Davy Crockett (60th Anniversary Edition) 2-Movie Collection - (DMC Exclusive)

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Disney's hanging on to 20,000 Leagues to twin it with their remake. Until the remake is released, you won't see 20,000 Leagues in HD....unless you were savvy and DVR'd the thing when it was on in HD on Turner Classic Movies a few weeks ago, along with Operation Undersea and some other cool shorts and features.

Thanks for a common sense reply to my question.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by hariseldon

How is the question supposed to answered or who is supposed to answer -- 'nobody knows that can say' has been said many times so if you don't believe that answer there has to some other reason

If the answer is known it's going to be prominently discussed likely with it's own thread as soon as anything even remotely speculated/unofficial is known and at least searchable in another thread.


If nobody has announced it here either it's not known by someone who can say or it means someone is withholding information just waiting for the next person to ask.

Yeah ok.

[Mayboy128]

Watched these for the first time last night. My wife and I had fun with these! So far, I’ve enjoyed these probably more than any of the other early live-action Walt Disney films I’ve seen. I’ve been surprised with how unrefined and shallow the live-action films seems to be, and with the level of quality, compared to the artistic and innovative stuff that was happening at the animation wing of the company at the time. Some of the quality goofs in this one just made us bust out laughing, though, like some of the very delayed death reactions in the first film hahaha! I even got emotional during Davy’s speech about the Indian Bill at congress.

[regeyer]

Born on a mountaintop in Tennessee . . .

[anomaly7]

Re-watched both these movies over the weekend, only my second time since picking them up. When I first bought them, I watch King of the Wild Frontier first, but I realized it makes sense to watch the River Pirates first going forward, which I did this time.

I wouldn't mind seeing an updated telling of the life of Davy Crockett, maybe as a mini-series, since the films cover a lot in a short amount of time. Also, sort of surprised a couple of the other Alamo movies featuring Davy Crockett, including the one from the 1960's and the one from the 2000's still haven't had a blu-ray released.

[Mayboy128]

Originally Posted by anomaly7

Re-watched both these movies over the weekend, only my second time since picking them up. When I first bought them, I watch King of the Wild Frontier first, but I realized it makes sense to watch the River Pirates first going forward, which I did this time.

I wouldn't mind seeing an updated telling of the life of Davy Crockett, maybe as a mini-series, since the films cover a lot in a short amount of time. Also, sort of surprised a couple of the other Alamo movies featuring Davy Crockett, including the one from the 1960's and the one from the 2000's still haven't had a blu-ray released.

I’d SO love a 4K release of the 2000’s Alamo!! The movie flopped, but it’s one of my favorites!

[Uptight]

https://.com/davycrockett50th.html

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Though the posters boldly proclaimed the films as "Wide Screen," both King of the Wild Frontier and The River Pirates were edited from a show that was clearly shot for television. Thus, the 1.33:1 fullscreen aspect ratios in which they are presented on this DVD are correct, and preferred to the type of makeshift matting that was done theatrically to cater to demands for widescreen material. Good framing in Academy Ratio usually won't make for any terrible compositions when slightly matted, and there are some folks who will approve any questionable framing in the name of widescreen. Still, the Davy Crockett stories are doubtlessly intended to be seen as 4:3 full frame.

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When Davy Crockett was released, Widescreen was really new, 1 year old... I just checked the Walt Disney Treasures DVDs, and the two compilations:


From episodes 1-3
"Davy Crockett, King of the Wild Frontier"

From episodes 4-5
"Davy Crockett and the River Pirates"

And had the impression the Wide does not add anything to the sides, while crops the top/bottom (see this example:





If that's the case, don't you think the 2 compilations could have been released in the OAR (which I assume to be 4:3) in Blu-ray?

[Class316]

Originally Posted by Uptight

If that's the case, don't you think the 2 compilations could have been released in the OAR (which I assume to be 4:3) in Blu-ray?

Correct!

But it's Disney and they ruin things.

[WonkaBedknobs83]

Disney did remake Davy Crockett in the 1980s when the anthology series briefly moved back to the old NBC time slot it occupied for 20 years, but they seemed to have forgotten that version along with the Harry Anderson version of The Absent-Minded Professor. The remake machine started almost as soon as Eisner joined the studio. Even Bette Midler's first film for Touchstone was a remake of a 1930s French film!

Originally Posted by Mayboy128

Watched these for the first time last night. My wife and I had fun with these! So far, I’ve enjoyed these probably more than any of the other early live-action Walt Disney films I’ve seen. I’ve been surprised with how unrefined and shallow the live-action films seems to be, and with the level of quality, compared to the artistic and innovative stuff that was happening at the animation wing of the company at the time. Some of the quality goofs in this one just made us bust out laughing, though, like some of the very delayed death reactions in the first film hahaha! I even got emotional during Davy’s speech about the Indian Bill at congress.

My guess is that they did not have money to fix any technical/continuity issues here and still afford to re-shoot the squid fight from 20000 Leagues Under the Sea while still having money to open Disneyland on time and finish Lady and the Tramp, which was eating up a lot of money like the title characters on a plate of spaghetti and meatballs because it was shot twice in CinemaScope and Academy ratios in case widescreen turned out to be just a fad. They were already spending a lot of money filming Davy in color when TV could not broadcast that way yet, money compounded by the fact that a lot of the shooting was done on location in the Appalachians. If they noticed any of those things back then, it was probably too late to do anything about them, and the money had been spent by that time.

If anything, it could be argued Walt took more gambles at a single time in the 1950s than he ever did during any other part of his career. It is here that he is staking his claim not only to television while other studios are largely still afraid of it, but a major tourist attraction while adapting new movie technologies such as widescreen, stereo sound, and even 3D to animation.

[Ernest Rister]

...and nature documentaries and the Mickey Mouse Club and Zorro and the UK film unit...Walt was on fire...

[chas speed]

Originally Posted by Uptight

https://.com/davycrockett50th.html

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Though the posters boldly proclaimed the films as "Wide Screen," both King of the Wild Frontier and The River Pirates were edited from a show that was clearly shot for television. Thus, the 1.33:1 fullscreen aspect ratios in which they are presented on this DVD are correct, and preferred to the type of makeshift matting that was done theatrically to cater to demands for widescreen material. Good framing in Academy Ratio usually won't make for any terrible compositions when slightly matted, and there are some folks who will approve any questionable framing in the name of widescreen. Still, the Davy Crockett stories are doubtlessly intended to be seen as 4:3 full frame.

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When Davy Crockett was released, Widescreen was really new, 1 year old... I just checked the Walt Disney Treasures DVDs, and the two compilations:


From episodes 1-3
"Davy Crockett, King of the Wild Frontier"

From episodes 4-5
"Davy Crockett and the River Pirates"

And had the impression the Wide does not add anything to the sides, while crops the top/bottom (see this example:





If that's the case, don't you think the 2 compilations could have been released in the OAR (which I assume to be 4:3) in Blu-ray?

I always thought it was shot with a 1.85.1 aspect ratio for possible showings in overseas theaters like Scarecrow of Romney Marsh.

[Ernest Rister]

Might have been protected for both, but we're talking 1955...sorry, wish I could tell you definitively, but odds are it was shot in 4:3...20,000 Leagues Under the Sea was only the second 'Scope film ever shot, in 1954, so I doubt Walt would shoot a made-for-tv production like Davy Crockett in a wide-screen format. Color, sure. Color tv's were already in development, and Walt and Roy multi-purposed the heck out of things, so why not go shoot the Appalachians in color and cut everything into a feature for foreign markets...

Hey, you know what cranks my gears a little bit. It's so tiny and trivial, but my jaw clenched seeing it. The True-Life Adventure Secrets of Life is missing the sudden shifted aspect ratio to Scope in the concluding Hawaii volcano sequence on Disney+. It stays 4:3. Nobody who isn't in the know is gonna notice...but some of us do. Disney had to issue a disc replacement program to fix the error on their True-Life Adventures tins, you'd think maybe they'd know they're using a wrong master of the film.

[WonkaBedknobs83]

Unlike movies, it was a few more years before TV producers thought of shooting with widescreen in mind. But it seems that Disney and Universal were the two studios that did the most to blur the lines between TV and movies. After Davy and all the westerns the studio produced in its wake, Disney in particular seemed convinced that whatever was good enough for Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color (or whatever they're calling it on any given Sunday night) in terms of production value was good enough for movie theatres. It took them until the time of The Black Hole to shake them out of that mentality. As it is, it took them this long to start producing live-action content on a regular basis compared to 20 years earlier, or even 10 years earlier when the only live-action film content they created was in the service of cavorting with cartoon characters.