Any reason not to get 4K?

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Iain-

I would wait for release of new sets that feature compliance of the recently released 4K specification. Those new sets will probably render the current non-compliant 4K sets obsolete.

If you are talking about 4K specifications the Samsung 2015 models using external one connect box already supports HDCP 2.2 on 4 ports along with more expensive models also supporting HDR. See http://www.rtings.com/ for details. Sony has some models also fully supporting 4K specifications along with HDR. Even the new Westinghouse I mentioned offers HDMI 2.0/HDCP2.2. These are at store now. Do your research is advised as always.

[detective392]

Thanks for all the replies everyone, Havn't made the plunge into 4K yet but still doing my research.

[Post Prod]

I would be skiddish about jumping into 4K at the very least until this mini-format war is settled with HDR.

I've been waiting along time to see some improvement in picture beyond resolution for quite some times, so I'm keen on seeing what solution ends up the winner. I prefer the Dolby Vision road, but the best doesn't always mean what makes business sense. If anyone has an insider update on that I'd be all ears.

I'm glad I don't have to buy a tv right now, it would be difficult to decide. I wouldn't be investing a lot right now, that's for sure.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Post Prod

I would be skiddish about jumping into 4K at the very least until this mini-format war is settled with HDR.

I've been waiting along time to see some improvement in picture beyond resolution for quite some times, so I'm keen on seeing what solution ends up the winner. I prefer the Dolby Vision road, but the best doesn't always mean what makes business sense. If anyone has an insider update on that I'd be all ears.

I'm glad I don't have to buy a tv right now, it would be difficult to decide. I wouldn't be investing a lot right now, that's for sure.

Its dependent on what you want now or the immediate future, not what they are pitching as always. At CES 2015 multiple vendors they have exhibited HDR on some 2015 displays. Example: LG uses the Wide Color LED name, Panasonic's is called Dynamic Range Remaster, Samsung uses the SUHD moniker, while Sony's is dubbed X-tended Dynamic Range. A lot of those are available now. So up to you if that fits the bill or you prefer to wait and wait and wait.

[supaflyz]

Hey guys,

I don't want to hijack this thread. I made a post on here in the LCD subsection so I don't want to make another thread. I bought a tv last year the kdl65w850a. However, I could get another tv 4k this time at a really good deal. I'm contemplating for the xbr65x850b for 1400 or xbr70x850b for 2000 or xbr65x930c for 2000. I know that the 930 is newer but the other one is 600 cheaper and the other one is 5 inches bigger. I want to know what u guys think. I really don't want to jump into 4k so early but this is a really good deal. ALso what is this HDR stuff. The 850b series don't have this?

[Post Prod]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Its dependent on what you want now or the immediate future, not what they are pitching as always. At CES 2015 multiple vendors they have exhibited HDR on some 2015 displays. Example: LG uses the Wide Color LED name, Panasonic's is called Dynamic Range Remaster, Samsung uses the SUHD moniker, while Sony's is dubbed X-tended Dynamic Range. A lot of those are available now. So up to you if that fits the bill or you prefer to wait and wait and wait.

I'm not saying waiting until the technology is fully mature even, I'm simply talking about the UHD Alliance settling on a standard so I know what displays HDR implementation I purchase, will be the one supported by future HDR content.

Netflix is considering (last I read) supporting multiple HDR formats. But I'm not buying a display until I know it's going to support them all or there's a standard on the horizon. I haven't heard a peep from manufactures about supporting dolby vision.

[kopkiwi]

Originally Posted by Iain-

I would wait for release of new sets that feature compliance of the recently released 4K specification. Those new sets will probably render the current non-compliant 4K sets obsolete.

There are already a nunmber of sets with HDCP 2.2, HDR and HDMI 2.0

[MD-Blu]

I'm considering getting a 4KUHD and would like your all's opinion about the one that I'm considering.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-...&skuId=4630013

[DGilberts]

Originally Posted by MD-Blu

I'm considering getting a 4KUHD and would like your all's opinion about the one that I'm considering.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-...&skuId=4630013

Do you really need a new TV now or can you wait until the 4K specs are ironed out? I would either look for a good plasma or wait until OLED are readily available and 4K is ready.

I've not seen or heard anything about this TV but aesthetically it looks fantastic and if it's anything like their last plasma then it will be amazing(but I doubt that).

Here's what I found http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/samsung/h7150 and it looks ok!

Good luck with whichever decision you make.

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by MD-Blu

I'm considering getting a 4KUHD and would like your all's opinion about the one that I'm considering.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-...&skuId=4630013

Love you TV choice, but if you are interested in HDR and or WCG you would need to upgrade to any of Samsung's JS---- series SUHD TVs.

-Robert

[JohnAV]

^ Yeah IMHO the 2015 Samsung UN60JU7100 UDTV is a excellent buy with the new Tizen OS interface being a lot better performing then the previous 2014 models. Your right the SUHD is worth a few bucks more if you value image quality. Review.

I'm at the point you could twist my arm and I would refuse to be dragged back to purchasing 1080P displays now after seeing these models.

[bobbydrugar]

I would say that based on your apparent circumstances that there are a few reasons you should not purchase a 4k tv right now.

First: The fact that you are asking indicates that you are not so flush with cash that you can buy and buy and buy again as an early adopter.

Second: considering the first issue the prevailing issue is that UHD is in the early beta adopter phase with several competing technologies and not enough minimal standards to ensure that anything you buy today will even suffice 6 months from now when UHD-Bluray becomes available.

So If you absolutely need a TV right now I would purchase a second hand HD tv to save money to tie you over and wait it out until next years models with corresponding standards having been finalized to ensure that you get something that will last you more then a few months.

Just a thought
T

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by bobbydrugar

Second: considering the first issue the prevailing issue is that UHD is in the early beta adopter phase with several competing technologies and not enough minimal standards to ensure that anything you buy today will even suffice 6 months from now when UHD-Bluray becomes available.

Let me ask you this, what standards are missing with the model we were discussing that prevents it from being used with UHD physical media when released with 2160P playback?

Its not supporting HDR true, while the next model up (8500) does.

4k @ 30Hz @ 4:4:4: Yes
4k @ 60Hz: Yes
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4: Yes
HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 connectivity

[bobbydrugar]

As far as we know none of those feature are certain to work. Until units are in the hands of consumers along with uhd disks and uhd players and streaming boxes all we have are paper specs that "should" work. If that turns out to not be the case you would be stuck with a tv that disappoints. Early adoption of new untested electronics is usually best left for those who will happily go out and just buy one that works. But it is a personal choice if you feel the gamble is worth it then by all means I would do it.

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[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by bobbydrugar

As far as we know none of those feature are certain to work. Until units are in the hands of consumers along with uhd disks and uhd players and streaming boxes all we have are paper specs that "should" work. If that turns out to not be the case you would be stuck with a tv that disappoints. Early adoption of new untested electronics is usually best left for those who will happily go out and just buy one that works. But it is a personal choice if you feel the gamble is worth it then by all means I would do it.

T

Using the current Samsung OneConnect as a example this could be mitigated by building the I/O interfaces with processors externally to the display. This way if something later changes hardware wise you only have to swap this box, not the display.



Without the video processing, just the I/O represented below in the OneConnect mini.

[JJ]

Yesterday I picked up a 65" JS8500 as my new main display after 6 months of toying with a 92" projector setup (and that was after 5 years of plasma owning b/t a 5020 and 65ZT60) and I'm excited to turn it on today and find out what all the fuss is about.

Looked wonderful at the store, but getting it at home is something else. I too was worried about being future-proof enough, and I almost bought a 75" 1080p W850C from Sony, but changed my mind in crunch time.

[bobbydrugar]

Unless the uplink port between the breakout box and the actual display ends up not being sufficient to handle the signaling properly. Very similar to what happened to the HDMI port on the OG PS/3. they were able to software patch some of the 1.4 HDMI specs into the 1.3 port but not all of them.

The real question is what is the big hurry to rush into unknown and untested (expensive) hardware. Its not like they are going to stop making TV's next year when all the pieces have fallen into place. Waiting is the only sensible/rational/responsible thing to do. But again hey if it's all about beating the jonses to the punch then by all means frivolously spend away.

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[bobbydrugar]

Forgot to also mention the other advantage of waiting would be Black Friday/Cyber Monday which should be around when most of the pieces fall into place and you may be able to get much better value for your money and who knows they may even throw in a UHD player and movies as a bonus at that time.

Just a thought
T

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by bobbydrugar

Unless the uplink port between the breakout box and the actual display ends up not being sufficient to handle the signaling properly. Very similar to what happened to the HDMI port on the OG PS/3. they were able to software patch some of the 1.4 HDMI specs into the 1.3 port but not all of them.

The real question is what is the big hurry to rush into unknown and untested (expensive) hardware. Its not like they are going to stop making TV's next year when all the pieces have fallen into place. Waiting is the only sensible/rational/responsible thing to do. But again hey if it's all about beating the jonses to the punch then by all means frivolously spend away.

T

The above interface meets all the UHD current requirements. Discussing 3D playback against HDMI 1.3/1.4 ports is a few years ago.
I agree that its a situation where we have the car, and driver, but not the highway yet, hopefully Nov/Dec we start seeing first UHD players and media, but because studios legal and BDA went at it for so long (agreement in May) we'll see.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by bobbydrugar

Forgot to also mention the other advantage of waiting would be Black Friday/Cyber Monday which should be around when most of the pieces fall into place and you may be able to get much better value for your money and who knows they may even throw in a UHD player and movies as a bonus at that time.

Just a thought
T

The Black Friday/Cyber Monday displays were 60hz panels in a lot of cases last year, not 120hz or 240 hz.

You need to check specs if purchasing Black Friday UDTV's. Best deals are labor day.