General PS4 BD-A/V Playback Issues Thread

[42041]

It probably wasn't quite ready. Unlike the PS3, blu-ray isn't a vital part of Sony's market strategy with the PS4.

[sinister184]

Originally Posted by storythecorgi

Yes. Blu-rays have issues with audio and video syncing up properly while playing on my PS4, but DVDs work just fine.

Your getting a video processing lag somewhere. For sh!ts and giggles go to the PS4 video setting and change the 1080p/24 off automatic and on put it on something else. I dont know what the other settings are, not in front of ps4.

[sinister184]

the patch was available day 1 (before day 1 actually) so... what difference does it make?

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by jdw89

I have absolutely no issues on my end, sounds like your HT equipment.

I mentioned this in a different thread, but I both do, and do not, have the problem.

If I start a Blu-Ray from the beginning, A/V sync up right.

If I jump to the middle via chapter/title select, I get the problem described in this thread.

That almost has to be the PS4, because none of the hardware changed.

I did notice that I could start at the beginning and fast-forward to a spot and things would be ok.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by sinister184

the patch was available day 1 (before day 1 actually) so... what difference does it make?

exactly. And people forget that the console they bought Nov 15 was not built Nov 15 and the SW on it had too be ready when it was being built many months ago.

[SlmShdy1]

In order to hit a street date target, companies sometimes rush production, which basically means, "Get the hardware built as fast as possible and we'll worry about software later. As long as we have a working interface and basic functionality, it's good enough for now." It's not just Sony. That's how most companies are, especially Motorola. It's all about demand.

[Elandyll]

Import taxes on vcr/ video playback devices...

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

Import taxes on vcr/ video playback devices...

good point

[X400]

It was obvious that this generation release was rushed as hell evidenced by the games available (lack of exclusive sequels, lack of current prominent titles available on next gen like GTA/Batman/etc) and the firmware support needed for blu-ray etc support

I really think the new gen of systems should have been left for next year but i think the decision was made for Sony when they knew MSFT would be releasing this year (who should have delayed their release too imo)

And I think its obvious that Sony wanted to get the PS4 out quickly and sooner than MSFT so some features were left for a FW download, because they couldnt hold units back long enough in Foxconn factories to install the FW themselves and get the units out around the world to meet the deadline

[BrownianMotion]

Let's hope they add 3D capability soon.

[Jpierro79]

Originally Posted by 42041

Actually, that's exactly what it is (or the hardware decoder equivalent).


That's not true at all.
The compressed stream is decoded according to the codec specification. The ouput is either accurate, or it isn't. Some minor variability may be incurred when the raw decoder output is converted to RGB (likely done by your TV anyway), but that's pixel-peeping stuff. Some players might do various image enhancement, but if that stuff is disabled (and it should be), there should be no difference in the (native HD) picture quality of any half-decent blu-ray player. This isn't laserdisc. Of course, that's only true for native HD content, for things like upscaling SD or deinterlacing, there's no one way to do that, different players could have much different algorithms.

Then you're doing something wrong.

Your missing the point. A lot of BLU ray players don't just decode the info but have the video processors built in. Here is where the picture quality changes. It's not always done by your tv unless you set it to do so. That is why many people don't see the differences between two different blu ray players because in both situations they let the tv do the conversion. In that case yes the signal should be the same but that has to do with the tv only not the blu ray player.

One more thing the sony ps3 could not originally play 3d it required new SOFTWARE to do so And that software can only function with that Hardware. It was not designed to play 3d originally. While the blu ray player I bought is 3d and the effect is strikingly better on the blu ray player that is designed to do so. To put the best way is like a computer video card that was originally designed to do something like graphic design vs one that is designed for video games. The 3d effect on ps3 is mediocre.
If you still believe what your saying is the only answer then your untitled to your opinion. I've been around the hi def world most my life and I've seen the differences to know when it's worth the money.

Your trying to use a projector to compare. Go to a good and I mean good flat screen with a good movie like avatar or transformers that has some great effects and video quality. Then look at the difference using your ps3 and a good player then come back and tell me the same thing you just wrote.
Go play them something like this tv and tell me what you see and hear Samsung PN64F8500AFXZA. I can write all day but seeing is believing. I used to think just like you. Not anymore.
Oh and in reviews of your oppo 103 it often states that the "level of picture and sound quality isn’t really reflected in the price."

PS3 was released 6 years ago don't you think things have changed since then??

[Far Out]

Originally Posted by ack_bak

You are overanalyzing this. Sony rushed the PS4 out to get it out in time for the key holiday shopping season. They will be adding functionality via update as they go. For example they have confirmed that MP3 support and file sharing is coming. They just did not have it ready before the consoles shipped to retailers. I bet most of these retailers had the consoles for weeks.

Sony has 10 years experience implementing blu-ray support, it's not like it was some kind of late breaking last minute feature that they just couldn't finish in time. It was already in the playstation operating system for 8 years, so someone had to go to a lot of time and effort to remove/disable it for PS4.

Originally Posted by 42041

It probably wasn't quite ready.

This seems incredibly improbable.

Originally Posted by 42041

In order to hit a street date target, companies sometimes rush production, which basically means, "Get the hardware built as fast as possible and we'll worry about software later. As long as we have a working interface and basic functionality, it's good enough for now."

Maybe, except your point seems contradicted by fact that the shipped software did include a whole bunch of other virgin experimental features like all the social stuff and twitch recording and so. If your speculation were correct, all of that stuff would have been left out, and something tried and true like blu-ray support would have been a two second cut and paste inclusion, locked and loaded back in August. That is actually how rush software works. Take your most mature, stable and low risk core that covers all the expected basics, then build on it with incremental releases of the experimental stuff. What happened was the opposite.

[tigertron]

The PS4 was in development since 2008, so no, it wasn't rushed to the market just to capitalise on Christmas.

Not really sure why they chose to implement Blu-ray playback with a patch, but as someone said above, it could be due to taxes on video playback devices.

[Icemage]

Fired up a Blu-ray on my PS4 for the first time tonight. It performs admirably on a technical level for video/audio, but the Dual Shock 4 controls aren't particularly useful for navigation (even less useful than the PS3's, which weren't all that great either). The new triggers are so sensitive that setting my DS4 controller down too hard pushed it into fast-forward mode.

Also, the light is fairly bright on the controller (in the context of watching a movie which may or may not be very dark in a darkened room for the purists among us), so you might want to keep a towel or something handy to cover the controller to prevent the light bleeding into your surroundings or possibly reflecting off of your flat panel display, depending on your viewing angle.

[lutefisk69]

Did the rush out cause them to not do PS3 Game support or did they chose just not to add that at all. That was the whole reason I got the PS3 while I was still playing PS2 games and the reason I am not getting a PS4 (GTA, Gran Turismo) until I have played out those games.

[Terjyn]

I'm hoping all of those problems will be solved via PS4 remote.

Which can't come fast enough IMO.

[Derb]

Had Blu-ray playback on Sony's PS4 ever once been presented at this years E3's press conference?

Just curious. I deleted my video of it.

[tigertron]

Originally Posted by lutefisk69

Did the rush out cause them to not do PS3 Game support or did they chose just not to add that at all. That was the whole reason I got the PS3 while I was still playing PS2 games and the reason I am not getting a PS4 (GTA, Gran Turismo) until I have played out those games.

No, they didn't rush the PS4, and backwards compatibility is down to the fact that the PS4 has much different hardware. The PS3 used the Cell processor, the PS4 in comparison, uses "off the shelf" PC parts, not exotic architecture, though it does use custom hardware.

I would say backwards compatibility is possible with Gaikai cloud gaming, but whether Sony will use it for that remains to be seen, though I hope they do.
Only launch JP and NA PS3 were fully backwards compatible, EU models had to rely on software emulation which meant that Sony had to enable PS2 BC for each game which was time consuming, and thus, PS2 BC was dropped for all future models: later phat models, the slim and super slim.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

Import taxes on vcr/ video playback devices...

Brilliant if true.

I know Honda used to ship cars to US without radio and AC because it gave them a different classification for tax and they saved more than enough to have those installed after shipping.

[PrestigeWorldwide]

Originally Posted by tigertron

BC was dropped for all future models: the slim and super slim.

PS2 BC was dropped before the slim models. I have a fat 80 gig PS3 with no PS2 BC. All PS3 models have PS1 BC. The PS4 is the first playstation console that can't play PS1 games.