PlayStation 5 Launches Nov 12 $399/$499 Nov 19 £359/£449

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Gamma_Winstead

Especially without exclusives to draw people in.

I'm sure there will be new versions of Halo, Gears, and Forza ready to go when Scorpio is launched.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

...it's the patches that are the biggest issue, some of them are starting to come close to being as large as the actual games it's ridiculous.

We haven't had a game that has exceeded a single BD yet, and there really shouldn't be a need to at this stage. Heck, PCs are still using DVD. Consoles shouldn't have a need for 100GB discs for a long time.

But even if we did need UHD discs for the next console, there is no guarantee that Sony would enable it for UHD BD playback.

If they are that concerned with pushing their own digital content they can just leave UHD BD playback disabled just like Nintendo did when the disabled DVD playback on the Wii/U.

The huge patches and the games not exceeding 50GB are related. A few games have exceeded 50GB but they made up the difference with patches. Uncharted 4 didn't include any multi-player on the disc because they already filled up the entire disc. Whether or not most games need 50GB is irrelevant: some games will and Sony won't want to limit games to 50GB, especially since Microsoft will obviously support 100GB discs on their next console as they've already upgraded their current system with a capable drive.

Most people are completely unaware of how little the price difference is between a UHD capable drive and regular Blu-ray drive. Therefore Sony was easily able to use the excuse that they were saving money by not including it in the PS4 Pro, even though the real reason was that they wanted to push their own digital content. But if there is already a UHD capable drive in the system then they won't have that excuse.

Nobody sees Nintendo systems as media players so they were easily able to leave out DVD and Blu-ray support. But Playstations are seen as media players so arbitrarily locking out Ultra HD Blu-ray playback on a capable drive would be bad precedent.

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

The huge patches and the games not exceeding 50GB are related. A few games have exceeded 50GB but they made up the difference with patches. Uncharted 4 didn't include any multi-player on the disc because they already filled up the entire disc. Whether or not most games need 50GB is irrelevant: some games will and Sony won't want to limit games to 50GB, especially since Microsoft will obviously support 100GB discs on their next console as they've already upgraded their current system with a capable drive.

Most people are completely unaware of how little the price difference is between a UHD capable drive and regular Blu-ray drive. Therefore Sony was easily able to use the excuse that they were saving money by not including it in the PS4 Pro, even though the real reason was that they wanted to push their own digital content. But if there is already a UHD capable drive in the system then they won't have that excuse.

Nobody sees Nintendo systems as media players so they were easily able to leave out DVD and Blu-ray support. But Playstations are seen as media players so arbitrarily locking out Ultra HD Blu-ray playback on a capable drive would be bad precedent.

They already set a bad precedent by not including a 4K player in their 4K console. I won't put anything past them now.

[dyne]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

There's a 20 million unit gap between the two and it keeps on growing. I don't see how and premium priced console like Scorpio is going to claw back that big of gap.

You never know. If they release something that's only $100 more than a Pro and has much better VR and graphics they have a chance. I've learned to never assume anything with the gaming public.

[Gamma_Winstead]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

I'm sure there will be new versions of Halo, Gears, and Forza ready to go when Scorpio is launched.

Halo is treading water and selling consistently less, Gears is on life support and the poor decision making at The Coalition has all but killed the player base, and Forza is popular, but it's not a system seller. Microsoft needs to invest some of its money into creating new IP's instead of 1 year timed exclusives that just annoy people.

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by dyne

You never know. If they release something that's only $100 more than a Pro and has much better VR and graphics they have a chance. I've learned to never assume anything with the gaming public.

I wonder if they are going to bundle the VR with the console. Seems pointless to have VR be such an important feature of the machine and then not include it as standard.

[dyne]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

I wonder if they are going to bundle the VR with the console. Seems pointless to have VR be such an important feature of the machine and then not include it as standard.

That would price it out of most people's reach. It would be the 3DO all over again.

[jsteinhauer]

Originally Posted by Gamma_Winstead

Microsoft needs to invest some of its money into creating new IP's instead of 1 year timed exclusives that just annoy people.

It's because of this...the fact that Sony has TLoU2, GOW and other exclusives we know about coming down the pipe that will allow PS4 to hold its own in the console realm, even if Scorpio gets hot. PS may lose some share, but it won't be enough to lose its lead role in the market before the next iteration of PS hardware is launched.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by jsteinhauer

It's because of this...the fact that Sony has TLoU2, GOW and other exclusives we know about coming down the pipe that will allow PS4 to hold its own in the console realm, even if Scorpio gets hot. PS may lose some share, but it won't be enough to lose its lead role in the market before the next iteration of PS hardware is launched.

Scorpio will not be cheap, I don't care what MS is saying. It's either going to be A.) Expensive or B.) Not as powerful as they are bragging about. Once Scorpio drops, Sony will drop the Pro to 299.99 and the PS4 Slim to 199.99 and that'll be all she wrote.

MS will never be the market leader for one simple reason. Xbox as a brand does not have the global appeal that PlayStation does and as long as Sony doesn't become completely stupid again like they were with PS3, they will always be the market leader.

[Chris60119]

Its only been 5 years since the release of the PS4. Would you be ready to buy another console already? I don't think I would. The article has the same guy who predicted the the PS4 Slim and Pro saying its possible to see the PS5 2nd half of next year. That means it would be shown off at 2018 E3.

http://www.techspot.com/news/69142-c...next-year.html

For all its improvements over the PlayStation 4, the PlayStation 4 Pro hasn’t exactly set the gaming world on fire. Things are looking even more troubling for Sony, after recent specs and early previews revealed Microsoft’s own mid-gen refresh, the Scorpio, could be closer to an entirely new console generation, and certainly quite a jump over the PS4 Pro. So, could Sony fight back with an early release of the PlayStation 5? That’s what one analyst thinks.

Even though it’s only been less than 5 years since the launch of the PlayStation 4, Macquarie Capital Securities analyst Damian Thong believes the PlayStation 5 will be here sometime during the second half of next year. It may sound like an outlandish claim, but this is the same person who correctly predicted both the PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro.

Thong never offered any predictions about the console other than its release date. A lot can change in 18 months, but a machine with a focus on 4K graphics and high framerates, and one that’s more powerful than Scorpio seems like a given. And with the PlayStation 4 Pro having just been released in November, backward compatibility would likely be a feature of the PS5.

All of this is, of course, speculation, but there seems to be an excitement around Scorpio that was never present during the run up to the PlayStation 4 Pro's launch. Sony is reported to have sold almost twice as many PS4s compared to the Xbox One since the consoles were released, but fear that Scorpio will give Microsoft the upper hand in the console wars could encourage Sony to expedite the PS5’s arrival.

[BozQ]

I don't think so.
Xbox Scorpio may be powerful, but it's also going to be very expensive. And if few people are going to buy it, then few developers would want to optimize their games for it too.

The PlayStation 4 and PS4 Pro has a huge user base, and there's still plenty of life in it.

The power of the console don't necessarily equal its success. The PlayStation 2 is arguably the weakest of its generation, but the Dreamcast, GameCube and the Xbox was nowhere near the success that PS2 enjoyed.

In short, no. I don't think we'll see a PlayStation 5 next year.

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[Maxflier]

Not gonna happen.

[DJR662]

Way too early IMO.

[Steelmaker]

To quote the great Steven Tyler...

"DREAM ON!! DREAM ON!! DREAM ON!! DREAM ON!!

[R3P0]

Forum searching is your friend, same topic was posted a year ago

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=270734 can a mod please merge this

[Chris60119]

I just saw the article posted today on yahoo news..

[Spidey Blu]

It's way too soon, lol. I just got my PS4 last year, so even if the 5 is pretty damn impressive I probably won't upgrade right away like I always do.

[MOONPHASE]

So basically if true, by the time PS5 comes out, I will be getting PS4. I still play on PS3 and Vita.

[jsteinhauer]

The article is worthless, just some guy's clickbait headline; it's not news. It just dawned on him that Scorpio is coming, which obviously leads to PS5 launched in 2018. I'd sooner lock the tread than merge it with anything of substance.

[Zivouhr]

I just played a few PS3 games the other day just for the fun of it, and use the PS3 for all of my blu rays and even Dvds. The PS4 is my main gaming console since 2013, and 2018 is not far fetched regarding a new PS5 console from Sony to match or exceed Scorpio's advanced chess move in the game of console wars.

In the new console, I would like to see a complete, undeniable visual improvement to the point that no game has low res textures from foreground to background. Meaning at no point in time when moving closer to the textures, do they pop in and go from blurry to sharp. It has to be a smooth transition so the clarity of the texture is apparent even from further away, within reason.

Playing Ghost Recon Wildlands, while much of the game looks great even from far away, the one very sore spot in the visuals would be the dotted white lines and double yellow lines on the common roads. Up close, they're fine, but about 20 feet or more in the distance, they blur out to a muddy mess and it looks awful to be blunt.

I know games can overcome that in today's day, but for open world games, it's a bigger challenge to have everything look amazing all of the time. Two recent examples that nearly mastered it would include Uncharted 4's more open maps, and Star Wars Battlefront 2015's open maps. The textures far and up close in both games are impressive.

But too many other PS4 games, while they look generally great in 1080p, can't match that level of clarity in the textures on PS4, all of the time no matter what. If the PS5 could do that, that's one more step to photo realism and artistic clarity.

PS5 would have 4K graphics, and higher processing power to accomplish the current limitations of the PS4.

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To be convinced to buy a PS5, this is closer to what I would expect from the fidelity and clarity of the graphics. Kingsglaive Final Fantasy XV visuals, in the game play itself.

Otherwise, it's too early IMO to release a PS5. But should Sony try to match every move Microsoft makes, trying to improve on MS's attempts at each turn?