Issues playing some Paramount releases

[78deluxe]

Originally Posted by wormraper

temperature controlled room on dedicated shelving stored vertically like they should...ambient temp 69-78 degrees depending on the time of year and the thermostat. (but I also have around 9,000 discs). I also have a tendency to buying my discs right when they come out, meaning I get the first "problem" pressings of discs. and you can't deny the failure rates of the well go usa and Criterion titles. I had every single one of the problem discs and about 2/3 of the ones in my collection were affected. many other people experienced the same thing. people reporting dozens of discs failed etc. I had over 30 discs in the well go usa and Criterion fiasco alone that were bad (there were about 50-60 discs affected between those two studios)

and I wouldn't trust it bronzing or not to obe a sign. don't just LOOK at your disc but go to the layer break and do a quick slow fast forward. they should lock up between 1:07 and 1:10 on each movie (right where the layer break is on Hunt and Clear n Present)... with a collection the size of yours, I'm guessing you have a handful of failed discs you just haven't run across yet. go back and look at the "well go usa and criterion's bronzing" thread and you'll find a TON of people reporting the same thing. I'm surprised you've never had one disc fail with that large of a collection. back on DVD talk there were entire boxsets that would fail down to the last disc causing people to lose 20-30 discs just from a couple problme sets (anyone remember universal's flipper dvds that were so prone to failure?)

Criterion States right on the site of the person to contact for replacement discs if you find a defect.

What titles are you talking about?

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by 78deluxe

Criterion States right on the site of the person to contact for replacement discs if you find a defect.

What titles are you talking about?

oh I got em replaced, just like I got my Well Go USA titles replaced, just stating that they needed replacing to begin with.

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by wormraper

I have no reason to lie. I've been a huge backer of physical media, but something is a bit off when people report bronzing on discs across SEVERAL studios and they all screw up at the layer break or don't load. I can list each and every title and they're ALL been reported on this or the giant failed disc thread by multiple other people. All first pressings usually and all but a handful are the bronzing issue (the old fox titles back in 2007 and 2008 or the lionsgate issues were something different, but all the new stuff that's been happening in the last 2-3 years has 99% been bronzing and failure at the layer change). I am perfectly aware that you're going to get a few bum discs. It happens. Especially if you own anime (anime studios have crap for QC, always have...risk of that particular collectors hobby), but the failure rate of just plane jane feature films has been pretty nasty on Blu-ray so far. Just read the giant Criteron/Well Go USA threat (that morphed into the catch all bad discs thread) and you'll count a good chunk of people who've had the same issue (though most have smaller collections than some of us and thusly they don't have AS many discs failing).

you've had one disc go bad. I've had friends who've never had a disc go bad, and others who've lost 100 + dvds because they were unlucky enough to get a bunch of Universal and Warner DVD TV shows that were famous for that (anyone remember the universal c@ckup with BsG the original show? that was a an epic failure that had replacement discs failing in a couple years too)

and don't forget, there were MANY of us in the criterion thread that lost 20+ discs due to the initial failure a few years back. heck, I had 15 well go usa titles that were all effected from their screw up because I have all but maybe 15-20 well go usa titles as I'm a huge fan of theirs.

Nobody (at least not me) is saying you're lying, but looking at the situation it seems very odd that a person would have so many discs fail when others have discs that are fine. I watch a movie every single night, you'd think if I had a failed disc in there I'd have come across it at some point, right? I've been collecting blu-rays for six years now and never had any issue with this. I mean, it's entirely possible tonight I could pop in a disc and find that it's crapped out on me, but who knows.

It's just that when someone reports so many discs failing, you also have to consider other factors. Like climate, like how the discs are being handled, perhaps there's some sort of weird interaction that certain discs have with certain players, just some sort of X factor that's causing this beyond just the discs themselves being "bad", maybe even a bit of confirmation bias like you hear that a particular title is going bad and when you watch your copy it takes a bit of time to read the disc so you just give up, pop it out and decide that it's no good anymore.

[78deluxe]

Originally Posted by wormraper

oh I got em replaced, just like I got my Well Go USA titles replaced, just stating that they needed replacing to begin with.

Ahh...ok.

The DVD boxset I remember the highest rate of failures on was the Hitchock MGM Premiere set. They practically had to give it away at one point.

Never did even buy that one, and I'm a huge fan.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by baheidstu

Nobody (at least not me) is saying you're lying, but looking at the situation it seems very odd that a person would have so many discs fail when others have discs that are fine. I watch a movie every single night, you'd think if I had a failed disc in there I'd have come across it at some point, right? I've been collecting blu-rays for six years now and never had any issue with this. I mean, it's entirely possible tonight I could pop in a disc and find that it's crapped out on me, but who knows.

It's just that when someone reports so many discs failing, you also have to consider other factors. Like climate, like how the discs are being handled, perhaps there's some sort of weird interaction that certain discs have with certain players, just some sort of X factor that's causing this beyond just the discs themselves being "bad", maybe even a bit of confirmation bias like you hear that a particular title is going bad and when you watch your copy it takes a bit of time to read the disc so you just give up, pop it out and decide that it's no good anymore.

my point was that it WASN'T that odd. go back and look on the failed disc mega thread and you'll find a LOT of people like me who have suffered large failured amounts. we've been the unlucky ones who had all the movies that failed ... I've lucked out and not had my copy of speed, AVP, or Basic instinct pass the test (oh, and the Big lebowski, I got a later printing, the first release had people reporting failures). I've been collecting media since Laser disc and have been on the LD, DVD forums etc for 3 decades and believe you me, it's not as uncommon as people think. and it's never homogenous across the board. certain batches are sent to certain areas of the country and they tend to congregate in batches like that...you'll have people who never have a problem and then others who buy batches of films and tV shows from a retailer and have 10 bad discs in a row. that MGM hitchcock failure and the BsG one had LOTS of people up in arms over at DVDtalk back in the day. I actually sold my Hitcock premier set because no one could actually get a working set of the damn thing ....there were entire threads 100-200 pages long just about people reporting their failed universal flippers or the boxsets from MGM and Universal. I was lucky and have never had more than 10 failed discs (outside of anime, which was always due to Bandai's shitty QC) on DVD, but I was lucky. there were people who had 50-100 failed discs and it was NOT uncommon ... always backed up by other people as problem batches and problem sets. The same thing has happened on Blu-ray too, but the consistent bronzing issue that is ALWAYS brought up for these titles is making people nervous. the same failure across multiple studios and multiple years, that's all.

[78deluxe]

Originally Posted by baheidstu

Nobody (at least not me) is saying you're lying, but looking at the situation it seems very odd that a person would have so many discs fail when others have discs that are fine. I watch a movie every single night, you'd think if I had a failed disc in there I'd have come across it at some point, right? I've been collecting blu-rays for six years now and never had any issue with this. I mean, it's entirely possible tonight I could pop in a disc and find that it's crapped out on me, but who knows.

It's just that when someone reports so many discs failing, you also have to consider other factors. Like climate, like how the discs are being handled, perhaps there's some sort of weird interaction that certain discs have with certain players, just some sort of X factor that's causing this beyond just the discs themselves being "bad", maybe even a bit of confirmation bias like you hear that a particular title is going bad and when you watch your copy it takes a bit of time to read the disc so you just give up, pop it out and decide that it's no good anymore.

I'll add the player could be a factor as well.

I've had discs that end up not playing in one player, but will play in another. (I have 6 stand alone players and a couple computer players in the house). I've had issues with a number of discs, but in reality they play in (some) out of the 8 players, but absolutely will not play in some.

The bluray standard isn't all that strict.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by 78deluxe

I'll add the player could be a factor as well.

I've had discs that end up not playing in one player, but will play in another. (I have 6 stand alone players and a couple computer players in the house). I've had issues with a number of discs, but in reality they play in (some) out of the 8 players, but absolutely will not play in some.

The bluray standard isn't all that strict.

I have 5 players. the bronzed and failed discs fail in ALL of them. always at the same point (ish, a few seconds leeway does happen at times)

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by wormraper

my point was that it WASN'T that odd. go back and look on the failed disc mega thread and you'll find a LOT of people like me who have suffered large failured amounts. we've been the unlucky ones who had all the movies that failed ... I've lucked out and not had my copy of speed, AVP, or Basic instinct pass the test (oh, and the Big lebowski, I got a later printing, the first release had people reporting failures). I've been collecting media since Laser disc and have been on the LD, DVD forums etc for 3 decades and believe you me, it's not as uncommon as people think. and it's never homogenous across the board. certain batches are sent to certain areas of the country and they tend to congregate in batches like that...you'll have people who never have a problem and then others who buy batches of films and tV shows from a retailer and have 10 bad discs in a row. that MGM hitchcock failure and the BsG one had LOTS of people up in arms over at DVDtalk back in the day. I actually sold my Hitcock premier set because no one could actually get a working set of the damn thing ....

Will you stop telling everyone to go to the mega Well Go / Criterion failed disc thread? We get it. There are lots of people who report having failed discs, and the thing is that it IS odd for some people to report having so many disc failures and others to have zero failures.

Originally Posted by 78deluxe

I'll add the player could be a factor as well.

I've had discs that end up not playing in one player, but will play in another. (I have 6 stand alone players and a couple computer players in the house). I've had issues with a number of discs, but in reality they play in (some) out of the 8 players, but absolutely will not play in some.

The bluray standard isn't all that strict.

I can attest to this too. I have four players in my house. One of them is a bit glitchy. One time I put in a disc and it said "Disc cannot be read". I took it out, put it back in. Same message. So I tried it on another player, and it worked perfectly. I fiddled around with that first player, turning it off, checking the disc for smudges, scratches, etc. then put it back in and it worked fine. This has happened on occasion since then and I know the "trick" to getting it to work on that player, but the thing is if I didn't have the alternate player to check and I didn't have the inclination to just fiddle around with it, I might have very well figured that the disc was bad, especially if I put another one in that same player and it worked fine.

I'm not downplaying that people do get bad discs. I'm not that naive to think that they don't and can't fail, but it also makes me wonder if someone who has had an experience or two with a bad disc isn't inclined to simply think another disc is bad just because they experience a little problem with it that is caused by some other factor(s).

[mredman]

Like i say i have over 1500 have not to this day found one that couldn't play yet. This seem to be a "sky is falling" exaggeration again. Because it seems like only worm and a few here have this. It could be the player or how they take care of their movies, tv shows. Because i really like another say find this extremely hard to believe when i have over 15000 BD and have not had ANY problem yet at all. Including Lionsgate, paramount ect none is bad on my end.

[dig311dug]

almost 2,000 discs in and not a failed one yet (save for mess ups during the authoring process, i.e. little mermaid edit, xfiles season 9 black crush)

[wormraper]

Ah yes its all me /sarcasm. I guess I need to coat my discs in magic fairy dust (even though each and every disc is confirmed as a failure PRONE disc by multiple other sources and people in these threads. Got it

And my point about the criterion/well go USA thread was that there were literally HUNDREDS of people experiencing the exact same thing. It may not be common to YOU but it can be for many many other people. One thing they all have in common is that they're reported by other people with the EXACT same problems in the EXACT same places

And some of these discs had never even been PLAYED

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[BucketheadPikes]

My experience has been that out of the formats that I've collected, blu-ray has the highest defect/failure rate. I never got into LD though, so I can't speak to that format. I've probably had less than a dozen bad dvd's since dvd's came out. Some bad blus I've had:

Archer S3, Disc1

Frankenweenie

Hang 'Em High

Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Initially got 2 new, bad copies of this, the 3rd is ok)

Thor: The Dark World (Steelbook)

Transformers: Revenge of The Fallen (Big Screen Edition)

[dig311dug]

what are your blu-ray players of choice?

... just wonderin

[mredman]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

My experience has been that out of the formats that I've collected, blu-ray has the highest defect/failure rate. I never got into LD though, so I can't speak to that format. I've probably had less than a dozen bad dvd's since dvd's came out. Some bad blus I've had:

Archer S3, Disc1

Frankenweenie

Hang 'Em High

Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Initially got 2 new, bad copies of this, the 3rd is ok)

Thor: The Dark World (Steelbook)

Transformers: Revenge of The Fallen (Big Screen Edition)

time to check your player. NONE of these are bad on my end i got over 15000 and NONE are bad at least of what i noticed if wanna watch one of them. Have not had a single bad BD as of yet over the years i have colldected them since 2007

[Rory]

I think a lot of this comes down to how you're looking after your discs. Heat and humidity is probably the worst enemy, perhaps also severe cold. Keep them stored vertically, free from dust and at a moderate temperature and low humidity, and things should be fine.

I've got DVDs going back to the late '90s and Blu-rays from 2008. I'd had few if any problems.

I did start having problems this year with discs not playing in my Panasonic BD-30 player from 2008, but I just got a newer player and those same discs then played fine.

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by mredman

time to check your player. NONE of these are bad on my end i got over 15000 and NONE are bad at least of what i noticed if wanna watch one of them. Have not had a single bad BD as of yet over the years i have colldected them since 2007

My players are fine, I've replaced everything that I posted & they all work fine in the same players that the other blus were bad in.

[RodChester]

I had my original Paramount copy of Event Horizon crap out on me. It would freeze up at the part where the one character blows himself out of the airlock. I emailed Paramount and was able to get a replacement. I'll have to check the copies of the other mentioned discs that I have.

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by wormraper

Ah yes its all me /sarcasm. I guess I need to coat my discs in magic fairy dust (even though each and every disc is confirmed as a failure PRONE disc by multiple other sources and people in these threads. Got it

And my point about the criterion/well go USA thread was that there were literally HUNDREDS of people experiencing the exact same thing. It may not be common to YOU but it can be for many many other people. One thing they all have in common is that they're reported by other people with the EXACT same problems in the EXACT same places

And some of these discs had never even been PLAYED

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I really wish you would take a moment to think about the point I'm making here. I'm not saying that certain discs aren't prone to failing in the exact same spots, what I'm saying is that it could take a perfect storm of factors for that to happen. Think of the 1989 movie of Batman, it's not one chemical that causes problems, it's a mixture of certain things together that result in something. In other words, it may very well be that my copy of a certain disc will only start going "bad" if played in a certain player and stored in certain environmental conditions. If these factors are not all present, the disc will not have problems. You may very well store your discs in optimal conditions, but who knows how long those discs were sitting in a truck in the hot Arizona sun while waiting to be unloaded at your local Best Buy, who knows. But just as you try to back your argument up by pointing out that literally HUNDREDS (and is this accurate? Maybe you're prone to exaggeration a bit on all things), there are an equal amount of users who report having no problems at all. You don't find that little bit odd?

[Cortiz]

Although it's a Paramount title distributed by WB, my Friday the 13th Part VIII double feature that came in the box set is freezing up. I've had this set since it first came out a few years ago and I watched Part VIII a few times throughout the years with no issues. About a month ago, I tried to watch it and it started freezing up around the time when the main girl ( forgot her name) is boarding the ship, and her uncle is having an argument with her teacher. I played the disc on 3 different players including the PS3 and it froze on the same spot in all 3 players

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by baheidstu

I really wish you would take a moment to think about the point I'm making here. I'm not saying that certain discs aren't prone to failing in the exact same spots, what I'm saying is that it could take a perfect storm of factors for that to happen. Think of the 1989 movie of Batman, it's not one chemical that causes problems, it's a mixture of certain things together that result in something. In other words, it may very well be that my copy of a certain disc will only start going "bad" if played in a certain player and stored in certain environmental conditions. If these factors are not all present, the disc will not have problems. You may very well store your discs in optimal conditions, but who knows how long those discs were sitting in a truck in the hot Arizona sun while waiting to be unloaded at your local Best Buy, who knows. But just as you try to back your argument up by pointing out that literally HUNDREDS (and is this accurate? Maybe you're prone to exaggeration a bit on all things), there are an equal amount of users who report having no problems at all. You don't find that little bit odd?

My point still stands. Thus format is WAY more problematic for many of us than other formats. Same house, same temp controlled conditions for 20 years and DVD failures were a fraction of the Blu-ray. I still stand by my ascertation and suspicions that Blu-ray is more prone to failure than DVD is. A few people is one thing. Page after page after page people reporting the same thing is a problem..


And you're right. It won't happen to everyone, but its happened enough to enough people to be worrisome

I've been paying very close attention to these type of threads and every six months or so were hearing new reports of new failed titles and other members responding by checking their copies and seeing that theirs have failed too.

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