Home Theater Forum - Request to Release Hondo and Friday the 13th III in 3D

[evoll]

Originally Posted by DJR662

I tried watching it once but got a headache after about 15 minutes due to the colors all being messed up. Too bad cause some of the pop out effects still work fairly well.

I don't want 3D (Blu-ray) to ever end but if it did, a Friday The 13th Part 3 3D release would be the perfect swan song for the format for me.

Same with me, the colors looked so bad I also had to turn it off and go back to the reg. Blu ray.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by Damon1281

My copy is on blu-ray but still anaglyph.

Thanks for the info. Does it make the anaglyph look a little better than the lower res of DVD?

Originally Posted by DJR662

I tried watching it once but got a headache after about 15 minutes due to the colors all being messed up. Too bad cause some of the pop out effects still work fairly well.

I don't want 3D (Blu-ray) to ever end but if it did, a Friday The 13th Part 3 3D release would be the perfect swan song for the format for me.

The 3D in this one is amazing for pop outs, agreed. Anaglyph unfortunately messes up the colors of the original picture, and that in turn sometimes affects the results of the pop outs and 3D too, as the reds and cyans clash with varied shades of color, altering the 3D effect, compared to the clean, clear image of polarized stereo 3D.

[Alhlan Ain Ajeeba]

This year is 35 years since friday the 13th part 3 was in cinemas. It was August 1982. It would be nice if we got a true 3d blu ray, before the end of the year. I really want it before 3d blu ray dies out

[Zivouhr]

Thanks for the details on the anniversary of the film. Yes, August 13, 1982 was the original release date of Friday the 13th Part 3 3D, this August being 35 years. That is something they released it on the 13th too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_the_13th_Part_III

The film was made for about 2 million dollars and earned close to 37 million.

[bigfoot8]

why so much aversion to releasing this film in proper 3d blu-ray?

seems to be one of the most requested 3d titles

really surprised Scream Factory or Shout! or someone else hasn't done it yet

[fitprod]

Originally Posted by bigfoot8

why so much aversion to releasing this film in proper 3d blu-ray?

seems to be one of the most requested 3d titles

really surprised Scream Factory or Shout! or someone else hasn't done it yet

They'd have to license the film from Paramount, and Paramount does not have a modern 3D master. Unless Paramount spends the money to re-master the film, which they're not going to do, a modern 3D Blu-ray is not going to happen.

Fitprod

[bigfoot8]

Originally Posted by fitprod

They'd have to license the film from Paramount, and Paramount does not have a modern 3D master. Unless Paramount spends the money to re-master the film, which they're not going to do, a modern 3D Blu-ray is not going to happen.

Fitprod

just curious - how were other films of that era able to get modern 3d masters? (Jaws 3D, Amityville 3D, Metalstorm, Comin at Ya etc)

those films were all released in the same time frame as Friday the 13th 3

was the original master destroyed or something?

so what was the crappy anaglyphic version sourced from?

[bavanut]

Bigfoot8, I know enough information to give you a broad explanation.

As far as I know, the original film elements for Friday the 13th Part III (camera negative and other early elements) are in fine shape and are reasonably well cared for, along with all of Paramount's other films from that time.

Friday the 13th Part III was filmed using the Marks 3-Depix system, so the left and right images are on one band of film. Neither eye is lost, obviously, and if ever a stereo scan is needed, both eyes are readily available. One could conceivably scan both eyes in one pass, if economy is an issue.

Presumably, when it came time to release the anaglyph version, Paramount either made fresh scans of each eye, or used existing scans for one eye or both. (Others will surely know more than I on this point.) Paramount then converted these discrete, full-color images, originally meant for Polaroid projection, into red-and-cyan anaglyph format. This is not a terrific solution.

Given that the opening credits in F13 III present vibrant red text against billowing blue and gray backgrounds, the opening credits sequence—hands down the most memorable credits sequence in any 3-D film I've ever seen—had to be shown in 2-D in this ersatz anaglyph version.

Why hasn't a full-on, discrete left and right 3-D Blu-Ray of Friday the 13th Part III appeared on the market? Studio indifference, most likely. Maybe the bean counters feel this particular title sells plenty enough copies in 2-D, or in substandard anaglyph. Excessive parsimony may also be involved. But in all fairness, I do not know what budget is allocated for preserving and restoring Paramount's wide library of important titles, both 3-D and 2-D, so I cannot glibly condemn those in charge for making hard choices, if indeed that be the case.

For Jaws 3-D, Universal appears to have made a fresh scan of one eye and married it to an existing scan of the other eye. Copious digital processing was applied to one image—the right eye, if I'm not mistaken—to try to make it match the other for illumination and detail. This has resulted in objectionable amounts of digital noise or artifacting in that right eye.

In the case of Amityville 3-D and Metalstorm, it appears that someone made new scans of both eyes but made very little attempt at cleanup or image refinement of any kind. While very entertaining and occasionally remarkable to watch, both films still have severe issues in 3-D on Blu-Ray. Even so, I recommend them to those casual 3-D fans who may be "listening in" on this conversation.

As for Comin' At Ya!, it appears that actor and filmmaker Tony Anthony retains some ownership or control over the film. Clean scans appear to have been made of each eye and considerable effort has been expended to alter the color palette here and there throughout the film for "artistic" reasons. There is one particular off-the-screen gimmick shot where a Herculean effort has been made to eliminate vertical parallax, a sad hallmark of Optimax III, the system used to shoot Comin' At Ya!

But there are still many problems in Comin' At Ya! on Blu-Ray, among them dust and/or water spots in one or both eyes, considerable uncorrected vertical parallax*, focus asymmetry, and myriad instances of excessive negative parallax. But what can I say? I'm the one man who will cheerfully admit to enjoying Comin' At Ya!, which, by the way, is much more comfortable to view in a head mounted display than on a 3-D TV or projector. (I also recommend this title to any casual 3-D fans "listening in.")

*- Remember that vertical parallax is not exactly the same thing as vertical misalignment. Simple vertical misalignment, when it occurs, involves the same amount of disparity in all image points across the screen. With vertical parallax, the disparity becomes more severe as objects come closer to the camera.

[BLMN]

Originally Posted by fitprod

They'd have to license the film from Paramount, and Paramount does not have a modern 3D master. Unless Paramount spends the money to re-master the film, which they're not going to do, a modern 3D Blu-ray is not going to happen.

Fitprod

Originally Posted by bigfoot8

just curious - how were other films of that era able to get modern 3d masters? (Jaws 3D, Amityville 3D, Metalstorm, Comin at Ya etc)

those films were all released in the same time frame as Friday the 13th 3

was the original master destroyed or something?

so what was the crappy anaglyphic version sourced from?

It feels more like Paramount has no interest on either working on it or licensing to somebody else.

[Interdimensional]

Originally Posted by fitprod

They'd have to license the film from Paramount, and Paramount does not have a modern 3D master. Unless Paramount spends the money to re-master the film, which they're not going to do, a modern 3D Blu-ray is not going to happen.

Fitprod

If they created the existing HD master by scanning from the original negative, in the raw scans they will have both eye views in HD quality which is all they need to create a 3-D master.

It would've made sense to create a digital 3-D master, and produce the anaglyph version from that. So they may already have a 3-D master.

I have little doubt a limited edition production run would sell well and probably sell out. No reason why it couldn't happen, other than indifference and disinterest from those in a position to make it happen.

Same goes for Hondo. Both movies have made substantial amounts of money over the years, compared to the relative pittance it would take to release them on 3D-Bluray. And no one need go broke in the process.

[fitprod]

Originally Posted by Interdimensional

Both movies have made substantial amounts of money over the years, compared to the relative pittance it would take to release them on 3D-Bluray. And no one need go broke in the process.

But that's not how studio marketers and bean counters work. They go what do I have to invest to make a certain amount of profit for this release. They don't look at it "full picture" wise. It immediate cost vs instant profit for said release. It was all about, "Hell we've already may millions of profit... Let's reinvest in the future profit." We wouldn't be waiting for Paramount to re-master Deep Space Nine and Voyager for HD/Blu-ray. Hell, they're already to cheap to run a few thousands copies of Hawaii Five-O past few seasons in the US because they don't feel it's worth the repackaging of disc that already compatible with Region A. (It would marginally eat into their millions of profits from syndication in the US, in their narrow minds.)

In the case of any 3D release for the home at this point, there no reason to re-invest because Bou-ray is the only way to generate any money for a 3D release at this point. There's no theatrical release reasons (outside of limited festivals), no syndication value since there are no 3D channels left or 3D EST sales potential.

Be thankful you get any 3D releases of catalog titles at this point, but don't expect much re-investment in the format, especially since 3D TVs are no longer being made.

Fitprod

[bigfoot8]

Originally Posted by bavanut

[FONT="Arial"][SIZE="4" Studio indifference, most likely. Maybe the bean counters feel this particular title sells plenty enough copies in 2-D, or in substandard anaglyph.

ok thanks for breaking that down

just seems that if they did a blu ray anaglyph version, they would have the source materials for a proper br3d release... but money is always the awful driving force for anything getting done, fans be damned

if it's strictly a bean counter issue, the only way I could see it happening is if paramount issues another deluxe Friday the 13th box set / complete collection, as the most recent one is currently out of print

but don't think that would be likely until another 13 film release or the original's 40th anniversary in 2020

[robtadrian]

IF Paramount paid any attention to the fact that Twilight Time's 3D titles consistently are #1 on the sales lists, the success Best Buy had with It Came from Outer Space and the fact that people want 3D horror so bad they even bought American Mummy then they'd break their necks to issue one. I also have faith that the completists would double-dip to make a wild profit (I mean there's enough of a fanbase for a Crystal Lake Memories blu-ray!)

[Richard--W]

Originally Posted by Interdimensional

If they created the existing HD master by scanning from the original negative, in the raw scans they will have both eye views in HD quality which is all they need to create a 3-D master.

It would've made sense to create a digital 3-D master, and produce the anaglyph version from that. So they may already have a 3-D master.

I have little doubt a limited edition production run would sell well and probably sell out. No reason why it couldn't happen, other than indifference and disinterest from those in a position to make it happen.

Same goes for Hondo. Both movies have made substantial amounts of money over the years, compared to the relative pittance it would take to release them on 3D-Bluray. And no one need go broke in the process.

Originally Posted by robtadrian

IF Paramount paid any attention to the fact that Twilight Time's 3D titles consistently are #1 on the sales lists, the success Best Buy had with It Came from Outer Space and the fact that people want 3D horror so bad they even bought American Mummy then they'd break their necks to issue one. I also have faith that the completists would double-dip to make a wild profit (I mean there's enough of a fanbase for a Crystal Lake Memories blu-ray!)

Shame on you both, talking sense and applying logic like that.

[Jpapp25]

A proper 3D release isn't just my One of my Bluray Dream releases...it's my home media dream release. I messed around with trying to create a stereoscopic release earlier this year (detailed in prior posts in this thread) but got busy with work and life and that has fallen by the wayside. The German mediabook Bluray release using the same eye as the US blu releases took a lot of the wind out of my sails as well. Hopefully some company can convince paramount there is some inkling of profit to be had in releasing a true stereoscopic 3D version and can just at least scan a negative. If Jaws 3 was able to get a true 3D release I'm hitting my head against a wall trying to figure out why this film can't.

[Evileye]

Sad this is not being considered since prints are definitely in circulation:

http://ihousephilly.org/calendar/lig...dar/3-dementia

Anyone in Philly should see this in it's true form!

[bigfoot8]

Originally Posted by Evileye

Sad this is not being considered since prints are definitely in circulation:

http://ihousephilly.org/calendar/lig...dar/3-dementia

Anyone in Philly should see this in it's true form!

oh wow I wanna go - not anywhere close to Philly though

[deltatauhobbit]

Originally Posted by Evileye

Sad this is not being considered since prints are definitely in circulation:

http://ihousephilly.org/calendar/lig...dar/3-dementia

Anyone in Philly should see this in it's true form!

Damn, why couldn't it be closer to where I live haha. I'd probably make the drive if it was in Boston. Nice that those films are getting 3D showings though, hopefully the prints are in decent shape and the projectionist is capable.

[grodd]

Originally Posted by deltatauhobbit

Damn, why couldn't it be closer to where I live haha. I'd probably make the drive if it was in Boston. Nice that those films are getting 3D showings though, hopefully the prints are in decent shape and the projectionist is capable.

This is the top movie I want to see released in 3D.

[bigfoot8]

Originally Posted by Evileye

Sad this is not being considered since prints are definitely in circulation:

http://ihousephilly.org/calendar/lig...dar/3-dementia

but the good news is that 3d prints still exist

so there is something from which a new master could be sourced

in other words, it's not in the realm of impossible

**someone shine a 3d bat-signal in the sky to the 3D Film Archive**