When do you think we'll see 3D compatible UHD/4K players and Blu-rays? - Blu-ray Forum

Jbug · 03-13-2014, 04:37 PM

Why are some set manufacturers sticking with active glasses technology when passive looks better on 4k TVs? I'm trying to see where they are coming from on a technical level. Also, what will it take to have full UHD 3D on a UHD TV? I'm thinking that it's not possible with passive but is it with active and therefore it's better to buy an active 3D UHD TV. With Netflix 4k streaming, will they stay away from 4k 3D movies?

keb33509 · 03-13-2014, 07:53 PM

There are currently no plans for UHD 3D. If there were, Active 3D is required. BD 3D is still niche, so I see it being the primary format for 3D for years to come. Any so-called "4k" 3D would most likely be obtained through a streaming device.

poke smot · 03-13-2014, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by keb33509

There are currently no plans for UHD 3D. If there were, Active 3D is required. BD 3D is still niche, so I see it being the primary format for 3D for years to come. Any so-called "4k" 3D would most likely be obtained through a streaming device.

the 4k sonys at best buy had passive 3d if i remember correctly.

BD3Dfan · 03-13-2014, 09:50 PM

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the 4k sonys at best buy had passive 3d if i remember correctly.

From what I heard, there is a caveat to the whole '1080p passive 3D' thing on 4K 3D tvs. Apparently, it only works if the display is a certian size. If it's below that size, then the benefit is nullified and passive 3D will only display as it would on 1080p 3D TVs, that is, split resolution between eyes.

AccordTR · 03-13-2014, 10:02 PM

The choice for active 3d on UHD TVs, which I have one, is that active is two true 1080p feeds. UHD TVs can then weave the two 1080p feeds into an almost native 4k picture. This process looks amazing too be honest. Avatar 3d is jaw dropping in this 4k process.

keb33509 · 03-14-2014, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by poke smot

the 4k sonys at best buy had passive 3d if i remember correctly.

Yes, I know this. I was meaning for full 4k 3D, active would be required because passive 3D splits the resolution. It would be pointless for a passive 4k panel to playback a potential 4k 3D video except for the expanded color.

Jbug · 03-14-2014, 03:58 PM

So, will an active 4k set be future proof when and if a full 4k, 3D movie was released?

I had a passive 65" 4k Sony and know how good that looks, it was a revelation to be sure with no ghosting worth mentioning and plenty bright. I will probably wind up with an active 2014 4k (have active experience with PDPs) set though as I want a larger screen and the passive choices are not plentiful. I'm just hoping the ghosting is gone or not bad.

keb33509 · 03-15-2014, 02:02 AM

If you prefer active, then sure, it's possible it could be future proof. That is, if 4K 3D ever comes. Don't expect it to come anytime soon.

WowSuchUHD · 03-13-2019, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jbug

So, will an active 4k set be future proof when and if a full 4k, 3D movie was released?

I had a passive 65" 4k Sony and know how good that looks, it was a revelation to be sure with no ghosting worth mentioning and plenty bright. I will probably wind up with an active 2014 4k (have active experience with PDPs) set though as I want a larger screen and the passive choices are not plentiful. I'm just hoping the ghosting is gone or not bad.

No. HDMI is the bottleneck. Current TVs (minus a couple 2019 models) are limited to 30FPS w/ 4k + HDR metadeta (whether HDR10 or Dolby Vision)

you need a minimum 48FPS for 3D (2x 24)

HDMI 2.1 will allow for enough bandwidth to do it, but there is no standard for 4k HDR 3D, so we're still a long way away.

If it comes, I would guess it's another 5-7 years away.

evertec · 10-31-2014, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by keb33509

Yes, I know this. I was meaning for full 4k 3D, active would be required because passive 3D splits the resolution. It would be pointless for a passive 4k panel to playback a potential 4k 3D video except for the expanded color.

I wouldn't say it's pointless... 4K passive would still be 3840x1080 to each eye, which is still twice the resolution as 1080p 3d. That would be just like saying 1080p is pointless on a 1080p passive 3d TV... I know by experience that 1080p 3D looks much better than 720P 3D on my passive 3d TV.

jmy2469 · 08-16-2015, 04:23 PM

When do you think we will see 3D compatible UHD/4K players and Blu-rays?

schan1269 · 08-16-2015, 05:10 PM

When they show up.

Canada · 08-17-2015, 01:37 AM

A lot of 2160p TV's have passive glasses so half the resolution gets thrown away, so you are only really getting a 1080p image anyway.

gekke henkie · 08-17-2015, 06:38 PM

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A lot of 2160p TV's have passive glasses so half the resolution gets thrown away, so you are only really getting a 1080p image anyway.

Getting 3D in 1080p is already twice as good as the current passive-3D 1080p panels, where you only get 540p vertically. Even better, your horizontal resolution gets up-converted from 1920 to 3840. So, regarding passive-3D, the 4K panels outshine the 1080p displays fourfold, AFAIK. But please correct me if I'm wrong.

Voltaire53 · 08-25-2015, 10:53 AM

Last I heard was, now that the 4K 'standard' had been agreed and published, 'official' to-standard TVs and players were expected to start hitting the shops about Christmas this year. Presumably early discs will appear about the same time.

film11 · 02-18-2018, 05:37 PM

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When do you think we will see 3D compatible UHD/4K players and Blu-rays?

Probably not till 8K hits, which would have the capacity for 3D 4K discs.

schiltzamania · 02-18-2018, 09:13 PM

Unfortunately never because it's not part of the official UHD spec. Although current UHD players play 3D blurays just fine.

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reewinder · 02-19-2018, 09:26 AM

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Unfortunately never because it's not part of the official UHD spec. Although current UHD players play 3D blurays just fine.

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Not all of them. I think the latest Samsung 4K player dropped 3D support. Avoid the Samsung UBD-M9500 player at all costs if you want 3D.

schiltzamania · 02-19-2018, 02:44 PM

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Not all of them. I think the latest Samsung 4K player dropped 3D support. Avoid the Samsung UBD-M9500 player at all costs if you want 3D.

Well that sucks. They really are trying way to hard to kill this format. I have the Oppo udp 203

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Indy64 · 02-19-2018, 02:48 PM

They really are trying way to hard to kill this format.

The format is "dead" for home use for the most part, nobody is "trying" to kill it, it was abandoned well over a year ago for the most part.

03-13-2014, 04:37 PM	#1
Jbug Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2010 Location:Chicago, IL Trading Score:29	When do you think we'll see 3D compatible UHD/4K players and Blu-rays? Why are some set manufacturers sticking with active glasses technology when passive looks better on 4k TVs? I'm trying to see where they are coming from on a technical level. Also, what will it take to have full UHD 3D on a UHD TV? I'm thinking that it's not possible with passive but is it with active and therefore it's better to buy an active 3D UHD TV. With Netflix 4k streaming, will they stay away from 4k 3D movies?

08-16-2015, 04:23 PM	#11
jmy2469 Active Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Palm Harbor, FL	When do you think we'll see 3D compatible UHD/4K players and Blu-rays? When do you think we will see 3D compatible UHD/4K players and Blu-rays? Last edited by the13thman; 02-18-2018 at 10:37 AM. Reason: fixed typo, added reference to 3D

03-13-2014, 07:53 PM	#2
keb33509 Special Member Member since:Aug 2011 Blu-ray collection:442 Trading Score:75	There are currently no plans for UHD 3D. If there were, Active 3D is required. BD 3D is still niche, so I see it being the primary format for 3D for years to come. Any so-called "4k" 3D would most likely be obtained through a streaming device.

03-13-2014, 10:02 PM	#5
AccordTR Senior Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Winnipeg, MB Trading Score:23	The choice for active 3d on UHD TVs, which I have one, is that active is two true 1080p feeds. UHD TVs can then weave the two 1080p feeds into an almost native 4k picture. This process looks amazing too be honest. Avatar 3d is jaw dropping in this 4k process.

03-14-2014, 03:58 PM	#7
Jbug Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2010 Location:Chicago, IL Trading Score:29	So, will an active 4k set be future proof when and if a full 4k, 3D movie was released? I had a passive 65" 4k Sony and know how good that looks, it was a revelation to be sure with no ghosting worth mentioning and plenty bright. I will probably wind up with an active 2014 4k (have active experience with PDPs) set though as I want a larger screen and the passive choices are not plentiful. I'm just hoping the ghosting is gone or not bad.

03-15-2014, 02:02 AM	#8
keb33509 Special Member Member since:Aug 2011 Blu-ray collection:442 Trading Score:75	If you prefer active, then sure, it's possible it could be future proof. That is, if 4K 3D ever comes. Don't expect it to come anytime soon.

08-16-2015, 05:10 PM	#12
schan1269 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2013 Location:Lake county, Indiana. Opposite end of Gary... Blu-ray reviews:2	When they show up.

08-17-2015, 01:37 AM	#13
Canada Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Victoria, BC Home Theater Gallery:17 4K collection:305 Blu-ray collection:1201 DVD collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:42	A lot of 2160p TV's have passive glasses so half the resolution gets thrown away, so you are only really getting a 1080p image anyway.

08-25-2015, 10:53 AM	#15
Voltaire53 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Portsmouth, UK Home Theater Gallery:26 4K collection:825 Blu-ray collection:4107 DVD collection:1540 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:1	Last I heard was, now that the 4K 'standard' had been agreed and published, 'official' to-standard TVs and players were expected to start hitting the shops about Christmas this year. Presumably early discs will appear about the same time.

02-18-2018, 09:13 PM	#17
schiltzamania Senior Member Member since:Jun 2016 Location:South Dakota Blu-ray collection:25 DVD collection:2 Digital collection:1 Trading Score:18	Unfortunately never because it's not part of the official UHD spec. Although current UHD players play 3D blurays just fine. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

02-19-2018, 02:48 PM	#20
Indy64 Banned Member since:Oct 2017 Location:Nunya	They really are trying way to hard to kill this format. The format is "dead" for home use for the most part, nobody is "trying" to kill it, it was abandoned well over a year ago for the most part.

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