apparent death, he started to seem immortal... with each regeneration, it starts to be less and less of a threat to ever put the Doctor into danger. Not only is he likely to escape... but even if he dies, he just regenerates... so you could never put the Doctor in any real jeopardy! So... someone in the old series threw 13 out there as it seemed like a far off number at the time and no one imagined the show running long enough that they would approach that limit. But it did make the Doctor seem fallible. He couldn't just throw his life away to save the day, because there is a limit. In the new Who, they've amped that up a bit... adding the possibility that regeneration is a conscious rather than automatic thing... and that it is possible for the Doctor to die before a regeneration. So... long story short... any competent writer will be able to write a way around the "limit" should the show keep being popular.

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